Dude hit me up through e-mail asking for free beats and this man seems like he's in some serious trouble finicially(don't know if it's legit though) and I'm not a mean dude and wanna help him out but at the same time, I'm lookin at the business aspect of it as well. I'm not sure if I should give it to him for free to use this as a promotion opportunity or just wave him off? If you guys wanna see the e-mail, I'll give a link to it.
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nobody will treat u like a busniess man if u dont handle yourself like a busniess,
If you sold cars would u give them away for free??
If you sold stock would u give them away for free??
would you work for free??
So why the hell should u give your beats away for freee???
class..
If you sold cars would u give them away for free??
If you sold stock would u give them away for free??
would you work for free??
So why the hell should u give your beats away for freee???
class..
You got a point but I mean, the way he described it, this dude seemed like he was in some deep stuff and the beat he wants is my "Poison" beat which is the 6th beat I've ever made. Would it be better if I just leased it for real cheap for like $10 and then get the promotion as well since it was one of my early beats?
Sanova
Guess Who's Back
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Hmm. I think the real question is if hes struggling so hard financially, wth is he doin online lookin for beats. He needs to be gettin his ish together. But i say u should lease it to him for cheap. 10-20 and throw on a lil tag in the begining of the beat that would be unlawful (by ur lease) for him to take off. like how Clinton Sparks has taht (get familiar) or Just blaze says his name on the track. That seems like itll work
Vince
2Cool2BeAHebrew
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If the car is worth about a dollar, why not give it away for free??classic said:
Seoul:
I don't mean to be rude, but you said it yourself. It's your 6th beat, it isn't really worth any money. You probably won't get any promotion either since the dude's obiviously a nobody. Do as you like. I don't give away my beats since I don't want wack ass rappers rapping over them.
FistFulloDollaz
ILLIEN
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Battle Points: 1
You should also consider if the opportunity could help you out, if he has an established name the transaction could benefit you, depending on how known u are of course
just make sure he gives you credit for the production and only give him leasing rights
on the other hand if he has never released anything in the past and is just looking for a freebie dont do it
industry cats give free beats all the time, just depends on the situation
just make sure he gives you credit for the production and only give him leasing rights
on the other hand if he has never released anything in the past and is just looking for a freebie dont do it
industry cats give free beats all the time, just depends on the situation
^^^^
This aint no industry dude, you think and industry cat would hit him up via email outta nowhere asking for free beats?? Its a nobody who wants free handouts, i get aleast 5 emails and 5 im's like this every single day, if i gave away free beats everytime some strugglin artist needed "help" i wouldent have anything left for my cataloge...And ive turned down some NICE MC's too
Thats the problem wit alot of cats on this forum, espically the younger ones(no offense) they dont have a realistic sense of busniess.... You really need to sit down and evaluate how to handle situations like these...
The better producer you become the MORE people that will come outta no-where asking for free beats...... You gotta know how to handle yourself accordingly....
Ohh FYI
the only reason why industry cats give away free beats its becasue they are getting huge publishing checks on the back end. The bigger the artist the less likely the producer will charge a front end free becasue they will be getting a huge check once all the records are sold, thats what Em and a bunch of other cats do. If 50 asked me for a beat today, i wouldent charge him shit, I would just ask for publishing becasue i know he is gonna sell, which means a big check..(not to mention radio play,ASCAP checks) So dont let the "free beat" myth in the industry fool you, they are getting PAID
class....
This aint no industry dude, you think and industry cat would hit him up via email outta nowhere asking for free beats?? Its a nobody who wants free handouts, i get aleast 5 emails and 5 im's like this every single day, if i gave away free beats everytime some strugglin artist needed "help" i wouldent have anything left for my cataloge...And ive turned down some NICE MC's too
Thats the problem wit alot of cats on this forum, espically the younger ones(no offense) they dont have a realistic sense of busniess.... You really need to sit down and evaluate how to handle situations like these...
The better producer you become the MORE people that will come outta no-where asking for free beats...... You gotta know how to handle yourself accordingly....
Ohh FYI
the only reason why industry cats give away free beats its becasue they are getting huge publishing checks on the back end. The bigger the artist the less likely the producer will charge a front end free becasue they will be getting a huge check once all the records are sold, thats what Em and a bunch of other cats do. If 50 asked me for a beat today, i wouldent charge him shit, I would just ask for publishing becasue i know he is gonna sell, which means a big check..(not to mention radio play,ASCAP checks) So dont let the "free beat" myth in the industry fool you, they are getting PAID
class....
FistFulloDollaz
ILLIEN
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classic said:
I was referring to an industry producer not rapper, like I said it depends on the situation
thats alot of the problem with people without a name trying to get on too...
all business transaction dont require actual cash exchange if there are other benefits, its done all the time in the corporate world
I'm a business major so I think I got a pretty good sense of business
I didnt see the email so I couldnt judge the situation, I was giving him a broad advice for future success in music or anything else
I'm not sayin give beats to everybody for free DUH!!
and I wasnt referring to industry transactions with people who actually have label deals, who get back end publishing thats a whole nother issue
I'm talking about regular street dudes that are on the grind
Vince
2Cool2BeAHebrew
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 1
classic said:
The problem with alot of cats on this forum, no matter the age, is that they think they're good enough to make money of their beats.
What's even more important than a realistic sense of business is a realistic sense of your own talent.
FistFulloDollaz
ILLIEN
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Battle Points: 1
Vince said:
thats so true
FistFulloDollaz
I don’t know if you thought I was talking about you with the “business sense” comments but I wasn’t… I was actually aiming that comment at soul P casue I know he is a young high school kid. I have know way of knowing how you handle your business. It dont matter if its a relgular street dude on the grind or a industry cat, they still should handle they biz accourdingly.....
Personally I agree, actually when I talk to people about I usually assume (wrongly sometimes) that they have made that evaluation., BUT to be honest this assumption is wrong. The more I become involved in this industry the more I realize that its not about talent at all. Its about your connections and your business mind. Laffy taffy is a perfect example…Listen to the top 10 radio, most of the tracks you hear could easily be made by an intermediate beat maker at best
I can give you myspace links to some of the most talented hip hop producers that I have ever heard. These cats have been doing it sense the mid 90’s but nobody knows their name…. Talent does NOT success in the biz.. Hustle , business, and luck = success
Class…
I don’t know if you thought I was talking about you with the “business sense” comments but I wasn’t… I was actually aiming that comment at soul P casue I know he is a young high school kid. I have know way of knowing how you handle your business. It dont matter if its a relgular street dude on the grind or a industry cat, they still should handle they biz accourdingly.....
Vince said:
Personally I agree, actually when I talk to people about I usually assume (wrongly sometimes) that they have made that evaluation., BUT to be honest this assumption is wrong. The more I become involved in this industry the more I realize that its not about talent at all. Its about your connections and your business mind. Laffy taffy is a perfect example…Listen to the top 10 radio, most of the tracks you hear could easily be made by an intermediate beat maker at best
I can give you myspace links to some of the most talented hip hop producers that I have ever heard. These cats have been doing it sense the mid 90’s but nobody knows their name…. Talent does NOT success in the biz.. Hustle , business, and luck = success
Class…
FistFulloDollaz
ILLIEN
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 1
classic said:
my bad for some reason we keep miscommunicating its all good though
I totally feel you on the last part though, its starting to take less and less talent to the point its crazy
Fade
The Beat Strangler
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LOL!Seoul P said:
On the other hand though, like it was mentioned already, giving away free beats is a good move, providing that there's something in it for you in return. For example, if you're guaranteed some sort of hookup in the long run by a label, or if you just happen to know the MC and believe that he/she will blow up one day and take you along, etc.
This is a good topic.
You guys all made some good points and some of the points you made was the reason why I told him off until he gets some cash cuz I'm also lookin at the business side of it as well. Tryna work out something with him right now cuz he said he could get me some money for the lease. Thanks for the input.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=439953
That's the dude. Don't know if any of y'all have worked with him.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=439953
That's the dude. Don't know if any of y'all have worked with him.
LOL this dude is tryna sue me now.
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'Actually...I was seein how you would respond to that. I'ma get the money up for that beat...hopefully I can work somethin on that. See...I study 'contract law' (in general). In all reality, I could take you to court right now over 'breach of contract'. You simply gave me a perfect situation by breaching. Didn't think we had a contract? Well, according to the UCC, which governs the majority of comercial transactions in this country (and throughout most of the world), and various Michigan and Federal Laws, we indeed have a contract that you consentually bound to. Remember, contracts do not necessarily require signatues, they need no 'formal' format or outline, and they can even be verbal. There are only 4 elements to a contract...
1. Mutual Consent
2. Offer and Acceptance
3. Consideration (this definition, in its legal capacity, is different from how you would normally use the word)
4. Performance and Delivery
When these 4 elements exist (in ANY situation), you have a contract. In your and my case, I offered you 'credit and promotion in exchange for up to 5 beats', you accepted that offer by posting your link. Furthermore, you IMPLIED (due to not listing any further 'points of referrence') that I then (and now) had the offer to view the samples of your instrumentals at soundclick, and choose up to 5 beats. Not simply the sample, of course, because I did in fact mention that I need 'beats for an album'. You, being a 'producer', are then contractually bound.
Sounds crazy, huh?
Well, I been studying the UCC and other contract law for over 5 years. I'm very aware of what a contract is, what to say, how to say it, etc. The funny thing is...most people probably don't even ponder upon the thought. But law is law.
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/business/contract_law.html
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/business/contract_law.html
These two sites are great for a beginner. Any true businessman either knows/studies contract law (all commercial transactions are based on SOME TYPE OF contract), or he has an attorney on retainer that deals in contract law!!!
In your and my case, I could possibly take you to court, probably would bring it to federal (due to internet, and we probably live in different states). I would file a claim against you for breach of contract, as well as file a copy of all ofour correspondence. The court would probably then have to subpena all of your personal information from soundclick, hotmail, HHC, etc. and verify that you are indeed the user. Then its all up to the courts. But the outcome would'nt be you having to give up a beat...you'd have to come off of money damages, a sort of 'punishment' fee for 'breach of contract', etc. I'd probably walk out with an extremely large judgement, and the 'breacher' may even be additionally punished by the system (jail-time?, fines?)
I've never done this to anybody, of course, but it is all there. I mean, take going to the hospital or doctor for instance (without having insurance). They later bill you for the ammount that they find appropriate. If you pay it...that's on you. If you don't, you will eventually end up in court over it. What will be there case?
There case would probably sound something like..."the patient opened an account to do business with us by supplying all of the information we asked him, and seeking our services. The patient had a broken-arm. We spent the usual time in correcting the fracture and casting it. The patient cannot claim that he thought such a service was for free, for it is common knowledge that such services cost money. We usually charge $1200 for such a service. The patient had no insurance, so we billed him accordingly, yet upon several notices of FAILURE TO PAY, the patient still did not contact us or pay on the ammount owed."
In defense, the 'patient' cannot now say that he did'nt know he would have to pay for it..."ignorance of the law is no excuse."
How do you think this judgement will turn out?
Now...of course, the hospital will merely seek to be reimbursed for the original ammount owed, because any 'well-established' business would not want negative publicity in the media, such as, "DOCTOR TAKES PATIENT TO COURT FOR UNPAID BILLS, THEN FILES SUIT FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT!." And the 'patient', depending on the ammount owed, could end up with 'leins' on anything he owns...re-po men and bill-collectors calling and at his door...and definately a TERRIBLE credit record.
^^Apply the general situation to anything in life...and you have 'contract'.
O.k., enough of that...jus figured you may want to hit them sites and brush up on 'business'. You may or may not appreciate the information, but I spent my time to give you some quality info...AT NO COST!
You probably have all of your contracts, etc. in order for your sales...if not, holla at me. I might be able to help.
And if this gesture still does'nt get me that damn beat...what will? Can we 'barter'? Maybe I got something or some INFO you may need??? Lemme know...
"Profit"'
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'Actually...I was seein how you would respond to that. I'ma get the money up for that beat...hopefully I can work somethin on that. See...I study 'contract law' (in general). In all reality, I could take you to court right now over 'breach of contract'. You simply gave me a perfect situation by breaching. Didn't think we had a contract? Well, according to the UCC, which governs the majority of comercial transactions in this country (and throughout most of the world), and various Michigan and Federal Laws, we indeed have a contract that you consentually bound to. Remember, contracts do not necessarily require signatues, they need no 'formal' format or outline, and they can even be verbal. There are only 4 elements to a contract...
1. Mutual Consent
2. Offer and Acceptance
3. Consideration (this definition, in its legal capacity, is different from how you would normally use the word)
4. Performance and Delivery
When these 4 elements exist (in ANY situation), you have a contract. In your and my case, I offered you 'credit and promotion in exchange for up to 5 beats', you accepted that offer by posting your link. Furthermore, you IMPLIED (due to not listing any further 'points of referrence') that I then (and now) had the offer to view the samples of your instrumentals at soundclick, and choose up to 5 beats. Not simply the sample, of course, because I did in fact mention that I need 'beats for an album'. You, being a 'producer', are then contractually bound.
Sounds crazy, huh?
Well, I been studying the UCC and other contract law for over 5 years. I'm very aware of what a contract is, what to say, how to say it, etc. The funny thing is...most people probably don't even ponder upon the thought. But law is law.
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/business/contract_law.html
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/business/contract_law.html
These two sites are great for a beginner. Any true businessman either knows/studies contract law (all commercial transactions are based on SOME TYPE OF contract), or he has an attorney on retainer that deals in contract law!!!
In your and my case, I could possibly take you to court, probably would bring it to federal (due to internet, and we probably live in different states). I would file a claim against you for breach of contract, as well as file a copy of all ofour correspondence. The court would probably then have to subpena all of your personal information from soundclick, hotmail, HHC, etc. and verify that you are indeed the user. Then its all up to the courts. But the outcome would'nt be you having to give up a beat...you'd have to come off of money damages, a sort of 'punishment' fee for 'breach of contract', etc. I'd probably walk out with an extremely large judgement, and the 'breacher' may even be additionally punished by the system (jail-time?, fines?)
I've never done this to anybody, of course, but it is all there. I mean, take going to the hospital or doctor for instance (without having insurance). They later bill you for the ammount that they find appropriate. If you pay it...that's on you. If you don't, you will eventually end up in court over it. What will be there case?
There case would probably sound something like..."the patient opened an account to do business with us by supplying all of the information we asked him, and seeking our services. The patient had a broken-arm. We spent the usual time in correcting the fracture and casting it. The patient cannot claim that he thought such a service was for free, for it is common knowledge that such services cost money. We usually charge $1200 for such a service. The patient had no insurance, so we billed him accordingly, yet upon several notices of FAILURE TO PAY, the patient still did not contact us or pay on the ammount owed."
In defense, the 'patient' cannot now say that he did'nt know he would have to pay for it..."ignorance of the law is no excuse."
How do you think this judgement will turn out?
Now...of course, the hospital will merely seek to be reimbursed for the original ammount owed, because any 'well-established' business would not want negative publicity in the media, such as, "DOCTOR TAKES PATIENT TO COURT FOR UNPAID BILLS, THEN FILES SUIT FOR BREACH OF CONTRACT!." And the 'patient', depending on the ammount owed, could end up with 'leins' on anything he owns...re-po men and bill-collectors calling and at his door...and definately a TERRIBLE credit record.
^^Apply the general situation to anything in life...and you have 'contract'.
O.k., enough of that...jus figured you may want to hit them sites and brush up on 'business'. You may or may not appreciate the information, but I spent my time to give you some quality info...AT NO COST!
You probably have all of your contracts, etc. in order for your sales...if not, holla at me. I might be able to help.
And if this gesture still does'nt get me that damn beat...what will? Can we 'barter'? Maybe I got something or some INFO you may need??? Lemme know...
"Profit"'