While were at it - Who's the Most Overrated Rapper?
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MadScientist
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I can name a lot of over rated rappers and MC's but I would offend a lot of you so I'll keep my mouth shut and keep my opinions to myself. Theres too many sensitive people that are in these forums ... sometimes I wonder ......
I said 2pac was overated cause he was succesful for the wrong reasons, he was succesful cause he was a pissed of black man with a nice body and white women dug that, hence they bought his records...Whenever 2 pac was talking about social shit the majorty of the consumers didnt care but when he started talking about Balling, Weed, Bustin caps,LOVE love love they bought it , the only examples i can see are Changes, and Keep your head up...but pretty much he wasnt succesful cause of his skill which makes him OVERATED
themucka
"The man behind the Hits"
ill o.g.
YALLLL ARE JUST HATING.......... DAMMNNNNNNNNN
HOW CAN YOU SAY PAC... AND THEN BLAME IT ON WHITE WOMEN.. BUYING HIS MUSIC... THAT SOME RACICST SHIT RIGHT THERE...
listen i'm white as day.... i never bought a pac record.... obviously you got issues..
PAC WAS A GENIOUS... I DON'T KNOW ANY RAPPER WHO HAS RECORDED AS MUCH MATERIAL AS HE DID IN SUCH A SHORT OF TIME... NOBODY...
HE SET THE ROAD FOR DMX... AND ]JA RULE... AND THE REST THAT WEREN'T GOOD ENUFF 2 BE MENTIONED...
AND 50 ANOTHER BEAST... THAT FUCKAS .. RECORDED MORE BANGERS THAN ANY OF US CAN DREAM OF... 8MILIION... CMON....
YALL HATING ON HIM PUT JAMMING TO THERE SONGS IN YOU RIDE.. WITH YO FRIEND OR IN THE CLUB... CMONNNNN....
MOST OVERATED.. RAPPER... MAD SKILLS....
R
roddie digital
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got to be Em or 50, i mean geez, look at 50, dude can't even talk, let alone rap!
Cold Truth
IllMuzik Moderator
here we go again with this so0called "hating". the man isnt hating because of his choice. themucka, you are obviously out to sell millions yourself, right? you have a different view of what good is, and i am guessing that it leans more towards what sells,thats fine..... from what i have heard you will certainly do that...... but for those of us that dont beleive that sales=skills, that doesnt make us haters. that just means that we define talent in other ways. as far as mr blacks statement about white women, well ....... a lot more then just white women bought his records, everyone bought his records but of course with mr black white people will always be an issue with everything. pac wasnt succesful because white women loved him; he was succesful because he made the black men feel empowered by a false sense of worth with such an emphasis on money and basically being hard........ he was succesful because all the gangsters (now called thugs i guess. why are people proud to be "thugs" anyways? its like something to aspire to these days......) could relate to his message, which most people identify as "hit em up" and "this aint nothin but a gansta party"and "ride or die" "you dont want to F^*& wih me" ......... he was succesful because in the midst of all his so-called "realness" (shooting people doesnt make you real, talking about shooting people doesnt make you real, money doesnt make you real, hate to break it to some of you) he manged transform into a decent human being on a few others.... (dear momma, brendas got a baby, part time mother, keep ya head up, so many tears, changes, he does have a lot of these) so he pretty much hit n every level of society with his music. the problem being that most people adopted the whole "thug life" thing and ignored all of the positive things he he spoke about. and before everyone jumps on my case bout this, i have seen many people change their attitude completely as soon as one of his songs come on..... its the aggression that people are drawn to the most. his persona has taken him farther then his skills have, he really had a gift of drawing people into him and that is something that translates into everyday life, not just music. in my book he is very overated, but so is john lennon, so is elvis presley, so is michael jackson, so is every man that becomes such a mythical figure, because people get carried away to the point of worshipping these guys. its funny how we get all defensive about people we dont even know, never will know, and at best be able to be the next producer on a weak vocal that he recorded 10 years ago which will still sell heavily because of who he is, and for no other reason. that makes him overated to me.
themucka
"The man behind the Hits"
ill o.g.
SEE THAT WHERE I DISAGREE...
THE GUYS BEEN DEAD AND STILL SOUNDS BETTA THAN 90% OUT THERE...
PEOPLE ARE ALIVE..
THAT SONG WITH HIM AND TRICK... TIGHT.... .. that whole album was good
man people worship them stars like pac... bacause there everything they can't be...
"there more 2 it than just lyrics you right down... it's how you deliver them... how they fit you... the image you have... all are factors with these bigtime stars... "
50 & PAC got shot ... 99% of the people who hear there music never been shot...
he knows it... there a certain truth you can belive when you hear there music...
he not just talking shit... ( he is but there a certain truth you can believe..)
not like jigga... not like nas... nit like... the rest of them stars...
YOU NAMED ALL OF THESE PEOPLE JOHN LENNON/ ELVIS PRESLY/ MICHAEL JACKSON.. CMON... THESE ARE GIANTS...
JOHN LENNON... CMON BEATLE'S... YELLOW SUBMARINE, SGT PEPPER... TOP 5 BEST ALBUMS RECORDED ... WAY AHEAD OF THERE TIME....
ELVIS PRESLY.... IF YOU TAKE OUT THE SKIN COLOR ISSUE... AND MOVIES..
THE GUY COULD PERFORM.. HE HAD THE TOTAL PACKAGE...
CMON THRU PANTIES... AT HIM WHEN HE WAS 60 POUNDS OVER WEIGHT...
THAT'S STRAIT PIMPEN...
AND THE GREAT MICHAEL JACKSON.... DOG HOW COULD YOU....
THE GREATEST PERFORMER OF ALL TIME AT HIS PRIME... SORRY WAKE UP...
THERE AIN'T NEVER BEEN A 9 YEAR OLD THAT GAVE ME GOOSE BUMPS WHEN I HEARD THEM SING... THAT GUYS A FUCKING GENIOUS... THAT'S WHY HE SO FUCKED UP IN THE HEAD.....
WAKE UP... MJ NAW...
IT SEEMS LIKE THE ARTIST THAT SELL THE MOST.. YOU FELL ARE THE MOST OVERATTED ... 2 ME THAT'S SEEM A LITTLE FUNNY...
SO EVERYONE BUYING THERE RECORD AN IDIOT....
NO
KILLAH PRIEST OVERATTED... EVRYONE ON RAWKUS...( EXEPT KOOL G RAP, MOS DEF/ KWALI... ) THE WHOLE UNDERGROUND SEEN OVERATED...
SHIT ALL I USED 2 LISTEN 2 WAS UNDERGROUND MUSIC...
EVERYDAY.. SOULS OF MISCHIEF... ORGANIZED CONFUSION... HYRO... DEL....
AND ANY OTHER PEOPLE I WOULD HEAR ON MY ECKO MIXTAPES.......
AND UNDERGROUND STATION... BUT THEY HAVEN'T YET...
NOW THAT SHIT IS MORE DRUM N BASS.. SOFTWARE ISH....
PREMO ALCHEMIST... HAVOC... ARE SOME OF THE FEW ,, THAT STILL KEEP THE RAW ESSENCE OF HIP HOP THERE...
THE RESR IS JUST EXPERIMENTAL STUFF... THATS MORE SPOKEN WORD... AND RAMBLING OF THOUGHTS...
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The mucka
((HOW CAN YOU SAY PAC... AND THEN BLAME IT ON WHITE WOMEN.. BUYING HIS MUSIC... THAT SOME RACICST SHIT RIGHT THERE...))
I wasn’t saying as a blame I was just stating white women were his biggest consumers FACT!!!
((listen i'm white as day.... i never bought a pac record.... obviously you got issues..))
So you speak for all white people in the western Hemisphere?
Truth Told
((but for those of us that dont beleive that sales=skills, that doesnt make us haters. that just means that we define talent in other ways. as far as mr blacks statement about white women, well ....... a lot more then just white women bought his records, everyone bought his records but of course with mr black white people will always be an issue with everything.))
Okay heres my point, The number of black people in America as a whole lets ee about 14% on a good day, The number of those who are gangsters….much lower, there is no argument here pac selling 9 million records for him to be bought by all black people, gangsters blah blah blah, (and these people would have to listen to rap btw) he couldn’t sell that many records, NOW if you look at the Caucasian class, more then 70 Some odd precent of this country, then Yes its possible for 2pac to sell 9 million records, Quincy jones even said you cant sell a lot of records unless you have a large white audience, this is just a fact of life…
((HOW CAN YOU SAY PAC... AND THEN BLAME IT ON WHITE WOMEN.. BUYING HIS MUSIC... THAT SOME RACICST SHIT RIGHT THERE...))
I wasn’t saying as a blame I was just stating white women were his biggest consumers FACT!!!
((listen i'm white as day.... i never bought a pac record.... obviously you got issues..))
So you speak for all white people in the western Hemisphere?
Truth Told
((but for those of us that dont beleive that sales=skills, that doesnt make us haters. that just means that we define talent in other ways. as far as mr blacks statement about white women, well ....... a lot more then just white women bought his records, everyone bought his records but of course with mr black white people will always be an issue with everything.))
Okay heres my point, The number of black people in America as a whole lets ee about 14% on a good day, The number of those who are gangsters….much lower, there is no argument here pac selling 9 million records for him to be bought by all black people, gangsters blah blah blah, (and these people would have to listen to rap btw) he couldn’t sell that many records, NOW if you look at the Caucasian class, more then 70 Some odd precent of this country, then Yes its possible for 2pac to sell 9 million records, Quincy jones even said you cant sell a lot of records unless you have a large white audience, this is just a fact of life…
themucka
"The man behind the Hits"
ill o.g.
no you can't selll records if you don't have a larfe audience....
i hear everybody talking about when they go 2 some remote part of africa..../cuba/russia..// they all no and love 2pac....
if your good your gonna sell records... or at least have a long stay in the game ... like gangstar... mop.... del... i came name others....
and if 70% percent of the country was yellow... like the simpson....
he still would have sold 9million or more.... good music... is good music...
the great ones.... give the people what they want.....
i hear everybody talking about when they go 2 some remote part of africa..../cuba/russia..// they all no and love 2pac....
if your good your gonna sell records... or at least have a long stay in the game ... like gangstar... mop.... del... i came name others....
and if 70% percent of the country was yellow... like the simpson....
he still would have sold 9million or more.... good music... is good music...
the great ones.... give the people what they want.....
C
cashstill
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rather then me focusing on 1 particular artist
i'll name a few
(in no particular order and please spare me from such
in depth controversy
2Pac
Notorious BIG
KRS One
Rakim
NAS
Kool G. Rap
Scarface
Will Smith
The best of the East West and South! Hands Down
* Lighten Up Man, I was just bull crapping bout Will Smith
i'll name a few
(in no particular order and please spare me from such
in depth controversy
2Pac
Notorious BIG
KRS One
Rakim
NAS
Kool G. Rap
Scarface
Will Smith
The best of the East West and South! Hands Down
* Lighten Up Man, I was just bull crapping bout Will Smith
Cold Truth
IllMuzik Moderator
well..... i wasnt disagreeing with the fact that whites make up a large part of hip hop sales. all i am saying is that tupac has a diverse audience, but you for some reason singled out the white women. but the, what about hispanics, asiains, etc? a lot of different people bought his music. but your always like "i see white people" in everything....
as far as me thinking the artists that sell the most are overated, well, yup, because the artists that sales the absolute most are the people that everyone basically worships..... people lose would their damn mind when michael jackson, elvis, the beatles, etc. would come to town, girls fainting, everyone just freaks out. ... . . they're just people. they are great artsts, the greatest of their generations, but people act like they were Jesus or something (hell the beatles even said they were bigger then Jesus...), the way people get all carried away all the time....
and who cares about pac and 50 getting shot? some of you act like thats the greatest thing in the world. what, does that make them special now? like thats a badge of honor..... is that something to aspire to? that always gets brought up like its important. guess what? that doesnt make them any "realer" then the next guy. everyone has a story to tell, everyone has something they went through but for some stupid reason getting shot is held in such high regard.... its fine to use that as a selling point for your story, but when do you just get over it... its rediculous...
you want to know what REAL is? some of the things i have talked to a few guys about in here is real (you know who you are) ..... the things i grew up with were real..... but nowaday you have eminem and 50 and all they do is hype up the situations that led to their current success.....eminem... his mother wasnt a good mother, she was a druggie, em had no dad, he was picked on because he was white.....guess what? join the club! welcome to real life! as far as 50, he got because of the life that he lived, plain and simple. he lived because God chose to let him, not because he is just that tough. people act like he had something to do with surviving. are we supposed to impressed? how about living in the environment that he did, and actually NOT selling crack, not being a "thug" (what does that mean, exactly?) and not being the very poster child for black stereotypes? now that would impress me.
and... uh... never said anything at all about the underground. matter of fact, del irritates me just as much as 50, as well as his wannabe, aesop rock.. or souls of mischief, or heiro, or most of these other kids who spend all day trying to come up with new similies and metaphors for the word "sick"... did you assume that i must like these people because i dont like some of these other artists, or what?
as far as me thinking the artists that sell the most are overated, well, yup, because the artists that sales the absolute most are the people that everyone basically worships..... people lose would their damn mind when michael jackson, elvis, the beatles, etc. would come to town, girls fainting, everyone just freaks out. ... . . they're just people. they are great artsts, the greatest of their generations, but people act like they were Jesus or something (hell the beatles even said they were bigger then Jesus...), the way people get all carried away all the time....
and who cares about pac and 50 getting shot? some of you act like thats the greatest thing in the world. what, does that make them special now? like thats a badge of honor..... is that something to aspire to? that always gets brought up like its important. guess what? that doesnt make them any "realer" then the next guy. everyone has a story to tell, everyone has something they went through but for some stupid reason getting shot is held in such high regard.... its fine to use that as a selling point for your story, but when do you just get over it... its rediculous...
you want to know what REAL is? some of the things i have talked to a few guys about in here is real (you know who you are) ..... the things i grew up with were real..... but nowaday you have eminem and 50 and all they do is hype up the situations that led to their current success.....eminem... his mother wasnt a good mother, she was a druggie, em had no dad, he was picked on because he was white.....guess what? join the club! welcome to real life! as far as 50, he got because of the life that he lived, plain and simple. he lived because God chose to let him, not because he is just that tough. people act like he had something to do with surviving. are we supposed to impressed? how about living in the environment that he did, and actually NOT selling crack, not being a "thug" (what does that mean, exactly?) and not being the very poster child for black stereotypes? now that would impress me.
and... uh... never said anything at all about the underground. matter of fact, del irritates me just as much as 50, as well as his wannabe, aesop rock.. or souls of mischief, or heiro, or most of these other kids who spend all day trying to come up with new similies and metaphors for the word "sick"... did you assume that i must like these people because i dont like some of these other artists, or what?
themucka
"The man behind the Hits"
ill o.g.
i ain't feel like being shot a bdge of honor.....
obviously... you never been touched by music... the way some have....
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t's like this tho.... in my humble opinion..
9/10 have everyday life.... when they get home or finsh whateva there doing.. they wanna relax... they wanna feel good... or just feel..... now when they listen 2 that music... it's getting them 2 relax... there feeling this.... subconsiously or conciously.... they start 2 relate.... wether it's going 2 clubs... dealing with pain... dealing with social issue.... or that gangsta shit..... or some shit it don't matter...
my point is music gets personal..... and the more areas of people you can get 2 relate 2 your music the stronger you'll be.... like pac... and biggie....
i tell everybody this ..... 50 would have been with out... dre and eminem... granted are they a perfect fit ... yes...
but he still would have sold more than 2 mill....
i'm tired of this... i'm interested don't know who is the most underatted....
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obviously... you never been touched by music... the way some have....
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t's like this tho.... in my humble opinion..
9/10 have everyday life.... when they get home or finsh whateva there doing.. they wanna relax... they wanna feel good... or just feel..... now when they listen 2 that music... it's getting them 2 relax... there feeling this.... subconsiously or conciously.... they start 2 relate.... wether it's going 2 clubs... dealing with pain... dealing with social issue.... or that gangsta shit..... or some shit it don't matter...
my point is music gets personal..... and the more areas of people you can get 2 relate 2 your music the stronger you'll be.... like pac... and biggie....
i tell everybody this ..... 50 would have been with out... dre and eminem... granted are they a perfect fit ... yes...
but he still would have sold more than 2 mill....
i'm tired of this... i'm interested don't know who is the most underatted....
and th
Cold Truth
IllMuzik Moderator
nah, i have been touched by music the last 10 years of my life. i have been on my own since i was 15 and on the street and all i had was my bag with some clothes and my walkman. i had tupacs me against the world, all eyes on me, and 2pacolypse now wu tangs forever and biggies life after death. and liquid swords and muddy waters.........those tapes gave me some things to think about besides the b.s. that was going on..... then i had dmx and mobb deep, but the thing was while all those albums were great to me and i related to a lot of it, and they helped me get through that time, they also made me want to live that life, to stay on the street and sell, to get blunted and drunk, it made me think and say women are bitches and good for sex and nothing else....but that didnt get me anywhere. i related, but it also brought me down.
themucka
"The man behind the Hits"
ill o.g.
BIG GUY ... MY BOY PUSH BUTTON OBJECTS SELLS 250,000 JUST IN JAPAN EVERY RECORD HE PUT'S OUT...
HE'S DONE TRACKS.. WITH DELS AND CANIBAL OX....
WHAT DO YOU THINK PAC.... DOES.... HOW DO YOU THINK MOST UNDERGROUND ARTIST SURVIVE.....
FOREIGNERS EAT THAT SHIT UP JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO....
WHEN I'M IN LONDON..... AMERICAN HIP HOP.... MAINSTERAM
SAME IN AMSTERDAM... EGYPT... KOREA.... PERU...
EVERYEHRE I GO OUTSIDE U.S...
I SEE LOVE 4 HIP HOP... AND THESE GUYS BUY IT... TRUST ME....
THESE ARE WHERE THE MOST PYCHO FANS OCCUR... THEY FEEN 4 ARE COUNTRY CULTURE.... AND IT MAKE THEM WANT 2 INDENTIFY EVEN MORE WITH PERSON....
I FON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW IF YOU SELLING 9 MILL IN U.S
YOU SELLING 3-6 MILLION AROUND THE WORLD...
JIGGA...ALWAYS GET 3 MILLION ON WORLDWIDE SALES.... AT LEAST...
HE'S DONE TRACKS.. WITH DELS AND CANIBAL OX....
WHAT DO YOU THINK PAC.... DOES.... HOW DO YOU THINK MOST UNDERGROUND ARTIST SURVIVE.....
FOREIGNERS EAT THAT SHIT UP JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO....
WHEN I'M IN LONDON..... AMERICAN HIP HOP.... MAINSTERAM
SAME IN AMSTERDAM... EGYPT... KOREA.... PERU...
EVERYEHRE I GO OUTSIDE U.S...
I SEE LOVE 4 HIP HOP... AND THESE GUYS BUY IT... TRUST ME....
THESE ARE WHERE THE MOST PYCHO FANS OCCUR... THEY FEEN 4 ARE COUNTRY CULTURE.... AND IT MAKE THEM WANT 2 INDENTIFY EVEN MORE WITH PERSON....
I FON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW IF YOU SELLING 9 MILL IN U.S
YOU SELLING 3-6 MILLION AROUND THE WORLD...
JIGGA...ALWAYS GET 3 MILLION ON WORLDWIDE SALES.... AT LEAST...
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