Ive been listening to ur music

[Rhythmikal]

Non-sampled beats

Can someone tell me a beat maker who does not sample EVER???

Everything just from scratch - melodies, drums etc...??

i think maybe the Track Boys and the Track Stars.

thats what im doing rite now coz i havent got the sampling memory installed in the Motif.

sAfE.

 

[Cold Truth]

there are lots o fus here like that; myself included. its too hard to say with industry types though

 

[Ash Holmz]

neptunes.... rocwilder.. those r the only two i know im sure there are more

 

[Copenhagen]

Neptunes do sample, so does Rockwilder and e.g. Timbaland, just not as often. When they do, they just choose obscure samples or replay them and make them a little different. But producers like them and, as already mentioned, Track boyz and Track Stars are probably the closest you get to non-sampling producers.

 

[MarkN]

yea even people like the neptunes whilst they don't sample replay stuff, for example the beat for hot in herre woz a replayed riff from an old song ! pretty much everyone samples at some point or at least replays stuff !

 

[pancakebunnny]

Madlib. Rjd2. Mf Doom.

 

[classic]

Man listen to southern music, most southern producers do not sample, David banner, mannie fresh orginaized noise etc

class..

 

[bigdmakintrax]

I have absolutely nothing against sampling, The Hip Hop music Cornerstone is sampling, but there's a lot of musicians now that are grounded well enuff musically and also with a great understanding and appreciation of Hip Hop where I think you gonna start hearing more music that you might think is sampled but resampled original music.......just think if you had access to some original Funk or Rock band in your area, I was in a Neo Soul Band and that's another Genre you can sample too and I think that for them a version a hot song they have being played live that has a hot remixed or hip hop version is a plus too......start hanging out at some practices and then ask them can you get a copy of the cd and go to work, I mean there's so many possibilities, I like to make sample beats too....but tryna get some of my tracks on a Real project leaves me doing original music, I have heard it from too many industry execs that sampled based tracks are sometimes a money pit for the label and sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth getting clearance...that's just realistic business side...so it's more productive for me to spend countless hours on original music, it stands a far greater chance of getting on a project than a sample beat.

 

[Rhythmikal]

Big D, do you know wat the laws on replaying music are? i mean as in taking a good melody which i hear (say on some soul record) and replaying it using my instruments. is it the same thing as sampling?

sAfE.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Big D, do you know wat the laws on replaying music are? i mean as in taking a good melody which i hear (say on some soul record) and replaying it using my instruments. is it the same thing as sampling?

sAfE.

If you change it enough i dont thin theyll know.

 

[bigdmakintrax]

That's called an interpolation, I think maybe less than three notes of the Riff and change it slightly would probably be sort of on the safe side along with changing the key etc....I would do some checking with legal buffs to be sure though....good Question.

 

[classic]

That's called an interpolation, I think maybe less than three notes of the Riff and change it slightly would probably be sort of on the safe side along with changing the key etc....I would do some checking with legal buffs to be sure though....good Question.

It also depends if the copyright expired. I play alot of classic riffs(bach,mozart) and i dont have to worry about paying interpolation casuse the stuff is over 70 years old.

class...

 

[bigdmakintrax]

Exactly, there's probably a rack of classical public domain music....that as long as you perform it, no problem...most of the more funky riffs etc ya gonna be having to watch ya self on though....

 

[ACEBEATZ]

For the principal thread, no one as mention both ways in same song!!

In fact we say we are not sampling but we are.

All drums we use, hardware or software are samples. All patches are multi-samples. Only syntesizer produce themselves sounds.

If non sampled beats meanin building melodies from patches and instruments, almost every poeple I know (including myself sometimes) who make beats from sampling while harmonize track with bass, background strings, pads or such, so we could definite then that it's half sampling.

I prefer created tracks from scratch, i love originality, but too much bomb track are sample-based. When a beat is hot, it's hot no matter how he's been done.

I dislike sampling when it lack originality and when it's too close from the original shit, or when a sample is re-used more than one time and it's too much similar.

 

[Rhythmikal]

and when it's too close from the original shit

yeh i hate that too, an example would be California Love, which Dre basically sped up the original and thats pretty much all he did. (and they couldnt even think of chorus lyrics themselves, they stole them too!)

sAfE.

 

[Cold Truth]

For the principal thread, no one as mention both ways in same song!!

In fact we say we are not sampling but we are.

All drums we use, hardware or software are samples. All patches are multi-samples. Only syntesizer produce themselves sounds.

If non sampled beats meanin building melodies from patches and instruments, almost every poeple I know (including myself sometimes) who make beats from sampling while harmonize track with bass, background strings, pads or such, so we could definite then that it's half sampling.

I prefer created tracks from scratch, i love originality, but too much bomb track are sample-based. When a beat is hot, it's hot no matter how he's been done.

I dislike sampling when it lack originality and when it's too close from the original shit, or when a sample is re-used more than one time and it's too much similar.

EHHHHHHH... no offense but saying that using a multi sampled patch is sampling is b.s.... i hear that all the time... this is one of those "technically, if you look at it THIS way, we are sampling" arguments that doesnt hold any water...

playing a multi sampled piano patch is still playing a piano; if i play a riff using a multisampled flute patch on the keyboard, i am still playing my own, completely original composition..... come on..... thats like saying, "if you didnt build the guitar yourself, you are sampling what the guitar maker built"..... playing a keyboard patch, whether it is a multisampled acoustic instrument or a self-generating synth sound, is not sampling..... but i guess, if you reeeeeallly stretch and reach far, that is still sampling.....

as a rule of thumb, if i have to stretch, reach, and reason to get something to make sense, if it is only true once you setup all of these little perimeters, chances are... it isnt really true..

 

[exitflagger]

Umm Yeah, playing a multi sampled piano patch is not sampling. I mean technically it is (because it was "sampled from a real piano" but what we are talking about here is loop based production. I mean the trend in more mainstream hip hop definately seems to be moving away from loops and using more synths to create. But I think most tracks still have loops sampled from records on em but there just more mangled, chopped up, pitch shifted, etc. But most of the underground shit like madlib, rjd2, blockhead, eligh, Daddy Kev that stuff is all loop based. Maybe some random synths and stuff for accents. Those dudes just have a sick ear for sampling. I just read a Madlib interview and he talks about creating the Madvillain album with just an Sp-1200, a turntable, and a crate of records. No computers, no synths.

 

[Sucio]

It also depends if the copyright expired. I play alot of classic riffs(bach,mozart) and i dont have to worry about paying interpolation casuse the stuff is over 70 years old.

class...

yeah...a lot of stuff done a while back is now considered public domain...so those are def royalty free...so rape the shht out of those and get every penny off of it....

 

[maddogg]

public domain music is ok to replay but not sample. say you buy the freeky deeky classical cd just cause the original songs copyright is up the people that put out the cd or record have a copyright on there playing of the arrangement.
Peace

 

[Guevara]

yeh i hate that too, an example would be California Love, which Dre basically sped up the original and thats pretty much all he did. (and they couldnt even think of chorus lyrics themselves, they stole them too!)

sAfE.

So WHAT WoULD YoU PREFER THEY SiT ARoUND AND BRAiNSToRM FoR SoME oLD CoMPLiCATED SHiT To SAY WHEN THE TRACK SAYS iT ALL.
iTS A CoNCEPT TRACK JUST LiKE THAT LAST TRACK oN KANYE'S ALBUM
"HERES To THE RoC" "iTS THE RoC-A-FELLAS"
iTS THERE USE iT, THE THiNG ABoUT SAMPLiNG iS THAT YoU HAVE To FiND WAYS To MAKE NoN HiP HoP SHiT WoRK FoR HiP HoP.
AND CALiFoRNiA LoVE iS HoT.
STRAiGHT LiKE THAT.
AND SiNCE WHEN Do ANY TUPAC SoNGS HAVE CHoRUS'S ANYWAY....
THiNK ABoUT iT.
i MEAN iTS CRAZY THAT YoU EVEN HiNTED To THE NoTiON THAT TUPAC CoULDNT WRiTE A GoOD HoOK BUT 85% oF TUPAC SoNGS ARE JUST THE NAME oF THE SoNG REPEATED DURiNG THE HoOK, WiTH MAYBE SoME BACKGRoUND HARMoNiZiNG BY DANNY BoY oR JEWELL oR WHoEVER.
oN ANoTHER NoTE YoU CoNFUSiNG ME WiTH THE JUST BLAZE PiC......
WHoS SiDE ARE YoU oN???

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