Why Do so many "Real Hiphop" heads diss keyboard beats?

[BeatOff]

Its probably 100 times more creative and complicated to make a dope beat using midi than chopping up a sample. Sampling is the easiest thing in the world to do. Its like nobody wants to step away and try something new, they assume its wack if its not sampled, please. Also whats wrong with sample Cds? Most big time producers now days use hi quality sample cd's, if its hot its hot period.

 

[fame_keyz]

ok when i first stated making beats i used samples but because my first sampler and drum machine was shitty i was better going with midi the beats where just more tighter that way.... but i use to not respect or like sample beat makers but i respect them hella lot more....just to sitt down and try to find this part or that part and put it together is a real talent. ok i dont like people who just loop samples...but the ones who take this and that and put it together i respect them. the reason i like to use my mpc and keyboard is just the fact i have a lot of control over the whole beat. sometiems with a sample your just stuck with what you got but sometimes thats all you need. i remember back when the keyboard beat maker started get props sample beat makers where getting put onthe shelf and piss off but it not like that thanks to the roc...the truth is we just need both too much of anything will kill hip hop so we need both.....

 

[BeatOff]

No doubt i still make sample beats but its funny how alot of cats think "Your not hiphop" if you dont sample. I thought there were no boundaries with hiphop, people are hypocrits. I like to incoorperate both sampling and playing stuff on my triton.

 

[tapesmith]

"You're not hip-hop if you don't sample," that's some other shit. How could you put a boundry of unoriginality on one of the most popular, influential cultures in the world. People are crazy, I just got another keyboard for xmas...you won't catch me tryin to sell it on ebay or something.

P.S. Alicia Keys just made a beat for nas on her KEYBOARD; food for thought.

 

[JPeg]

The reason some peeps dis keyboard beats is:
because they sound wack as FUCK!

Nah just playin some of the reasons are:

Cause the sounds u use come from a keyboard they tend to sound either over processed or dull, cold and lifeless. As a result many of the beats made by producers that use soley keyboards sound too clean and lack the warmth and grime that is characteristic of hip hop (the vinyl sound)

Also when u buy a keyboard ur getting maybe 1000 in built sounds and then only half of them r suitable for hip hop, and out of those hip hop sounds only half of those u like so that's like 250 sounds. so ur paying for nuff sounds u dont use then end up recyling all the same sounds on every beat u make.

Another issue is that many peeps say they use keyboards cause they wanna be original which is funny, when all these keyboard producers are using the IN-BUILT preset patterns to make they beats or as a template for the beats they make.

Further to that those who seek to be more original make me laugh because the cant actually play piano/keys and then end up playing a 4 note melody on an 88 key keyboard, and worse still often play the same melody on different soungs and try to hide they lack of skill by changing the voice used to play back the melody.

But personally i dont mind what u use as long as i think it sounds dope, aside from that its not about how complexed the process of making music is. I mean u could hook ur midi shit up to the internet and trigger it from ur mates house i dont care that dont earn no props if the end result sounds shit.

 

[JPeg]

many producers use keyboards like the ASR-10, and Triton and still combine sampling to give the warmth and soul that hip hop fans love examples can be found in peeps like jay dee, and kankick.

I think it would be foolish to dissmiss a producer of not being real because he uses a keyboard or does not sample.

But dont think that if u use a keyboard ur automaically more talented/ more orignal than someone that uses sampling.

A note on sample CD's: most of them r shit and sound cliche but if u find good sounds on one i see no reason not to use it.

Having said that when u by a machine with built in sounds or a sample CD everyone who has the same CD/equipment as u has the same sound and thus it creates similarities in the resulting music where as with a sampler i have access to the sounds i have mangaged to find, while someone else with the same sampler might have a totally different pallet of sounds.

 

[Briellz]

I found this sample CD collection with over 10,000 sounds...I got it for like 80 bucks..Its awsome to use!

There are some keyboard beats that are dope though...

 

[fame_keyz]

To me its just funny to see beat makers take sides now adays.......a lot of keyboard beat makers cant play the piano....but like timberland said he just choose not to learn because he dont want to to loose his foundation...i can respect that but me im teaching my self to play the keyz just because i want to sometimes just sit down and write out a beat before i even turn the power on. but im a long time away from that. o yea...to me i feel there is nothing called a hip hop or rap sound in a keyboard i just think some sounds fit better or are easier to use in beats...but if you really want to be on top no matter what you use(samples)or (keyz) you gotta do it a lil different anyways anybody can take a loop or once hit! right yes or no! and the same for keyboard beats anybody can just turn on a keyboard and just and use the presets. but a real sample beat maker is gona sit and dig to find something new....me im not that type but a real keyboard beat maker should spend just as much time tweaking there board to create and different sound...thats what i do.....we are all the same just from different ends of the stick......
...........o yea if someone told me im not hip hop if i dont sample i would and have told them im not hip hop im music.....thats what my goal is to just be respected for my music not the kind of music i make.....

 

[Pug]

I don't see any problems with either method... as long as you like what you make, who gives a fuck what other people think.

 

[BeatOff]

Originally posted by JPeg
The reason some peeps dis keyboard beats is:
because they sound wack as FUCK!

Nah just playin some of the reasons are:

Cause the sounds u use come from a keyboard they tend to sound either over processed or dull, cold and lifeless. As a result many of the beats made by producers that use soley keyboards sound too clean and lack the warmth and grime that is characteristic of hip hop (the vinyl sound)

Also when u buy a keyboard ur getting maybe 1000 in built sounds and then only half of them r suitable for hip hop, and out of those hip hop sounds only half of those u like so that's like 250 sounds. so ur paying for nuff sounds u dont use then end up recyling all the same sounds on every beat u make.

Another issue is that many peeps say they use keyboards cause they wanna be original which is funny, when all these keyboard producers are using the IN-BUILT preset patterns to make they beats or as a template for the beats they make.

Further to that those who seek to be more original make me laugh because the cant actually play piano/keys and then end up playing a 4 note melody on an 88 key keyboard, and worse still often play the same melody on different soungs and try to hide they lack of skill by changing the voice used to play back the melody.

But personally i dont mind what u use as long as i think it sounds dope, aside from that its not about how complexed the process of making music is. I mean u could hook ur midi shit up to the internet and trigger it from ur mates house i dont care that dont earn no props if the end result sounds shit.

I dont know anybody who would just use the raw sounds out of a keyboard and not tweak em when you tweak the sounds that come with a keyboard its like having all new sounds its endless. Another thing, what is a "Hiphop sound" if people just stuck with typical styles nothing new would ever come out of anything. Also when i say "Keyboard beats" i'm talking other synths as well as in racks etc, You can make them sound "Warm and grimey" with a simple turn of a dial. There's really no excuses as far as sound, that record warm sound is very old technology and has been easy to re-create on modern equiptment, cubase or protools can do that for you.

 

[Briellz]

I don't know how to play either....But I can play some nice shit by ear, and make up some nice stuff of my own.

 

[JPeg]

I agree modern technology can be used to evolve new sounds, and synths and other technologies can be made to sound any way peeps want.

But some folks get technology than get lazy, and they dont wanna spend time to tweak or look for different sounds.

I've heard nuff producers using keyboards and making dope shit like recent stuff from eligh and grouch of living legends, moka only (sometimes), jay dee, madlib used synths on YNQ, DJ spinna.

I agree the combination of classic styles and new skills is the way to move music forward, but some peeps is forgeting about the roots and as a result making some wack shit than tyna pass that shit off as innovation.

 

[JPeg]

Digging is about learning and understanding the contribution of a certain group of people to the musical history of America. If more people were to get out from behind their computers and hit up their local record stores, they'd learn to appreciate it more. Digging provides the opportunity to find records that you have heard about and also the chance to find 3 or 4 records that you weren't looking for. Then when you like the records that you stumbled upon, you end developing YOUR OWN musical taste. This whole internet revolution has people looking for the same thing!

People Under the Stairs
http://www.prhymemates.com/puts.html

Another thing u miss when using sample CD's or just tweaking keyboard sounds

 

[fame_keyz]

the truth is dog i dont dig....i dont sit behind my computer all day.
i dont own a record player....the dirty sound of a record dont turn me on.....but i do got a collection of music thats deep....when i take it back to the 60's and 70's never the 80's i just didnt like that era.....anyways when i take it back to them years i just do it to step out of the world im in now.....me im 22 and it shocks the hell out of the o.g.'s round my way when they hop in my car or hear the 12's bumpin some gap bad..blood stone...whispers and so on......i was told if you hear too much of some bullshit you will find ya self humming it too...well i try to not listen to too much of todays trendy stuff just to not find myself sounding like them but my style is as some say generic or keyboardish.....but i got soul in me cause i take it back to that i just do need to sample it....but i love how people who do sample freak it....the truth is i dont even really understand my sampler on my mpc yet....im just he midi man.....everything from back in the day because computers was played out so all you guys is doing is taking something that was already use....well thats what im trying too do its just that some of us didnt have a lil band or moms and pops could send us to learn the piano but we are good to just know how freak sounds......samples or no samples lets just get money and do the damn thang....ya dig

 

[JPeg]

cool i agree no matter how u make shit its all good long as u got (musical vision) and working towards making shit that is dope.

Besides u will probably make more money (be more popular) making keyboard beats.

peace

 

[fame_keyz]

Some may but im not a star type of person.....i keep to myself just lock me in a studio while who ever go to the club.....

 

[vitaminman]

Hey,

Uhhh, the clowns who say that making beats using a 'keyboard' are ignorant idiots. Sounds are either acoustic, analogue or digital: acoustic would be mic'ed guitars and drums, analogue would be some old synth with analogue oscillators, digital covers samplers and most modern synths.

Once you record it onto your hard drive, sampler or cd, it is digital.

So, the guys who sample records are in essence dealing with digital sounds in the sampler's RAM, which is absolutely no different than some little kid playing a trumpet sound from a toy keyboard in Wal Mart. The sounds are just a series of little 0's and 1's triggered by a MIDI note-on event and sent to the device's d/a convertors, where it is sent to your speakers...

I suspect that REAL producers would never say this, it's only the wannabe's who do to make themselves look more important than they really are.

Nick

 

[BundyDigital]

^wrong.

The sampled sound came from an actual "analogue" instrument. Your plastic trumpet sound came from some Japanese factory.

They ARE both digital, but there's a HUGE difference. You wanna know why we hate keyboards? Go to the 'beat this' forum.

 

[fame_keyz]

im not gona even say anything about what homeboy on top just said. fallback kid.

 

[BundyDigital]

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If you were talking about me, please elaborate.