jclay12345 said:
cold truth - thank you. that is exactly what I am saying.
DueceMade Ent. - man, I just kind of lost respect for you. Not because you don't see my point, but because you are downing everyone that doesn't see your point. Talkin bout ya'll youngsters and people needing to go back to the drawing board....Who are you? I haven't heard your music on any radio or anything. There is no right way to sample. If you want to spend countless hours on one sound, that is your business. But I would much rather spend hours pubbin and sellin my music on the street getting it out to people. what is it that you want people to respect? I respect a tight beat. I don't care how you made it. If it is tight, it's tight. I never heard anyone say, "Hey that Timbaland beat is super. I especially like the eq and filter on that snare. It really feels up the track. He must have dug for hours to get that. I really respect who he got his sample from." No, but I have heard someone say, "That Timbaland track is tight. That boy is genius on the beats."
Whatever dude, hate me then. Aint gonna change my perspective, and i aint tryin to brainwash fools either, im just recognizing what hiphop is great for and what its not basically. Im trying to have other cats acknowledge that the artform is diminished when u dont even put in the work or even know the source your utilizin in the 1st place. And my bad for callin anybody out that took the youngsters bullshit to heart, i shouldnt have said that and i dont know everyones age by memory but i do kno theres a gang of really young cats on here nowadays that are going bout samplin like that, so in that repsect, my bad, but thats where the comment came from....But yo, dont try to get all "cocky" just cuz I apparently touched some kinda personal note with yer beliefs in hiphop....Go head and state yer beliefs but dont try to call me out with the cliche "who are u kid!?" routine....If you wanna go that route, i could be equally fucking childish and ask you about why i never heard your fantastic music on the radio as well coudnt I?....FUck that, im tired of when ever someone speeks on somethin like this, you always get some dude that wants to use that kinda repsonse as a valid way to state yer claim....If u believe a certain way, then belive it! - and go ahead and say why, but to me thats a fuckin cheap shot.
Whats retarded is hella people all misinterpreted what the fuck i was sayin in first dam place!.....The only cats that honestly got it were Equality, and Clev.....If you wanna understand better what i was talkin bout, go back to the beginnin of the thread and re-read Equalities post.
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Recaping on one of the biggest misconceptions that alot of people made about what i think is this:
That sampling another beatmaker is wack, and you should put in yer own work.
K, now i could have gone into massive detail about why i said this and the context in which it needs to stay in or else it turns to shit as it already did, but i just assumed most people would see where i was comin from to begin with that comment, i mean, i didnt try to attach any magic tricks to it.
Basically; this is it - YES, i do think its wack to sample another beatmakers already dug samples for one thing, or for that matter snatch a kick, snare, hh, etc.....Stayin within the context of course that one recognizes the fact that anyone and everyone can go buy a sound cd and use one shots on it to make a drum beat (the kind thats commercially available on bigfish for example)....To me that doesnt even count, and shouldnt be included in this argument since this isnt somethin that u sampled in the first place, its more a "set-kit" approach. (and yes, someone sampled those sounds in a studio to make that cd and so yer sampling, ok we get it, lets not got there)....PLease, you gotta remember to try and keep things in the context of some kind of generally known sampling etiqite so to speak.
So when i say its wack to sample premos beats for example, it is because, he made that snare and kick individual that way on his own, even if it was from a sample-cd. This of course is comparible in some respects to what the bands went through to make the records that you sample, but the thing is that were talkin bout a old nonexistant bands piece a vinyl versus a fresh out the box beatmakers song thats still playing on the top-40 for fucks sake.
To me its like: Ok, well i know i can EQ my drums and compress them on my own to give them a particualr color similar to the shit im interested in, but thats where i draw the line....Cuz to simply pop in P-Diddy or somethin and just sample his snares is rediculous....Plus alota hiphop uses the same classic kits, like the Roland 808 sounds...that shit in its self is timeless and u cant even bother includin sounds like that into the argument, they just are hiphop, period. But whats even worse is the fact that anybody can make their drums sound like that particular way with the proper EQing and chopping, or FX for that matter....So why bite another beatmaker????
When this comes to the realm of of already sampled drums, or samples themselves by beatmakers that have the shit on their own album, one could argue its the same cuz if u sample, u bite someones work regaurdless, I agree to an extent, I mean samplings a touchy thing in the first place, but thats the point, since it is a touchy thing - why degrade it more?
