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The @2GooD Productions bedroom producers here are all ILL compared to 99% of the terminally online who inhabit YT.
Music is getting worse
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OGBama
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You seem cool, though, too bad you ain't in the U.S.
I was terminally online before being terminally online was cool
Fade
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I can't believe the reactions to a very simple opinion video from Rick Beato. WTF. I've said this numerous times - the internet is like this: you can have your own opinion, just as long as everyone else agrees with you. It's beyond ridiculous at this point. But he's right in the fact that the music today is so much worse than what it was and because of streaming platforms (like @Iron Keys mentioned), it devalues it, which is what Rich was saying. You can't replace the feeling of buying a vinyl/cassette/cd and listening to it while looking at the artwork and reading the lyrics or thank yous.
As far as making beats/music today, people don't need to be taught how to make music. Instead, all they have to do is what the previous generations did. I know it's wild idea, but how about reading the fucking manual and doing trial and error? That's all it is. I'm tired of everyone waiting for someone to hold their hand and show them exactly how to do something. Just do it. Everyone is a fucking victim nowadays and if anyone today can't figure out how to make beats then they shouldn't be making beats to begin with. There's tons of tutorials right here on ILL and on other sites, plus Youtube. No excuses.
As @2GooD Productions can relate - learning how to scratch and beat juggle was straight up practice and trial and error. I watched DMC videos because I was trying to figure out what those DJs were doing but it wasn't a tutorial, if anything it was inspiration. But I still had to actually get on the turntables and figure it out myself because I didn't know anyone else that DJ'd. Same with beat making. I worked and took whatever overtime I could get, saved my money, and bought a drum machine and sampler then I just figured it out. I didn't have the luxury of someone showing me how to do it step by step while coddling me and jerking me off at the same time.
Let's say you want to learn how to make beats and you choose FL Studio as your DAW. What's the first thing everyone does? They go on YouTube and look up tutorials. I'll bet most people don't even check the manual, (let alone actually know how to spell "manual"), and they follow the tutorial. So essentially all they're learning is how to use an app. That's it. They're not necessarily literate in how the recording process actually works. Everyone wants a quick fix and wants to learn everything right away like it's some secret formula that they have to know immediately. No one wants to actually LEARN anything.
The first book I bought about recording taught me all the basics I needed to know, like what equipment was needed and the proper signal chain, what typical outboard gear was needed, etc. And I read it front to back numerous times. Yeah it's an old book but at least it taught me the basics of how recording actually works. And that's one of the main things missing with today's so called "beat makers" and "producers".
As far as making beats/music today, people don't need to be taught how to make music. Instead, all they have to do is what the previous generations did. I know it's wild idea, but how about reading the fucking manual and doing trial and error? That's all it is. I'm tired of everyone waiting for someone to hold their hand and show them exactly how to do something. Just do it. Everyone is a fucking victim nowadays and if anyone today can't figure out how to make beats then they shouldn't be making beats to begin with. There's tons of tutorials right here on ILL and on other sites, plus Youtube. No excuses.
As @2GooD Productions can relate - learning how to scratch and beat juggle was straight up practice and trial and error. I watched DMC videos because I was trying to figure out what those DJs were doing but it wasn't a tutorial, if anything it was inspiration. But I still had to actually get on the turntables and figure it out myself because I didn't know anyone else that DJ'd. Same with beat making. I worked and took whatever overtime I could get, saved my money, and bought a drum machine and sampler then I just figured it out. I didn't have the luxury of someone showing me how to do it step by step while coddling me and jerking me off at the same time.
Let's say you want to learn how to make beats and you choose FL Studio as your DAW. What's the first thing everyone does? They go on YouTube and look up tutorials. I'll bet most people don't even check the manual, (let alone actually know how to spell "manual"), and they follow the tutorial. So essentially all they're learning is how to use an app. That's it. They're not necessarily literate in how the recording process actually works. Everyone wants a quick fix and wants to learn everything right away like it's some secret formula that they have to know immediately. No one wants to actually LEARN anything.
The first book I bought about recording taught me all the basics I needed to know, like what equipment was needed and the proper signal chain, what typical outboard gear was needed, etc. And I read it front to back numerous times. Yeah it's an old book but at least it taught me the basics of how recording actually works. And that's one of the main things missing with today's so called "beat makers" and "producers".
He's a famous record producer/ engineer of course people subscribe to him going to click on his new upload... Like you wrote he has 4.29 million subs he better get something. Who's listening to him that young???? Are up and coming hiphop young artist listening to him right now?? Hell nawww.. Probably nobody but people in his genre or the people that respects his past works. You and I wouldn't know nothing about this guy if @Fade didn't post his video. If you believe in him like that... you should buy one of his courses and you can teach the youth with it
I agree on what you're saying @Fade but to me this guy sounds off to me and I can't put my finger on it. What he say in this video sounds good but at the same time he's bashing the music of today... So in his mind it seems like no music of today is good and let's go back to the good ole times and because of his musical background he's right. Im going to do my research on him.
He often speaks in a language that kids just dont understand, it took me a quite a while to comprehend some of his words myself. I had to learn some actual theory.
Ive been following Rick for years
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I watched the video and agree with some of Beato's points. However, while he mentions AI a few times, I believe the impact of generative AI tools in the music industry remains somewhat limited. Tools like Suno and Udio can indeed create music from simple prompts, but significant human skill is still required to refine the results. My 2 cents.
Fade
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Once again, he makes a lot of good points. I'm glad he was reading and reacting to some of the comments but most of the time there's no point in arguing with these people. It's like talking to a wall. At this point it's more than just music, it's about society in general. People want to argue and point the finger at previous generations for whatever the reason may be. Rick said at one point in this video that he grew up in a house with his family and there were 9 of them! I immediately thought that I can see someone saying "why did your parents have so many kids?", or "yeah and you were still well off", or something stupid like that. But why say these things? Just mind your business and worry about yourself.
I noticed in one of the comments someone mentioned that we live in a society where a drunk girl is now famous because she said "hawk tua". Yep, that's where we are now. This is why Rick's right about the music today, but he's not bashing the music today either. He has plenty of videos where he plays today's music and he absolutely loves it. But that doesn't mean he can't still criticize some of it either. Or the way music is recorded today.
I don't care if you make beats with FL Studio or an MPC 60. I don't care if it's Trap or Boom Bap or Bap Trap or if you use fart snares. Just make it dope. Practice. Continue to learn. Help others make beats.
OGBama
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Dusty B
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Me and @Fade call that the loosey goosey.
To keep pulling on this thread — part of it is also the collapse of "traditional careers." If you take the corporate route, most folks have about 10 years until they become too expensive and need to fight to hold on to their jobs before what they do gets automated and shipped overseas, or just becomes obsolete in general. If you go the blue collar trade school route, it's a grind that a lot of people just don't want to do given all of the options that tech offers to make some money while sitting in AC. But the rate of which new skills/re-skilling is needed is suggesting to be challenging for humans to keep up. But in a globalized world, that just means the company can hire someone else cheaper and who cares.
I sometimes wonder if more people trying to make it with their hobbies and chase that 5 mins of fame also suggests a broader collapse in the will/interest in pursuing a normal career because more folks are looking at that as a waste of time too.
Dusty B
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Just watched the video. Kinda agree with this guy, but I disagree a lot too.
I don't think tech hinders creativity. I think the reason it seems that way is because of what he said about saturation and an abundance of music. I do think tech results in more needles in the haystack because there are less barriers to entry, so that can help people focus on being creative. But the haystack also just got significantly bigger and probably harder to sort through, because there are also 100x more people dragging MIDIs like he said and rinse/repeating the proven formula that someone else created. One could argue it was always that way, but it was a human having to invest in their craft in order to replicate a sound. Now, it's drag and drop.
About the sweat equity piece and there being a connection to the purchase, I agree with him — but that's everything. Same applies to movies, books, and really just about everything. Kinda came off as him not liking the way the world has changed, which is fine, but there's nothing we can do about it.
It's a great video, but it's a rant, which is fine and I appreciate. But I just don't see how it'll change.
I don't think tech hinders creativity. I think the reason it seems that way is because of what he said about saturation and an abundance of music. I do think tech results in more needles in the haystack because there are less barriers to entry, so that can help people focus on being creative. But the haystack also just got significantly bigger and probably harder to sort through, because there are also 100x more people dragging MIDIs like he said and rinse/repeating the proven formula that someone else created. One could argue it was always that way, but it was a human having to invest in their craft in order to replicate a sound. Now, it's drag and drop.
About the sweat equity piece and there being a connection to the purchase, I agree with him — but that's everything. Same applies to movies, books, and really just about everything. Kinda came off as him not liking the way the world has changed, which is fine, but there's nothing we can do about it.
It's a great video, but it's a rant, which is fine and I appreciate. But I just don't see how it'll change.
OGBama
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She's the new Danielle Bregoli aka Bhad Barbie. Idiots don't need "representation," they need deplatforming.