and the MEANING is........???

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Equality 7-2521

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go ahead......define "Backpacker Hiphop"

little help....

this lable gets stuck on all kinds of artists that i like

what exactly are they saying about them

does backpacker = wack or is there more to it?

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I believe the label backpacker assumes that you are some sort of nerd in Hip-Hop music; a backpacker typically wouldn't make "thug music" or that the type of content that they rap about is somewhat light in topic or funny. They rarely speak about street life (not that we need another street narrative out of the million Hip-Hop songs that cover this) and maybe these are the type of people that smile when they take pictures (lord knows your not supposed to smile in Hip-Hop) and or they are not sticking their middle finger up and you! They may not cuss a lot on records and are typically good musicians and or artists or just creative in what they do, usually they pay close attention to lyrics and use alternative samples and other untypical elements in their compositions.
Just my observation and by the way I love all types of music and a lot of the cats I like may fall into the backpacker category.

I wonder if KRS-ONE has definitions such as this on temple of Hip-Hop?
 
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Both above descriptions are acurate. The underground scene went from street to college white cargo pants with backpack sort of scene. Me and my friends would show up on occation at one of these shows and people look at us funny for not wearing earth tones, beads around our necks and a backpack. This one guy even was surprised that we used to write graffiti because we didnt look like all the other typical backpack undergrounder. That whole look is corny to me when done on purpose. What the hell is in the backpack? Stuffed newspapers and sweatshirts.
 

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Good Music is Good Music...Whether its hiphop, rock, danchall,...ect...whatever................Theres always a stereo-type for a sub-genra usually just as there probably was when dr. dre's stuff wasnt popular yet. (just an example...theres countless other artists who you could depict in tha same way)..........Tha problem is that some of tha labels that these sub-genras get are a poor definition of what tha music really is or stands for - most likely cuz its a "stereo type", wheich generally follows some kind of dislike for tha other side in one way or another.
 
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Most underground i've heard that falls into that backpack category, is about one of three things. How commercial sucks and the sad state of hiphop, 2. How dope they are and will crush anybody. 3. Non sense metaphors and space topics.
 

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um..... i myself have caught that label by many people and it bugs me to no end. i actually had to live out of my backpack for like 5 years- (went awol from foster care at 16, took me 5 years to get an apartment.... long story) and it contained a change of clothes, my notebook for writing. my graf book, tapes and walkman. of course my tapes were liquid swords, muddy waters, wu tang, common, the roots, soundbombing 2, blackstar, things like that that were kind of the bridge between what the underground was and what is is now. the whole scene has changed. i dont really care for it now.....

i am a little bored with both sides of the fence..... dont care for the thugs or backpackers, because the thugs talk about the usual money, hoes and clothes.... and the backpackers are writing term papers, talking about outer space type of things, "in the future scientists will prove we never existed.." and it just doesnt appeal to me. i am not mc's who use hard r's when they spit..... (no offense hoppa..... just not my thing...) and both of them are useless to me....

the other thing is that backpackers are usually very integrated with the rave scene. in southern california we have audiotistic, and it is generally headlined by the roots but there is a slew of trance/house/jungle dj's there as well....
 
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From what ive heard

Backpacker = taking it back to the roots. the original idea of Hiphop which is positivity and creativity.

is that accurate?

if so, then why are all these so called "underfround heads" hating on it?

if not....please correct me
 

Shonsteez

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Man i dont even know what tha fuck backpacker is?...But i sure as hell know i aint one...tha only backpack i roll with is tha one with my notebooks and pens for school...Im not a hippie an i personally hate ravers and their gay fucking beads and glow sticks - but thats another story all together....Its all stereo types though....if people think "backpacker hiphop" is stuff like Atmosphere and Aesop Rock than ok i guess im a fucking backpacker!?...But whatever, its just another lame handle that has no meaning in my book.
I just like good hiphop. Period.
 
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word up duece word up

i dont care for stereotypes, but i do care to understand (the ignorance of) them
 

Phonetik

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Honestly, who gives a shit what it is. But from what I have seen it is what fills most underground shows. Atleast here on the east coast.
 

Shonsteez

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It must be different out here in tha west cuz i never see these over populated assfucks at tha shows ive been too?
I know tha crowd that your speaking of though...everyonce and a while it seems like tha occasional "backpacker" pops up at a show and they look like tha modern generation of hipppies or some shit!?
As for my earlier comment: i was simply trying to explain how too many times now ive heard people being associated with "backpacker" type music as if jus because they listen to a certain sub-genra of music it automatically entitles them to a oneway ticket to modern hippieizm?
Thats tha gay part i dont feel about tha whole - "your a backpacker" bullshit...Read my previous comment if your not on tha same page...
 

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...i always thought of backpackers as white kids...that are like hip hop hippies..into music like tha roots, atmosphere, jeru, and some that are into grafitti.. i got mad friends that have the "backpacker" mode about them..i think that its not a bad stereotype at all.....
 
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well it is never used as a compliment

its always used in a derogatory way
 

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HIP HOP/R&B - CONFLUENCE
Suburbs & Ciphers (Part I)
By D. L. CHANDLER

......... The term, "backpacker" is one that some may deem offensive while others welcome it. Simply put, it is a nickname given to those hip-hop fans whose passion for the music shuns mostly all commercial hip-hop releases - almost to a fault. The backpacker mostly dresses in loose fitting musical group shi rts and usually embodies the look of a morose college with a near empty backpack. Walkmans and portable players of all types are the requisite - and an insatiable appetite for having the latest, most obscure releases before all else. The backpacker hangs out in Internet chat rooms and message boards, arguing points until they too become pointless. The backpacker usually has more money to burn on music rather than food. The mentality of this fellow is simply to either be down with the underground program or be singled out as the enemy. It used to be you just saw them hanging in small packs at various hip-hop shows. Now, they've cornered themselves into cyberspace and dark enclaves throughout these various venues. The oddest thing about this phenomenon is that most of the "packers" are white, middle to upper class folks who seemed to care a bit too much. But that isn't a problem; it's just a fact I've observed. I wouldn't say that what I've typed here is law. I do not encourage the use of this term; it's just what is most commonly used.

I haven't been to a show lately where indie or lesser-known acts took the stage and the club wasn't packed to the nines with the suburbs' finest b-boys. This isn't to say that all of the "packers" I've seen are white boys with attitudes. Some of the members of Virginia's Team Demolition are black and don't deny the fact they are from the "Burbs". Members of underground favorites, Souls Of Mischief, aren't all from the hood. Three of that group's members split time between college courses, recording music and tours. It's possible to be a part of hip-hop culture and still have a posh zip code. I wonder, though, if the so-called packer set realizes how exclusive they've become. I have many friends and associates of all color - some are big hip-hop fans and some aren't. I've noticed that my affinity for some "aboveground" hip-hop artists has made me a bit of an anomaly. I feel out of place with them at times. I've always purchased it all - when I could afford to. It didn't matter if they were glitzy commercial or dusty underground. I wanted it on my shelves. If I thought it was good, I didn't care what my pals thought. I never considered myself a packer nor have I thought myself "elite" in my hip-hop knowledge. I know quite a lot about the culture. But that isn't anything one should feel makes them superior to other hip-hop fans.

The hip-hop collective Anticon released an EP titled "Hip Hop Music For The Advanced Listener" in 1999. This EP spawned an LP, "Music For The Advancement Of Hip-Hop". The artists that make up the collective, to my understanding, are all middle-class white men. Their race isn't a grave matter, however. I'm a huge fan of Irish-born rapper/singer Everlast. I've been following Eminem's career since 97. I loved the Beasties Boys in the 80s. I think El-P of Company Flow fame is one of the better producers and MCs out today. But for some black fans, they think this is signaling the end of black folks' dominance in hip-hop. Call me ignorant here, but I still see more black representation in Jazz (and hip-hop) than I do white. That is if you don't count the jazz styles of Kenny G and Candy Dulfer. If that's the jazz that whites are taking then Kenny, Boney James, and company can have it. In hip-hop, there's still plenty of room for everyone.

Anticon's music is a mix of good, bad, weird and flat-out ambitious. I didn't get it at first, and much of it I still don't. That seems to be the thing most underground "artsy" groups do. Confuse the heck out of your audience; make them work hard to understand you. Label it "art" and just let it flow, man. It's almost like the indie movement is our generation's beatnik/hippie era. Only the "cool" are in on the joke. Only the worthy can sit at the table of the knapsack gods. A lot of the net-packer favorites are just simply hard to get. If you've been reading this column, you've read that I carry my Walkman and sling pack everywhere. I think my preference of hip-hop tends to lean towards the lyrical rather than musical. I'm a well-read kind of guy so I'm impressed with an MC who uses words like "epicurism" and "virulence". Those kinds of words come across well over minimalist beats and nicely eq-d vocals. That isn't always the case with the smaller acts. In Anticon's case, some of the vocals are so painfully forced or delivered - there is almost no regard given to rhythm or cadence. Still, I'm glad the art is advancing on all levels. Kudos to them and other like-minded acts.

The suburban b-boy is alive and well. Most of the b-boy crews (breakdancers) are white or Asian. I haven't seen a black breaker since...who knows? All of the graf writers I meet are young white kids. All but one of the turntablists I know is non-black. Back in my day (the days of old, of course), we all got down together. That, if anything, is the most disturbing thing. The togetherness is gone. It's become this "us vs. them" situation - the commercial against the underground. The indie against the major label. It used to be just good vs. bad. At a local Hieroglyphics show I attended last year, I heard something rather disturbing. There was a group of white, supposedly down-ass b-boys in a cipher rhyming. When it was over, I heard one of the kids say, "It's a lot more black guys here than I would've expected. This is more our thing, right?" I walked over to him and asked him why he uttered those words. With the straightest face, this cat tells me that we (black people) abandon anyone that shows skill and that we'd rather party than check for skills. I won't lie; I wanted to knock this kid silly. But I realize I was a bit too old to be scuffling over his opinion - his statement not based in facts. I wondered if others shared his views in his suburban brotherhood. If so, I'm saddened by that.

So what is really going on? Is it theirs or ours?

What do ya'll think of this?????
 
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well i never heard of "backpacker" being a racial term.

cos anyone is saying it to anyone who listens to Anticon etc. no matter their skin colour

i see lots of the "backpacker" qualities in myself but there are others which i dont conform to.
 
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I'd just like to add I hate anticon with a passion and hope they die in a bus accident.
 
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