yamaha aquires stienberg. this could mean big things at some point.

[Cold Truth]

http://news.harmony-central.com/News/2004/Yamaha-Acquires-Steinberg.html

i am anxious to see the real fruits of this, since these are the two companies i will be rolling with the most as it is.

thoughts?

 

[bigdmakintrax]

Well most of the heavy hitters in the Keys and live performer gear business realize that not everyone wants a keyboard/workstations.....modules and plugins are rivaling anything that you can pack into, 61 or 88 key workstations......I think this merger is probably going to spawn some new products that are going to be cutting edge for home studio production....the thing is.....can they make it affordable and within reach of the home producer......I mean my first full fledged pieces of yamaha instruments was a couple of those cheap boards back in the day...and that DJX..the blue one...don't laugh I used that as a practice board because it was battery powered and i could take it anywhere...then I bought the RS7000 and Motif....I miss my yamaha studio but someday maybe I will rebuild it.....yamaha moves with what the people want........the only reason I love my triton is the touch screen interface.....if the MO had implemented that they could possibly put Korg out of the Triton biz....I played around on the ES and they sounds are better to my ear...

 

[Cold Truth]

yeah, the es sounds are *as good as it gets* at this point (overall).

its hard to say, really. the home production market has been bombarded with either with the all-in-one-workstation that clears out three months rent, or the low end, mediocre, gets-the-job-done-but-not-all-that-great-products that are relatively cheap but still a bit too pricey to invest in a lower quality product.

i hope this shores up the mid-range level somewhat. a workstation is a bit useless if i have all my sequencing, sampling, recording, and mixing all on my pc- all i need is sounds.

obviously everyone has different needs, but by and large i hope they start moving towards developing that mid range level more. modules are great but the VST has kind of slowed down those sales, although IMHO a hardware rack module has tremendous advantages over a vst instrument (overall- no cpu drain, the use of its internal effects, better overall quality for a workstation type sound source, to name a few).......

 

[bigdmakintrax]

I will definitely agree....the only rack module I ever had was a mo phatt and i used to have an S950...and it got me thru some times making beats.....I used that with logic and With Fruity loops.....but now that I got this triton taking up all of my space I think I am going to invest in the MO ES when it drops and that's it....I had a lot of Roland Gear TO...RS-5 and the RS-50 & the fantom X those boards have all of the old roland patches from the JV & XP series....I might pick up an old JV off ebay to satisfy my need for those sounds too.......but you know what one time I had this soundcanvas program..it had a lot of stock roland sounds in there....but it had problems running....it looks like a battle is going to be started between maybe Korg & Yamaha for king of the Hill......

 

[Cold Truth]

i am hearing that something major from korg is on its way at winter namm....but thats all i hear. no details. anything you know, d?

 

[Formant024]

I'm thinking this...Yamaha plugs suck hehehe bigtime...their vocalsynths were nice though but I dont think they will put a lot of effort on Virtual anything since steinberg has never really focused onto vst like projects, not succesfully anyway.

Second...Mlan...shit's underrated, combine that with Steinberg's interfacing skills and you got yourself another PT competitor. I think they're putting their money on that.

I also dont think there will be anything steinberg related embedded to hardware like gui's and engines, Yamaha is far to developed in that field.

I dont see any further progressive efforts, I mean, Cubasis will still be developed and is the moneymaker anyway, other than technological benefit probably the main reason Yamaha purchased Steinberg.

 

[Formant024]

Seems that Pinnacle had bought Steinberg previous to Yamaha with the intention to integrate their video utilities with Steinberg software but failed to bring something decent to the market. Overrated the value and made loss eventually and probably sold it cheaper again to Yamaha...who are now happy and know what to do with it.

 

[bigdmakintrax]

Main thing is I think this will work.....imagine something that you see already integrated on the Fantom boards with the color screen....but a keyboard workstation that you can load soundfonts, plugins and other VST's in the Chain.....I mean I love the filters and FX on my Triton X...but it would be great to add to it or load up some new Plug.....load a multisample....I think the all in one workstation is around the corner.....I think yamaha's proven soundness in the hardware arena make a better match for utilizing Steinberg.......the thing I see lacking in a board like the Triton and the Motif....is they need to have entirely separate routing for at least the snare, the kick and bass outputs even though you can do that with the inserts....they need to make that section so it doesn't digitally hurt the samples or thin them...thats my only complaint about having a synth like the Triton that is supposed to be a workstation and i still have to load drums in the MPC.....that's what i don't like......I can load the same kick in the mpc and the triton and there is no doubt the drum has lost nothing coming out of the MPC but any samples get thinned out in the Triton.....I know on the first motif I had that same problem....whatever they make they need to come to illmuzik and take questions on new products.....

 

[Formant024]

individual rout assignment should be able through the Mlan protocol, I think that their aim to embed their technoloy into steinberg's gui.

 

[Cold Truth]

yeah, i was abuot to say..... mlan really seems to be a key element here. thats the most revolutionary (and overdue) feature to come in hiome production taht i have seen since i have been doing this..... 16 mixable channels through a single wire, that makes for some serious workflow efficiency if you ask me........

 

[Formant024]

if people was wondering what or who's owning Korg etc etc... Yamaha owned Korg a few years ago, my guess is during the N serie models...Anyway, Yamaha bought 40% of the shares making them the boss but Korg has already bought back all of the shares.

Back on Yamaha, it seems they'll also quit making hardware based synths... so it might be that they'll go back to their dsp farm development...think of Clavia Nord Lead G2 engine and their synth interfaces...just like TC powercore stuff. So that's another development I assume to look at. Nuendo could probably be fitted with digital consoles like the DBX, such a package is a killer to PT, or Roland who bought Cakewalk, although roland has never put out a succesfull recording solution. Dont forget Apple who bought Emagic but I think they're still ahead in the race.