Passion of Christ
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ummmmmmm the bible is in english because we read english here. it was translated. king james has nothing to do with the BIBLE itself.
the old testament was written in the hebrew language and the new testament in the greek language. it wasnt written in english... its called... TRANSLATION.
had nothing to do with the christian church- constantine founded the catholic church because of as vivion he had of a cross, and was told to conquer in that name.....and many of its traditions are rooted in pagan cults... . this had nothing to do with christianity.
show me how the old testament was derived from the book of the dead. i want to see this.
the old testament was written in the hebrew language and the new testament in the greek language. it wasnt written in english... its called... TRANSLATION.
had nothing to do with the christian church- constantine founded the catholic church because of as vivion he had of a cross, and was told to conquer in that name.....and many of its traditions are rooted in pagan cults... . this had nothing to do with christianity.
show me how the old testament was derived from the book of the dead. i want to see this.
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The Bastard
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but straight up anyone who wants to throw dirt on this movie can suck on deez
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MIKELABZ
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I GOTS NUTHIN BUT RESPECT... BUT TRUTH IS THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM AS JUST AS EASY AS IT IS FOR ME TO ACT LIKE THIS THREAD DONT EXIST ITS JUST AS EASY FOR ME TO DECIDE IT DOES EXIST AND MAKE THE APPROPIATE STATEMENT FOR WHEN I SEE SOMETHING IN THE MIX THAT HAPPENS TO BE A LITTLE OFF...
IF YOU CANT PROVIDE THE RESOURCES TO SUPPORT YOUR FACTS THEN YOUR CLAIM BECOMES IRRELEVANT... CAN U PROVIDE FOR ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE OF JESUS?... CAN U PROVIDE ME WITH THE LOCATION OF HIS GRAVE? CAN U PROVIDE ME WITHA STRAND OF HIS DNA? NO, NO , AND NO.... THEREFORE HE DOESNT EXIST... HE IS A FICTITOUS CHARACTER AIMED AT THE MASSES TO CAUSE A SPLIT IN THE SOLIDITY OF THE WORLD IN ORDER FOR US TO FIGHT OVER WUT IS TRUE AND WUT IS NOT SO THAT THOSE WHO ARE IN POWER REMAIN IN POWER AND THOSE TAHT ARE TO FEEBLE TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES GET TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT.
SO IM NOT KNOCKING ANYBODY.. IM KNOCKING A THOUSAND YEAR OLD FAIRY TALE THAT HAS BEEN MADE INTO A COUNTLESS NUMBER OF CARTOONS, PICTURE BOOKS, AND NOW A REAL LIFE MOVIE... ITS ASHAME REALLY, THAT PEOPLE ARE BORN INTO SUCH THINGS BELEIVING THEY ARE MEANT TO SUFFER...LOL....IF I WANTED TO SUFFER FOR SOMETHING I WOULD RATHER IT BE FOR SOMETHING I DID RATHER THAN SOMETHING SOME GUY DID A 'G' AGO...
SAY JESUS WAS A REAL PERSON... WHY WOULD U WILLINGLY ADMIT TO YOURSELF THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU... YOU SHOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN YOUR LIFE,,, FUCK GOD.... FUCK JESUS.... FUCK BUDDHA...FUCK MOHAMMED... FUCK ALL THEM BASTARDS THEY JUST STEAL YOUR GLORY TAHT IS ENTITLED TO YOU AND NOBODY ELSE...
SO THERE.
IF YOU CANT PROVIDE THE RESOURCES TO SUPPORT YOUR FACTS THEN YOUR CLAIM BECOMES IRRELEVANT... CAN U PROVIDE FOR ME THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE OF JESUS?... CAN U PROVIDE ME WITH THE LOCATION OF HIS GRAVE? CAN U PROVIDE ME WITHA STRAND OF HIS DNA? NO, NO , AND NO.... THEREFORE HE DOESNT EXIST... HE IS A FICTITOUS CHARACTER AIMED AT THE MASSES TO CAUSE A SPLIT IN THE SOLIDITY OF THE WORLD IN ORDER FOR US TO FIGHT OVER WUT IS TRUE AND WUT IS NOT SO THAT THOSE WHO ARE IN POWER REMAIN IN POWER AND THOSE TAHT ARE TO FEEBLE TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES GET TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT.
SO IM NOT KNOCKING ANYBODY.. IM KNOCKING A THOUSAND YEAR OLD FAIRY TALE THAT HAS BEEN MADE INTO A COUNTLESS NUMBER OF CARTOONS, PICTURE BOOKS, AND NOW A REAL LIFE MOVIE... ITS ASHAME REALLY, THAT PEOPLE ARE BORN INTO SUCH THINGS BELEIVING THEY ARE MEANT TO SUFFER...LOL....IF I WANTED TO SUFFER FOR SOMETHING I WOULD RATHER IT BE FOR SOMETHING I DID RATHER THAN SOMETHING SOME GUY DID A 'G' AGO...
SAY JESUS WAS A REAL PERSON... WHY WOULD U WILLINGLY ADMIT TO YOURSELF THAT SOMEBODY ELSE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU... YOU SHOULD BE THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON IN YOUR LIFE,,, FUCK GOD.... FUCK JESUS.... FUCK BUDDHA...FUCK MOHAMMED... FUCK ALL THEM BASTARDS THEY JUST STEAL YOUR GLORY TAHT IS ENTITLED TO YOU AND NOBODY ELSE...
SO THERE.
mike
I respect your opionion
but alot of the stuff your saying like (why is the bible in engish) and (no man could be supported on a cross) are historical facts that were proven a long time ago.
Thats not even the point. It comes down to this, every man on this earth has to belive in something. Rather its jesus, Mummhand,budda. OR if you CHoose not to belive in any religion. Their is something that has to make you wake up in the moring.
I choose to belive in the teachings in jesus christ. No amount of historcal evidence can change that. I dont care if they say jesus, mary,paul,etc..never existed. In my heart i know the truth.
Each man has to come to that decsion on his own
no amount of arguing will change that
when it comes down to it we will all find out the truth when we die.
till then
jesus saves
I respect your opionion
but alot of the stuff your saying like (why is the bible in engish) and (no man could be supported on a cross) are historical facts that were proven a long time ago.
Thats not even the point. It comes down to this, every man on this earth has to belive in something. Rather its jesus, Mummhand,budda. OR if you CHoose not to belive in any religion. Their is something that has to make you wake up in the moring.
I choose to belive in the teachings in jesus christ. No amount of historcal evidence can change that. I dont care if they say jesus, mary,paul,etc..never existed. In my heart i know the truth.
Each man has to come to that decsion on his own
no amount of arguing will change that
when it comes down to it we will all find out the truth when we die.
till then
jesus saves
Manji
ILLIEN
ill o.g.
My favorite quote of this thread.
As far as religion goes people say that it's here to bind man, but I think the world would be fucked if we didn't have it. Think what would happen if man had no boundaries, if man were restricted only by his/her greed and desire. No matter how intelligent we are we're still pretty primative.
Besides, for some people their faith is all they have.
tricky spinz
Dead Man Walkin
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 12
so from what i can see your all recommending it. i mean, gibson is great as an actor, but i don't think i have ever seen something he's produced, or if i did i didn't know it. i'm not particularly or at all religious, do you think its still worth a watch despite my lack of faith? it looks very dramatic, and interresting, and its been said to be kinda controversial, so that always makes it interesting.
tricky spinz
Dead Man Walkin
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 12
aight, i'll be sure to do that. thanks for the push classic. i prolly woulda gone to see it anyway, but positive viewer feedback always helps too.
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Kramit
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Greetings worthy citizens!
I couldnt agree more with vitaminman. And on the point about 'not being there at the time': no one from the present or even 100 years after his crucifiction can truthfully and knowingly say exactly what events took place, and who was involved, I don't care who u are.
When the day comes when people can travel back in time to the days when Jesus was alive, and bring back the truth to the present to tell us how it really was, then I think everything else is heresay and rumours.
Since I was old enough to care about issues relating to religion I have seen the Bible and any other religous writings almost as a game of chinese whispers that has been reorded for centuries, only, every single interpretation has been recorded on paper. Although I do believe Jesus did exist and there was a crucifiction.
But please dont take this the wrong way, I'm just putting in my 2 cents, I'm not even about to start arguing over this ish. If people want to believe then I think they should believe. If people don't believe, I think thats fine too.
I believe in living a good life, respecting people that respect u, giving when u can and being truthful to yourself, and also being very open minded. And speaking of movies, I quote Dogma - 'religion is a good idea', but for me thats where it ends.
Peace
Kramit
I couldnt agree more with vitaminman. And on the point about 'not being there at the time': no one from the present or even 100 years after his crucifiction can truthfully and knowingly say exactly what events took place, and who was involved, I don't care who u are.
When the day comes when people can travel back in time to the days when Jesus was alive, and bring back the truth to the present to tell us how it really was, then I think everything else is heresay and rumours.
Since I was old enough to care about issues relating to religion I have seen the Bible and any other religous writings almost as a game of chinese whispers that has been reorded for centuries, only, every single interpretation has been recorded on paper. Although I do believe Jesus did exist and there was a crucifiction.
But please dont take this the wrong way, I'm just putting in my 2 cents, I'm not even about to start arguing over this ish. If people want to believe then I think they should believe. If people don't believe, I think thats fine too.
I believe in living a good life, respecting people that respect u, giving when u can and being truthful to yourself, and also being very open minded. And speaking of movies, I quote Dogma - 'religion is a good idea', but for me thats where it ends.
Peace
Kramit
SupaStar
ILLIEN
ill o.g.
SEEING THAT MIKELABS FEELS HIS OPINION IS STRONG ENOUGH THAT HE HAS TO ALL CAPS IT, LET ME REPLY IN ALL CAPS ALSO.
I AM SORRY THAT YOU DONT BELIEVE AND YOU RELY ON FACTS, STUFF YOU FIND ON THE NET TO PROVE YOUR DISBELIEF. FIRST LET ME CORRECT YOU ABOUT THE ROMANS, THEY WERE THE FIRST PROVEN ENEMIES OF THE CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS DIED AT THE HANDS OF THE ROMANS EFFORT TO ABOLISH CHRISTIANITY AND IT WAS THIS FIGHT THAT KEPT THE STORIES OF THE BIBLE ALIVE FOR THIS GENERATION TO BEAR WITNESS TO, THOUGH MANY OF THE PAGES HAVE BEEN LOST OVER TIME. YOU CLAIM THERE AREN'T ANY EVIDENCE OF BIBLE STORIES, BULL, THERE ARE TONS EVEN RECENTLY LOST PAGES OF THE BIBLE HAVE BEEN FOUND BY ARCHAELOGISTS, AND THE SPOT WHERE CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED IS VERY WELL PRESERVED AND IS A WIDELY VISITED SHRINE AND THE STORY OF WHEN GOD PARTED THE RED SEA WAS PROVEN BY COMPLEX SCIENTIFIC CALCULATIONS OF THE OCEAN BED OF THE RED SEA IF YOU WANT ME TO GO ON I WILL. NEXT, GOD DIDN'T ASK US TO BELIEVE, WRITE THE BIBLE, OR BUILD BUILDINGS PROCLAIMING HIS EXISTENCE, HE IS OMNIPOTENT MEANING HE GAVE US THE FREE WILL TO LIVE OUR LIVES AS SINNERS OR TRUE BELIEVERS, SO IF YOU CHOSE NOT TO BELIEVE THEN DONT THAT IS YOUR CHOICE, BUT DO NOT RECRUIT OR SHOW PROOFS OF YOUR DISBELIEF, ALL WE NEED TO KNOW IS WHETHER YOU ARE OR YOUR NOT.
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I BELIEVE AND HAVE BELIEVING ALL MY LIFE, AND I AM GREATFUL FOR ALL THAT I WAS GIVEN.....
KRZY K.
ABOUT THE MOVIE, I GOT MIXED EMOTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT I FEEL MEL WAS INNOCENT IN HIS WISHES TO MAKE THIS MOVIE AND I FEEL THAT IT DESERVERS ITS ATTENTIONS, I'LL POST MORE WHEN I SEE IT.
I AM SORRY THAT YOU DONT BELIEVE AND YOU RELY ON FACTS, STUFF YOU FIND ON THE NET TO PROVE YOUR DISBELIEF. FIRST LET ME CORRECT YOU ABOUT THE ROMANS, THEY WERE THE FIRST PROVEN ENEMIES OF THE CHRISTIAN FELLOWSHIP, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS DIED AT THE HANDS OF THE ROMANS EFFORT TO ABOLISH CHRISTIANITY AND IT WAS THIS FIGHT THAT KEPT THE STORIES OF THE BIBLE ALIVE FOR THIS GENERATION TO BEAR WITNESS TO, THOUGH MANY OF THE PAGES HAVE BEEN LOST OVER TIME. YOU CLAIM THERE AREN'T ANY EVIDENCE OF BIBLE STORIES, BULL, THERE ARE TONS EVEN RECENTLY LOST PAGES OF THE BIBLE HAVE BEEN FOUND BY ARCHAELOGISTS, AND THE SPOT WHERE CHRIST WAS CRUCIFIED IS VERY WELL PRESERVED AND IS A WIDELY VISITED SHRINE AND THE STORY OF WHEN GOD PARTED THE RED SEA WAS PROVEN BY COMPLEX SCIENTIFIC CALCULATIONS OF THE OCEAN BED OF THE RED SEA IF YOU WANT ME TO GO ON I WILL. NEXT, GOD DIDN'T ASK US TO BELIEVE, WRITE THE BIBLE, OR BUILD BUILDINGS PROCLAIMING HIS EXISTENCE, HE IS OMNIPOTENT MEANING HE GAVE US THE FREE WILL TO LIVE OUR LIVES AS SINNERS OR TRUE BELIEVERS, SO IF YOU CHOSE NOT TO BELIEVE THEN DONT THAT IS YOUR CHOICE, BUT DO NOT RECRUIT OR SHOW PROOFS OF YOUR DISBELIEF, ALL WE NEED TO KNOW IS WHETHER YOU ARE OR YOUR NOT.
PS.
I BELIEVE AND HAVE BELIEVING ALL MY LIFE, AND I AM GREATFUL FOR ALL THAT I WAS GIVEN.....
KRZY K.
ABOUT THE MOVIE, I GOT MIXED EMOTIONS ABOUT IT, BUT I FEEL MEL WAS INNOCENT IN HIS WISHES TO MAKE THIS MOVIE AND I FEEL THAT IT DESERVERS ITS ATTENTIONS, I'LL POST MORE WHEN I SEE IT.
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Kramit
Guest
Mikelabs, your the man, if only all people were as open minded as you. I dont know all that jazz about the historical facts your reeling off, coz I dont follow any religion or study it, but u do bring up some very thoughtful points. Points that anyone can relate to, whether u believe or not, especially about religion acting as a 'middle-man'.
Kramit
Kramit
HCTarks
Wax Mangler
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Battle Points: 1
open-minded? how can u be open-minded when you do not consider ALL sides. i am open-minded because i have no religion, yet i respect everyone enough not to try and discredit other peoples' beliefs. i may not agree with them, but i am not going to try and make them think that their faith is worthless.
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MIKELABZ
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MY BODY DOESNT STOP BREATHING WHEN I GO TO SLEEP DOES YOURS? OF COURSE IT DOESNT CAUSE U'D BE DEAD. HOW MUCH OF LIFE CAN U ATTRIBUTE TO FAITH AND HOW MUCH CAN U ATTRIBUTE TO SCIENCE? THIS ISNT ABOUT RELIGION ITS ABOUT REALITY AND REALITY SAYS YOU GOTTA BE CUTHROAT TO SURVIVE... ALL THAT LOVE BULLSHYT IS FOR THE BIRDS... THERES TOO MANY LAWS IN THE WORLD TO JUST TACK ON A FEW MORE FOR GOOD MEASURE... BUT DONT SWEAT IT YO ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT PROVIDE THE BASIS FOR OUR SOCIETY.. YOUR CONSTANT TURN YOUR CHEEK SYNDROME HAS SUPPLIED THE CLEVERMINDED AND PHILOSOPHICAL ORIENTED WITH RICHES BEYOND THEIR PREVIOUS IMAGINATIONS... BASIACLLY SINCE YOU ARE SO WILLING TO SUFFER FOR YOUR NEIGHBOR WE WILL LEAN ON YOU UNTIL WE GET WHAT WE WANT... WORKS EVERYTIME... LOL... DANG IM ALL OFF TOPIC, BUT U GET WHAT IM SAYING... RELIGION IS ONE WAY TO EXPLOIT YOU FOR YOUR MONEY AND STATE OF MIND IN ONE THOROUGH SWOOP... IF A MAN CAN CONTROL YOUR THOUGHTS HE CAN LOOK YOU OFF AS AN ENEMY CAUSE HE KNOWS WHERE U WILL BE AT ALL TIMES... SO I AINT SWEATING IT... I'D JUST RATHER BE SPONTANEOUS AND OPINIONATED WITH PHILOSOPHIES I THINK OF MYSELF. RATHER THEN BE A BOOK WORM TRYING TO READ AN OWNER'S MANUAL ON HOW MY LIFE 'COULD' BE, I CHOSE TO EXPERIENCE LIFE AS INTENDED THRU HANDS ON SITUATIONS...
JUST DONT MAKE SENSE TO ACT LIKE THERES SOMEBODY HIGHER THEN MYSELF THATS LIKE ADMITTING DEFEAT EARLY BEFORE YOU EVEN HAD THE MATCH... WHAT WOULD U CALL A PERSON WHO NEVER CHALLENGED ANYBODY AND TRIED TO BE IN WITH THE COOL KIDS... YOU CALL THAT PERSON A WANNABEE...
MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHY WOULD U WANT TO BE JESUS? SUPPOSEDLY HE SUFFERED... PEOPLE SPAT ON HIM, HE WAS TORTURED, HE DIED TWICE...LOL WHY WOULD U WANT TO DIE TWICE?
^NOTE: THIS IS ASSUMING THAT SUCH A PERSON ACTUALLY EXISTED. THIS SO CALLED MIRACLE MAN SUPPOSEDLY PERFORMED ACTS OF THE SUPERNATURAL...WALKING ON WATER, CURING THE LEPROSY WITH HIS HANDS.... YET HE COULDNT EVEN CURE HIS OWN DEATH WOUNDS WHILE HE SAT ON THE CROSS... LOL... HOW CONTRADICTORY CAN YOU GET... DO YA RESEARCH FAM... THE BIBLE IS REALLY NOT ALL THAT ITS CRACK OUT TO BE... I BET U'D LIVE A MUCH MORE FULFILLING LIFE WITHOUT ONE...
PUT IT THIS WAY...JUST LIKE I CAN PICK UP A PEN OR STAY COORDINATED WITH THE KEYBOARD I CAN TYPE OUT ANYTHING SO WHO'S TO SAY THAT THE BIBLE IS HOSTORICALLY ACURATE.. WHO'S TO SAY THAT THE KORAN OR THE QUARAN IS CORRECT??
I'LL TELL YOU WHO... THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE IT... ITS PROPOGANDA... ITS 500 YEAR OLD SPAM... ITS USELESS TO YOU ITS USELESS TO EVRYONE EXCEPT THOSE PUT IN POSITIONS OF POWER TO PROFIT FROM IT ALL...
RELIGION IS IN FACT A BUSINESS... DO U REALIZE HOW MUCH MONEY IS GENERATED FROM COLLECTION PLATES... BETWEEN THE GUILT TRIPS TO MAKE U PUT YOUR PAYCHECK IN THE COLLECTION PLATE AND THE MONTHLY DUES OWED TO THE CHURCH...THERES BILLIONS... AND THESE BILLIONS GO FROM YOUR HANDS OUT OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS TOO THE GOVT... I'D MUCH RATHER BE A MEMBER OF THE LOCAL FITNESS CLUB AND I'D PROBABLY GET MORE FROM THAT EXPERINCE THEN AT ANY 'CHURCH' GATHERING...
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Kramit
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HcTarks, sorry if I gave you the wrong idea, i probably used the wrong words, its a habit of mine, but like i said, I'm not about to start an argument, its not worth it, it never is. I see where your coming from. It takes an open mind to believe just as mush as it does to dis-believe. I've had a lot of people try to push many faiths onto me, maybe thats why I can sometimes come across as biased, not saying you are pushin anything tho. Anyway, I'm just about done with talkin bout beliefs, I'll let you get on with yours.
Peace (truthfully)
Kramit
Peace (truthfully)
Kramit
SupaStar
ILLIEN
ill o.g.
NICELY SAID MIKE, I CAN TELL THERE IS SOMETHING THAT HAUNTS YOU AND MAKE YOU THE PERSON THAT YOU ARE. YOU HAVE MADE YOUR CHOICE CLEAR, AND TO CLARIFY, IN EVERY RELIGION THERE ARE EXPLOITATIONS AND GIMMICS, BUT THE OFFERING WE GIVE IS OF CHOICE, WE GIVE BECAUSE WE CHOOSE TO, WE GIVE OUR LAST DOLLAR WE CHOOSE TO, WE BELIEVE BECAUSE WE CHOOSE TO BELIEVE, AND IT WAS MADE CLEAR THE CHURCH IS INSIDE OF US AND ANY MAN THAT PROPHECY HIS EXISTENCE MUST BEAR HIS LIKENESS OF AN EXAMPLE TO BE AN EXAMPLE, ALL THAT BLA BLA BOUT MAKING PEOPLE RICH, WE ARE AWARE OF OUR FALSE PROPHETS AND WHAT THEY DO TO EXPLOIT CHRISTIANITY, BUT IT IS NOT US THAT PUNISHES THEM, THEY PUNISH THEMSELF....AND ASK YOURSELF, WHY IS THERE A WRONG\RIGHT WHY IS THERE EVIL\AND THERE IS GOOD, WHY IS THAT WE FEEL GUILTY WHEN WE DO SOMMIN BAD, BECAUSE WE ARE AWARE OF HIS EXISTENCE WHETHER YOU BELIEVE OR NOT. AND THE BIBLE IS NOT OUR REASON FOR BELIEVING, THE BIBLE IS LIKE A SCHOOLBOOK TO CHILDREN, IT STANDS TO REMIND OF WHAT WAS, THE STORIES OF EXPERIENCES OF MEN\WOMEN THAT LIVED TO TELL AND WRITE, IT TEACHES US THE PRINCIPLES AND LAWS TO GOVERN BY, BUT NEVER TO BELIEVE.
THAT YOU DO ON YOUR OWN,............
KEEP WRITING CRAP MIKE AND I'M GONNA KEEP ON ANSWERING TIL THIS THREAD GETS DELETED
KRZY
THAT YOU DO ON YOUR OWN,............
KEEP WRITING CRAP MIKE AND I'M GONNA KEEP ON ANSWERING TIL THIS THREAD GETS DELETED
KRZY
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