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Kramit
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I have a dog named Jemima. I like walks in the park and I like to read the sports lift out on Sundays with a good cup of tea!
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The Bastard
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''CAN U PROVIDE FOR ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE OF JESUS?... CAN U PROVIDE ME WITH THE LOCATION OF HIS GRAVE? CAN U PROVIDE ME WITHA STRAND OF HIS DNA? NO, NO , AND NO.... THEREFORE HE DOESNT EXIST... '' not to many people that lived 2004 years ago still have birth certificates and hair layin around guy , duke was born in a manger not general hospital, hope u find him sum day
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MIKELABZ
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WELL UNLESS U CAN PROVIDE THOSE ARTICLES THEN THERES NO WAY TO PROVE THAT THEAT PERSON EXISTED, EXISTS, OR EVER WILL EXIST.
I'D RATHER GO ON THE SCIENCE OF REALITY THEN THE LITERATURE OF THE UNREAL.
I'D RATHER GO ON THE SCIENCE OF REALITY THEN THE LITERATURE OF THE UNREAL.
Cold Truth
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^NOTE: THIS IS ASSUMING THAT SUCH A PERSON ACTUALLY EXISTED. THIS SO CALLED MIRACLE MAN SUPPOSEDLY PERFORMED ACTS OF THE SUPERNATURAL...WALKING ON WATER, CURING THE LEPROSY WITH HIS HANDS.... YET HE COULDNT EVEN CURE HIS OWN DEATH WOUNDS WHILE HE SAT ON THE CROSS... LOL... HOW CONTRADICTORY CAN YOU GET... DO YA RESEARCH FAM... THE BIBLE IS REALLY NOT ALL THAT ITS CRACK OUT TO BE... I BET U'D LIVE A MUCH MORE FULFILLING LIFE WITHOUT ONE.
that would have been self defeating- he COULD have saved himself had he chose to ("do you not know that i could call several legions of angels?" )but there was great purpose in his suffering and dying FOR US_ FOR YOU. THAT WAS THE POINT. you dont want to believe that, thats fine.... but to call that contradictory..... it doesnt hold any water. and maybe you should brush up on your own research there...
because He DIDNT DIE TWICE. he died ONCE, DESCENDED into hell itself and "freed the captives" (i need to do a lil research on that one in particular) rose, and ASCENDED into heaven. a lot of your arguments seem to be misinformed and to tell us to do our research, well i know i have and do. i'm not always dead on.... but i have a fair knowledge of my this, and half of what you have thrown out there has been completely bogus.... along with a lot of personal opinions that have nothing to do with actual facts.
no disrespect, but dont tell me "to do my research" when that many of your arguments are easily disputed with the research i have already done....... and your personal thoughts are fine- you are entitled to them, obviously as i am to mine- but you cant really formulate a solid argument based oon them alone. i know i cant.
that would have been self defeating- he COULD have saved himself had he chose to ("do you not know that i could call several legions of angels?" )but there was great purpose in his suffering and dying FOR US_ FOR YOU. THAT WAS THE POINT. you dont want to believe that, thats fine.... but to call that contradictory..... it doesnt hold any water. and maybe you should brush up on your own research there...
because He DIDNT DIE TWICE. he died ONCE, DESCENDED into hell itself and "freed the captives" (i need to do a lil research on that one in particular) rose, and ASCENDED into heaven. a lot of your arguments seem to be misinformed and to tell us to do our research, well i know i have and do. i'm not always dead on.... but i have a fair knowledge of my this, and half of what you have thrown out there has been completely bogus.... along with a lot of personal opinions that have nothing to do with actual facts.
no disrespect, but dont tell me "to do my research" when that many of your arguments are easily disputed with the research i have already done....... and your personal thoughts are fine- you are entitled to them, obviously as i am to mine- but you cant really formulate a solid argument based oon them alone. i know i cant.
lol.. I only skimmed some of the posts.. But I must shoot holes in some ignorance..
"NOBODY EVEN KNOWS IF JESUS EVEN EXISTED"
Wrong. Its historical fact. The subject in question with many is whether or not he was the son of God.
"A REAL MAN COULD NEVER BE SUPPORTED ON A CROSS BY NAILS IN HIS HANDS THE WEIGHT OF HIS BODY ALONE WOULD RIP HIS HANDS RIGHT THRU THE NAIL"
Wrong again, as someone stated in another post, it was a common punishment in those days.
"JUST DONT MAKE SENSE TO ACT LIKE THERES SOMEBODY HIGHER THEN MYSELF THATS LIKE ADMITTING DEFEAT EARLY BEFORE YOU EVEN HAD THE MATCH".
It aint a match.. But heres an analogy for you: There will never be a match between you & michael jordan.. But trust, he'll wreck you on the court.
Admit it or not. Lots of regular people are higher than you in different aspects.. Let alone the creator of the heavens and earth.
You should slow down. You claim to have respect for peoples faith, then you insult them.
"NOBODY EVEN KNOWS IF JESUS EVEN EXISTED"
Wrong. Its historical fact. The subject in question with many is whether or not he was the son of God.
"A REAL MAN COULD NEVER BE SUPPORTED ON A CROSS BY NAILS IN HIS HANDS THE WEIGHT OF HIS BODY ALONE WOULD RIP HIS HANDS RIGHT THRU THE NAIL"
Wrong again, as someone stated in another post, it was a common punishment in those days.
"JUST DONT MAKE SENSE TO ACT LIKE THERES SOMEBODY HIGHER THEN MYSELF THATS LIKE ADMITTING DEFEAT EARLY BEFORE YOU EVEN HAD THE MATCH".
It aint a match.. But heres an analogy for you: There will never be a match between you & michael jordan.. But trust, he'll wreck you on the court.
Admit it or not. Lots of regular people are higher than you in different aspects.. Let alone the creator of the heavens and earth.
You should slow down. You claim to have respect for peoples faith, then you insult them.
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hey, I say this:
If you have a belief,,,Great!
If you believe in God/Allah/ Budda....Cool!
If ya an Atheist,,,More power too ya!
Respect my beliefs and I'll respect yours because I am an "open minded" person and don't believe in religion, BUT don't exactly rule it out either!
If you have a belief,,,Great!
If you believe in God/Allah/ Budda....Cool!
If ya an Atheist,,,More power too ya!
Respect my beliefs and I'll respect yours because I am an "open minded" person and don't believe in religion, BUT don't exactly rule it out either!
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I agree with MIKELABZ on most of the things he said and I also agree with some of the other opinions as well ... religion is just something to follow in life so you have direction and you know right from wrong (MORALS) .... the basics like don't robb, kill, etc. When you grow up your forced a religion so how do you know whats right? You don't. It just depends on what culture and part of the world you grow up in and around. You follow what your family believed in and so on and so forth. Religion is very general. There are no true facts ... the bible is the game of telephone ...... A story told from generation to generation, twisted & translated into different versions.
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I say prove it ..... most people can't, they just have faith .... I say there there holding on to a dream, hope ..... a wish
Cold Truth
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what, specifically, would you like to see proven?
because i can only share MY experiences, and information, but i dont trust everything i hear or read because there is always the issue of spin.
i know i have had very real experiences. i have also seen things in the church that were WRONG, period- in every sense of the word.
i have no issue with disagreeing and not seeing it my way, but to throw out things that arent even correct and try and argue against my beliefs, i do take issue with that.
because i can only share MY experiences, and information, but i dont trust everything i hear or read because there is always the issue of spin.
i know i have had very real experiences. i have also seen things in the church that were WRONG, period- in every sense of the word.
i have no issue with disagreeing and not seeing it my way, but to throw out things that arent even correct and try and argue against my beliefs, i do take issue with that.
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RhymnRzn
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Proof is in the fact that God himself has given all mankind the testimony of his Son, the Holy Bible, which is with us today, only because certain harmless people did rather tell the truth about God instead of lying, and testified of what God did/does, even at the cost of death, becoming martyrs: and this proof the Bible is made holy by the innocent blood. God in Christ is gonna come again, and his saints with em, in truth, in peace, in mercy, and in just judgement against the wickedness and the wrath of men: there shall be no escpape.
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MIKELABZ
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LOL... YALL CATS ARE AMAZING. HOW CAN U BE SO NAIVE IN THE FACE OF THE IMPENDING TRUTH... YOU ARE POW'S IN A WORLD OF PITFALLS... ITS OK U GUYS I FEEL YOUR PAIN AND CONFUSION.. I USED TO BE JUST LIKE YOU... IGNORANT OF MY OWN SELF DUE TO OVEREMPHASIZING THE LIFE OF A MAN WHO LIVED AGES BEFORE MY BIRTH...
SHYT I EVEN WENT AS FAR AS TO CALL MYSELF JESUS... LOFL... I WAS THE BIGGEST WANNABEE EVER... I EVEN GREW OUT MY HAIR AND HAD DREADLOCKS CAUSE I WANTED TO BE A PART OF THE ETHIOPIAN COPTIC CHURCH (THE BIRTH OF CHRISTAIN WORSHIP)...BLAH BLAH BLAH...
ALL I GOT FROM IT WAS LIFE IS FULL OF PRETENDERS WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT NOT BEING SOMEBODY ELSE... WHEN THE ONLY PERSON THEY NEED TO BE IS THEMSELVES.
I ATTRIBUTE THE ABOVE SYNOPSIS TO MISINFORMATION AND MISEDUCATION... THE ONLY INFORMATION THATS WORTH PURSUING IS THE INFORMATION THAT HASNT BEEN PURSUED... ALL THE REST IS OUTDATED... AND THERFORE IS USELESS.
ATTRIBUTE THAT LAST PHRASE TO THE BIBLE ON UP TO YOUR MATH TEXT BOOKS...
PUT IT LIKE THIS... WOULD U RATHER FUCK A PUSSY THAT WAS BORN IN 1990 OR A PUSSY THAT WAS BORN IN 84? WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THE PUSSY FROM 90 HAS BEEN FUCKED BEFORE... AND WUT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THE PUSSY FROM 84 HAS BEEN FUCKED BEFORE?
OF COURSE U'D TAKE THE NEWER PUSSY.
THE BIBLE IS OLD NEWS... IT WORKED BACK IN THE DAY.. IT IS NOW HOPELESSLY OUTDATED...
SO I ASK YOU THIS...WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THE BIBLE HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH?
GREAT.
IN FACT NONE OF WHAT U READ IN TODAY'S BIBLE WAS FROM THE ORIGINAL BIBLE... NOT ONE BIT...LOL... FOR ALL YOU KNOW THE BIBLE COULD HAVE BEEN COMPLIED STORIES ARCHIVED OVER TIME AND PUT TOGETHER INTO ONE TEXT... IN THEORY I COULD WRITE A BIBLE OF MY OWN AND MASS PRODUCE IT, SELL IT, AND THEREFORE GET A GATHERING OF MY OWN... THEN A 1000 YEARS AFTER I DIE THERE WOULD BE ACCOUNTS OF A GREAT MAN WHO WROTE A TEXT THAT WAS WIDELY ACCEPTED AND CHANGED THE WORLD...
THIS IS HOW THE BIBLE WORKS... EACH GENERATION AFTER THE ORIGINAL FOLLOWER BASE GROWS MORE AN MORE IGNORANT OF THE PREVIOUS GENERATIONS BELEIFS... UNTIL ALL THE IDEALS OF THE ORIGINAL BASIS IS COMPLETELY CHANGED TO FIT THE MODERN DAY SYNOPSIS...
SO BASICALLY THE INFORMATION YOU DIGEST IN THAT BIBLE HAS BEEN WATERED DOWN FROM ITS ORIGINAL TEACHINGS...
IF YOU THINK THIS IS KNOCKING I TAKE IT THAT YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO DONT LIKE TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT THEMSELVES.. TAKE IT AS YOU WILL.
SHYT I EVEN WENT AS FAR AS TO CALL MYSELF JESUS... LOFL... I WAS THE BIGGEST WANNABEE EVER... I EVEN GREW OUT MY HAIR AND HAD DREADLOCKS CAUSE I WANTED TO BE A PART OF THE ETHIOPIAN COPTIC CHURCH (THE BIRTH OF CHRISTAIN WORSHIP)...BLAH BLAH BLAH...
ALL I GOT FROM IT WAS LIFE IS FULL OF PRETENDERS WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT NOT BEING SOMEBODY ELSE... WHEN THE ONLY PERSON THEY NEED TO BE IS THEMSELVES.
I ATTRIBUTE THE ABOVE SYNOPSIS TO MISINFORMATION AND MISEDUCATION... THE ONLY INFORMATION THATS WORTH PURSUING IS THE INFORMATION THAT HASNT BEEN PURSUED... ALL THE REST IS OUTDATED... AND THERFORE IS USELESS.
ATTRIBUTE THAT LAST PHRASE TO THE BIBLE ON UP TO YOUR MATH TEXT BOOKS...
PUT IT LIKE THIS... WOULD U RATHER FUCK A PUSSY THAT WAS BORN IN 1990 OR A PUSSY THAT WAS BORN IN 84? WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THE PUSSY FROM 90 HAS BEEN FUCKED BEFORE... AND WUT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THE PUSSY FROM 84 HAS BEEN FUCKED BEFORE?
OF COURSE U'D TAKE THE NEWER PUSSY.
THE BIBLE IS OLD NEWS... IT WORKED BACK IN THE DAY.. IT IS NOW HOPELESSLY OUTDATED...
SO I ASK YOU THIS...WHAT ARE THE CHANCES THAT THE BIBLE HAS BEEN TAMPERED WITH?
GREAT.
IN FACT NONE OF WHAT U READ IN TODAY'S BIBLE WAS FROM THE ORIGINAL BIBLE... NOT ONE BIT...LOL... FOR ALL YOU KNOW THE BIBLE COULD HAVE BEEN COMPLIED STORIES ARCHIVED OVER TIME AND PUT TOGETHER INTO ONE TEXT... IN THEORY I COULD WRITE A BIBLE OF MY OWN AND MASS PRODUCE IT, SELL IT, AND THEREFORE GET A GATHERING OF MY OWN... THEN A 1000 YEARS AFTER I DIE THERE WOULD BE ACCOUNTS OF A GREAT MAN WHO WROTE A TEXT THAT WAS WIDELY ACCEPTED AND CHANGED THE WORLD...
THIS IS HOW THE BIBLE WORKS... EACH GENERATION AFTER THE ORIGINAL FOLLOWER BASE GROWS MORE AN MORE IGNORANT OF THE PREVIOUS GENERATIONS BELEIFS... UNTIL ALL THE IDEALS OF THE ORIGINAL BASIS IS COMPLETELY CHANGED TO FIT THE MODERN DAY SYNOPSIS...
SO BASICALLY THE INFORMATION YOU DIGEST IN THAT BIBLE HAS BEEN WATERED DOWN FROM ITS ORIGINAL TEACHINGS...
IF YOU THINK THIS IS KNOCKING I TAKE IT THAT YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO DONT LIKE TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT THEMSELVES.. TAKE IT AS YOU WILL.
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MIKELABZ
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YOUR RIGHT I FIND HIM IN ME. CAUSE HIM IS ME.
Cold Truth
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just out of curiosity.....
itmakes sense when believers of any religion are trying to convert someone, (which none of us are doing) but what is the purpose of you trying so friggin hard to disprove our beliefs? you havent merley given your likes/dislikes of religion- you have sat here and tried to show us all how wrong we are for believing... what is the purpose of that?
itmakes sense when believers of any religion are trying to convert someone, (which none of us are doing) but what is the purpose of you trying so friggin hard to disprove our beliefs? you havent merley given your likes/dislikes of religion- you have sat here and tried to show us all how wrong we are for believing... what is the purpose of that?
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That movie blames the whole death of jesus on the jews and portrays the jews in a bad light. Knowing that Gibson's dad has the audacity to deny that the holocaust ever happened i have to believe that good old Mel can't be too different. That movie is antisemetic and Mel doesn't seem to realize that without Jesus's death, there is no Christianity. So even if the Jews did kill him, and i'm not saying they didn't, they shouldn't be held in such an unfavorable light.
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MIKELABZ
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COLD:
I HAVENT SAID ANYBODY IS RIGHT OR WRONG. YOU CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION ON YOUR OWN. I MERELY STATED THE FACTS AND SAT BACK TO WATCH IT GROW FROM THERE.
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NOPE YOUR WRONG I'M NOT JESUS I'M MIKE FROM PHILLY.
I HAVENT SAID ANYBODY IS RIGHT OR WRONG. YOU CAME TO THAT CONCLUSION ON YOUR OWN. I MERELY STATED THE FACTS AND SAT BACK TO WATCH IT GROW FROM THERE.
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NOPE YOUR WRONG I'M NOT JESUS I'M MIKE FROM PHILLY.
Cold Truth
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sam, as far as the film being antisematic, have you seen the movie yet?
mel recognizes the importance of the death, because HE took blame for it himself, just like every believer does. the film is (for the most part) the way the bible portrays the events.
mel recognizes the importance of the death, because HE took blame for it himself, just like every believer does. the film is (for the most part) the way the bible portrays the events.
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The Bastard
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'' I MERELY STATED THE FACTS AND SAT BACK TO WATCH IT GROW FROM THERE.'' actually nothing you said was true it was pretty much all assumptions and things that totally contradict historians, ill believe the historians
^word. Several of the things you claim are facts.. Any historian, even the atheists, would say are wrong. Science doesnt dispute the fact that Jesus lived and walked the earth, and died on the cross. Thats history son. You can claim to never admit that anyone is 'higher' than you.. But the way you spew ignorance.. The looong typed out replies on here show that you aint very bright. I don't say this based on any of your beliefs by the way. Just your lack of knowledge on documented events recognized by science & history..
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