Destiny child produced by 9th wonder (links inside)

[bigdmakintrax]

Hey man I won't hate but it's almost like this....how many of you remember the Can I live track by Jigga...?...that entire song was Issaac Hayes looped continuously....I mean what are you saying go see who can find a dope old record and then just find the right loop and put some some drums under it...???? is that a skill? get outta here....if you use those criteria of defining a producer I quit this shit..........LOL...if he can construct a beat standing on it's own without more than 3 seconds of somebody elses hard work then I might give this nigga few props...but until then hes your average dime a dozen producer like anyone that works hard and gets the big break.......I know that will hurt some feelings but that's how I see it.....go out and do some more listening of old records and you will be surprised at what gets resurrected and looped and people think its actually a song that's newly produced....

 

[classic]

Hey man I won't hate but it's almost like this....how many of you remember the Can I live track by Jigga...?...that entire song was Issaac Hayes looped continuously....I mean what are you saying go see who can find a dope old record and then just find the right loop and put some some drums under it...???? is that a skill? get outta here....if you use those criteria of defining a producer I quit this shit..........LOL...if he can construct a beat standing on it's own without more than 3 seconds of somebody elses hard work then I might give this nigga few props...but until then hes your average dime a dozen producer like anyone that works hard and gets the big break.......I know that will hurt some feelings but that's how I see it.....go out and do some more listening of old records and you will be surprised at what gets resurrected and looped and people think its actually a song that's newly produced....

I kinda agree with D on this, i think as up and coming producers we have to distingish between talent and hustle. You can respect one the other or both

FOr example. 9th wonder has the same talent abltitiy as many cats on this site, but his hustle is extemely tight, thats why he is able to be on the new DS album. A cat like hi-tek or mannie fresh have the great talanent AND hustle.


Now dont get me wrong, I am feeling both songs. From a fans perpective they are tight.
BUt as an avid listner of 60 and 70's soul(Wilsion pickette,ottis redding ,issac hayes etc) the 9th wonder tracks from a producer standpoint are avarage. Most of you guys havent heard the orginal so it sounds new, but i gurantee if you hear the orginal u will see what he did and it most cases you will like the orgiinal better.

I never knock another mans hustle casue 9TH Wonder is doing great things. But u gotta seperate hustle and talent (ex lil john) lol

class...

 

[WingsOfAnAngel]

Wings' Point Of View

I totally agree with BigD + Classic. I respect 9th for what he has achieved thus far (and will continue to accomplish in the future). Nobody can take that away from him; he has made it, big time. Yet, i don't dig what he's doing music-wise. His production style + sound are not my cup of tea, to say the least. This is where i [and many others] differ from those masses who claim that he's a god or something like that. He's just a guy who has succeed... There were many like him, there are many like him, there will be many like him.

Personally, i am well beyond that phase. I truly don't care if i make it, if i am to be known - i just want to make good music (in my standards). Each one of us sets his own criterions, and mine are just 10X TIMES above making a simple boom bap drum section and looping some old soul records. And yes, MANY of the cats here could have made it just like 9th have; many cats here are at least AS talented as he is. In the end, it's all about how hard you work, but also how much luck you have... I wish ya'll the best of luck... And don't forget what Chedda said - DON'T HATE!

One Love Fam,
Wings

 

[MarkN]

Hey man I won't hate but it's almost like this....how many of you remember the Can I live track by Jigga...?...that entire song was Issaac Hayes looped continuously....I mean what are you saying go see who can find a dope old record and then just find the right loop and put some some drums under it...???? is that a skill? get outta here....if you use those criteria of defining a producer I quit this shit..........LOL...if he can construct a beat standing on it's own without more than 3 seconds of somebody elses hard work then I might give this nigga few props...but until then hes your average dime a dozen producer like anyone that works hard and gets the big break.......I know that will hurt some feelings but that's how I see it.....go out and do some more listening of old records and you will be surprised at what gets resurrected and looped and people think its actually a song that's newly produced....

man, pretty much 100% of my stuff is sampled now so i do know about what these things sound like before hand the destiny child tracks arent the best work he's done, go check his beat for kanye and consequence ' i see now' then go get the bobb womack joint ' trying to prove my love' now thats a dope chop again not particularly difficult but a lot of people would have skipped over those like 3 seconds of music looking for sumthing else and he's out there making money he didn't have no cousin in A&R or woteva he woz on the net making nas remixes and people liked his stuff, jay-z put him on the album and it went from there he's done dope stuff with little brother 'away from me' is another good track and if you listen to the original which is a 'mass production' track then yea its good what he done, so yea if sum1 is just straight looping all the time ( there is a place now and then if its dope ) then you got a right to hate on the man but listen to some more 9th stuff and he has a lot of good chops, and damn he'd doing wot we all want to do if that doesnt make you think well if he can so can i then i dont know what will ! but come on you could say the same thing about premo oh he just takes a sample and and puts sum drums to it but damn i doubt theres one person on here that could create some of the tracks hes made !
and if you still don't like the guys stuff at least take the positive and think well if i work hard i'll be there !

 

[gram green]

nah

Tha label doesn't pay to clear samples...Unless he got that agreed upon in his contract which isn't normal...Tha producer pays for tha sample, point blank

yo ... are you speakin from experience? i'll assume not cause this just aint true... where are you gettin your info from.... think about it... that dont even make sense

its very normal and real standard for there to be a budget included in the record deal for clearing samples... the label says ok you got x amount of dollars budgeted for clearing samples... producers dont pay to clear the sample.. or else like you said the guy that makes the beat wouldnt be getting any money.. the main two cats i sold beats to recently that are actually on labels and shit, they had money in their budget for the album for both paying producers and for clearing samples.. and in two different cases i know they paid more to clear the samples than they paid me for the beat... but also from reading alot of interviews and shit this is pretty much the standard set up for anyone working with a label that is actually doin shit...

 

[N.A.R.]

Dude u talkin to tha wrong. 1....Yeah im speakin from experience....Did u read what I said....What i said was if it's in tha contract then yes, but that's very unlikely....Dude if u cop tha sample u pay for it...Case in point....I was in tha studio, with Chris T. from Def Suad records, he's tha manager, If u didn't know this Just Blaze is an Eric Sermon protege, he was makin a song for somebody etc... Chris was like we asked him if it had samples because if it does then it was basically on him, I asked him if most labels pay for samples....he aid no, no maybe we got money set aside non of that, straight up no....Blaze had to sign a statement that he didn't sample....Do u honestly believe a label is tryin to make tha producer rich? Dude im werkin for a label in Denver, that's distributed thru V2....tha cd will be out (NATIONALLY) this summer....So yes I kinda know what im talkin about....How do u honestly think someone is going to pay u for usin someone elses music? Just like Music for example Eric Sermon...he paid 200,000 for that, he produced it....Def Jam didnn't pay for it, he did.....I think u need to ask ur'eself are u speakin from experience next time.....Just curious tho, how can a record company tell a producer he gotta line of credit for goin out gettin samples? What they just come up with a fixed amount and say do it, and tha producer has to stay w/i tha limit? What happens when someone wants to charge an exorbident amout for the producer to use it?

 

[gram green]

what label in denver and what artist.. im sure i know them... im just lettin you know from my experiences sellin beats... and also like i said other artists saying in interviews etc... maybe you misread what i said... a rapper gets a deal... his budget has money for gettin beats, including clearing the samples.. thats standard.. the rapper may choose not to have any sampled beats which just puts more money in his pocket at the end... but yeah im speakin from experience of sellin a bunch of beats in this fashion... so chill... but what label you fuckin wit in denver.. cuz theres only 2 national artists that i know of and im workin with both... and thats they way their lable paid me ... but seriously who you fuckin wit in denver.. we probably know the same cats

 

[N.A.R.]

That ain't standard...what's standard is the artist gettin money for production of an album...normally an artist is not a producer... that's really hard to believe u made it to tha major label ranks sellin trax and u questioning this...So lets take hot in here...Nells got a million for tha production of that album, I know this first hand....100,000 to Neptunes for producing Hot in here, which sampled bustin loose.... tha neptunes outta they $$ paid for tha sample not Nells Duke or Universal....Y would an artist pay tha producer to clear tha producers sample? I'll still b on this site, so in about 2 -3 months u should hear who it is...If Fade a give me a cut...I'll help blow this site up!!! I really enjoy this site, it's really kept me from letting someone hear a joint I thought was tite that really wasn't...Ha Ha Ha

 

[gram green]

???? i dont understand what you talkin bout .. your shit is soundin kinda ill logical ... i dont think your reading shit i wrote... i aint say i made it to tha major label ranks ... i said i sold beats to some cats on labels and thats how its went down... if i gave a fuck id post some shit from interviews sayin elsewise, cause its some shit i been tryin to learn about for years... but anways, maybe if you got time sometime you can school me with your obvious infinate wisdom on the matter ... but seriously.. you aint gonna tell me who you workin wit out here? what is it a secret? you soundin kinda funny style

 

[N.A.R.]

Yo...Gram...Y u cursin?

 

[N.A.R.]

No need to curse Gram, it's cool man.....I had it posted in tha scratch thread ( who I was werkin with) I started, but I deleted it, I said to much sayin that....If u really want to know what ur'e talking about, check this book....everything u need to know about tha record industry, by Kasheef, don't take my werd for it......U gotta know how to communicate betta than that sellin beats, don't get so emotional...I don't want u to call tha label sayin I know N.A.R....

the label says ok you got x amount of dollars budgeted for clearing samples... producers dont pay to clear the sample.

Dude do u even know what u said?

Let's chill with this...Ur'e right!!!!

 

[gram green]

jesus ... your are a funny dude... im gonna name drop you? ... hahahahhaha.. anyways again you soundin fishy keepin it a secret.. being as i work with both cats out here bout to drop some national shit... your doin what with this mystery person?

 

[N.A.R.]

Auight u got tha last 1 in...Let's let it go now!!!!

 

[Qwerty]

These tracks are alright, and I don't think there was much mastering done(the original record is playing with a nice beat under it...LOL)....he rode the samples for the most part, the original songs have to be given more credit.....9th was just a good pattern stringer with the huge chunks he stole...that's the melody and it's about 98 % of a record that's finished so he shouldn't have to do too much in the way of eq etc...the overall sound quality lends itself to the fact if you listen the drum pattern is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOo basic he just got the sample in Fruity and boom stuck a basic drum pattern behind, leveled it an boom done...Naw I don't buy into this Super dope skill level yet.............LOL
and yes you are right.....not unless he is in good with the original creator of the record...samples kill your return as far as your sales are concerned....depending on their agreement I bet you they pay like70% of what they make to the people that made the record....

Now that's what I don't like, when people trash over someone's beat cuz he sampled and loop and add a drum. I can understand giving more props to the non sampled beats, but not saying how basing a sampled beat is. Hip hop is based on puting pieces together, it's the final product that counts in my opinion.

This is something that a lot of producers here do, saying how easy what producers did. But you got to realise, before you find that sampled you go thru 100 of beats before you find that special loop. SO STOP WHINING about a "easy sampled beat"

 

[D-man]

You will find that every great producer in his time has looped a beat he sampled from a record for example pete rock ,dre, prmo ,diamond d the list goes on. If its dope its dope 9th is the best producer out there period at the moment paving the way for a lot of cats stop hating on him.

 

[bigdmakintrax]

I don't really gives FiZnuk about what you cats are spewing in relation to this kids abilities....All I am saying is I understand hip hop and the basis.....there not a lot of individual creativity that's all I am saying.....all this Sample time has spoiled the lazy producers......damn this nigga has 40 plus hours a week to dig vinyl or somebody already has told him damn that song would be dope....he goes and cops it.....there's no science to that....the classics Pete Rock and Primo....have done that...but sampling entire songs 20 second pieces of songs that are out and putting a half hearted drum pattern behind it not really exciting....I mean somebody that does that is not a producer...they're more like a Co producer or remixer..LOL...if 90% of the song is still intact......they havn't done a lot of that....they were forced to use their lil ol 5-10 seconds of max sample time...loop the small parts and then get a lil more creative instead of let a record that's been out be played almost thru then entirety then they put the cap on of ....?Hot Producer?...come on man.....he's good and I am not Hating...get reality and hating straight man.....I won't knock his hustle but too many people are up his you know what......and they can be doing the same thing....i'm not into idle worship....that's all....LOL

 

[N.A.R.]

No doubt D...that's some truthful ish right there...Alotta cats on here seem like they really believe if they can sample a record then they gonna make it, and it;s a lot more to it than that, it's gonna b really hard to break bread in tha industry w/o coming with something new...Like somebody down in the south, came up with screwed music(Im not sure, I think it was Dj Screw), that's hot in tha south and because of it, he blew, if ur'e not looking for mainstream success then that it is what it is, but if ur'e want mainstream success, then im certain something has to be brought to tha table instead of just a chopped record....

 

[MarkN]

No doubt D...that's some truthful ish right there...Alotta cats on here seem like they really believe if they can sample a record then they gonna make it, and it;s a lot more to it than that, it's gonna b really hard to break bread in tha industry w/o coming with something new...Like somebody down in the south, came up with screwed music(Im not sure, I think it was Dj Screw), that's hot in tha south and because of it, he blew, if ur'e not looking for mainstream success then that it is what it is, but if ur'e want mainstream success, then im certain something has to be brought to tha table instead of just a chopped record....

yo you've contradicted yourself there man first you saying you agree with D who has just said all 9th wonder does is loop other peoples records for his tracks and then you go on to say how you can't get into the industry by just looping old records ! well err according to you thats what 9th does and id say hes made it in the industry ! so.....

Hip hop started out with people looping old record breaks not even adding there own drums a lot of the time, and people would rap over them, that woz how it started it mad people then say people aren't real producers when they are doing a more evolved version of this ! are you saying people like premier arent producers coz he always uses samples ?
personally id say stuffl ike crunk and the real synth type beats are much less hip hop than 9th wonders beats for example, and its not fair to just assume sampling records is easier, some of the synth beats you hear for rappers are awful plinky plonky tinkerbell keyboard beats made by sum1 with no musical knowledge at all and it shows i can't play the keyboard but i can sample and i prefer the sampled sound so thats wot i do, i don't dislike people who don't sample, as long as their beats are good !

 

[gram green]

there is way too much of that on this site... the "its just a loop" shit... or theres not enough changes or this or that... and also the thing about synth beats should be given more credit for "puttin more work in" .. all that shit is stoops.. it either sounds good or doesnt.... why does shit have to come down to he aint got real skills.. he just let the record play.. etc.... everyone just got to have something to say i guess ...

 

[N.A.R.]

MarkN, keep doin what u doin if that's the way u do it do u baby...And how does either of us know how 9th got in? Juss because u heard 2 beats he made for DC, that's gotta be the way he got in huh? Well 1st off it's widely known that J has sessions with a lot of up and coming producers, im not sayin samplin is wack it's juss easy...and anything easy ain't gonna take u far...Man U just ttrying to make an arguement I didn't contradict myself, I said it was gonna b hard not impossible....Cats that sample make it easier for tha nonsampler to emerge, because while guys that's samplin is diggin for records not learnin any musical skills, U got some cat w an MPC and a keyboard on tha come up ready to blow....Ain;t but so many ways u can chop a record, but the skills behind tha keys r endless... Take it like u want it..How people gonna keep screamin Primo Primo, Primo been around since samplin was still new...not sayin he ain't hot cuzz he's blazin, but that's not a good example for arguement sake