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[MIKELABZ]

Enought Politics, Beatz Is Lyphe.

 

[tricky spinz]

beats are life until the gov. comes into your house and steals your equipment because they say you're promoting rebellion with your crazy hip hop music. lol, then you realize how much politics is part of your life and you'll wish you realized it sooner.

 

[Cold Truth]

aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh tricky you a funny dude....

 

[MIKELABZ]

1.govt Taking Over My Beatz?
[x]check.
2.govt Taking Over My Lyrics?
[x]check
3.supporting Mainstream Media?
[x]check
4.still Hustling Regardless?
[x]check

 

[pirell]

my beef is MUSIC and race:

i had an argument with a friend, he said that eminem sold so many albums inthe US and around the world cos he's white, and if he was black he woulda sold half, and not featured in as many mags to further boost his career either. eminem show sold 8 million copies in the us and did about 15m worldwide in total. and em was or is regarded as a genius..blah blah. so my buddy says its all cos he'as white. i disagreed, and said it was cos he's different, AND good, and he deserved his success.

so outkast come along the following year, and sell 9m in the US (will be 10m by february)..and they are all black.. so hmmmm doesnt that pick a hole in his accusations? a further point is that he mentioned justin timberlake with his justified album selling 2m in the US, and there was all this hype about justin replacing Usher blah blah...so usher comes along and releases his album and booom sells 5m (6m by february according to soundscan).... so once again my buds theory is blown to pieces.

is it not right for me to say that if you're really good and stand out..color doesnt matter in music?

 

[classic]

is it not right for me to say that if you're really good and stand out..color doesnt matter in music?

Nope....

sorry, race matters like a motherfucker, espically here in america. Emiemn wouldent be able to get away with half the shit he does if he were black. And your friend is right, he wouldent have sold nearly as many ablums. The simple fact of the matter is that enmiem being "white" allows him to bend corners that other hip hop artists couldent.the fact that he is white adds "shock value"

Dont get me wrong either, im not takin away from em's talent. He is most def in the top 5 MC's But the shit he say crazy. America aint havin a black man sayin all that shit that EM says.


class....

 

[MadScientist]

Color only matters if you allow it to .... I don't believe that sh!t ... If you really broke it down and wanted to apply race as a reason, it would be because eminem has a broader spectrum of races listening to his music then most artist. That's why he sold so much .... It's like the glass is half empty or half full, your either negative or positive .... I don't dig for reasons and make race an issue unless it's being brought up to offend someone. There is no doubt that Em is white. but to say that his success or the number of albums sold is because of him being white is wrong. For someone to even bring that up basically continues the racist problems we have to today and it just adds fuel to the fire. I also think it's what part of the country you live in that makes you see things differently because I'm in Cali and see things and experience things differently then someone that's in the south. So through life experiences we have different opinions and views.

 

[massikrbeats]

My procrastination.

A while back I always wanted to craete a magazine soley based on music production. I was going to try and get interviews from the top producers and have reviews on hot new equipment. but nooooooo, i didn't think anyone would wanna buy that kinda mag. "there wouldn't be that many subsctribers" i said over and over...then WHAM!!! or should I say....

SCRATCH

big ups to the mag

 

[classic]

Don’t get me wrong scientist, I hate people who bring up race all the time also. (notice I only bring it up during interesting topics like this one)

Race does matter in every aspect of this country. including hip hop. Like most forms of American music it was started in the African American culture.

Originally hip hop was For African Americans, by African Americans (I can still argue that it is, but that’s a different topic). Obviously things have changed. But fact of the matter is that emiemn being white enabled him to exploit the race card for shock value. He would not have the nearly the same amount of media exposure if he was black.

Now luckily Em is talented as hell an is able to keep his rep. But the race card still plays a BIG deal for em selling records. That’s just the way it is

I also think it's what part of the country you live in that makes you see things differently because I'm in Cali and see things and experience things differently then someone that's in the south. So through life experiences we have different opinions and views.

I agree to a certain point. Your right experience and location does count. I have seen things that most people on this sight have not been exposed to. But the race thing is prevalent in all areas of this country. Of course it may be more blatant down in FLA. But Cali has its issues to. It really comes down to a matter of if you’re the oppressed or not. If your white, living in Cali ,Alabama or NY of course your going to think race shouldn’t be a big deal. But if your black living in those areas, it’s a totally different story.

Class…

 

[Cold Truth]

ahhhhhhhhh

a few question:

when a WHITE mc gets played on a rock station, the fact that he is white plays no role? even though no other rapper cares for him?

mainstream, white america didnt give a FUCK ABOUT outkast when they were talkin abuot real shit..... but when andre starts singin and playin guitar, "DUDE! I LOVE THAT NEW GROUP, OUTKAST!" but i still didnt hear andre on rock radio... you wont hear mos def/black jack johnson on mainstream rock radio....

race definitely plays a major role. how big, thats debatable.

 

[bigdmakintrax]

Hey man it's a different world ya know...but you have to grow and everyone is a product of their environment....I had the misfortune of during my adolescence of accompanying someone to a baseball game up in the rural country of VA.....and then at like 11 being asked hey ni**ger what are you doing here?....and the white people I went with got into a big fight over that.....I have had the misfortune of being called that to my face twice...in life in a very negative way....most people on this site won't identify with that......or I have actually been to some hip hop spots in a 10 year span and seen the culture and faces change...I remember fight the power, flava flav and VA Beach being Tore the F up there was soooo much hip hop music speaking against oppression of the people that were the underdogs in society made by those same people so lets not ever forget that and try to somehow minimize hip hop music because it wasn't music being produced for the kid out in suburbia with 2 parents a garage and a dog...........so I think the people that quickly jump out on a cat like classic that see it from his perspective and never saw the ugliness of people should reserve their comments....I mean I seen the whole hip hop generation change to where it is now...and yes the faces have changed and yes Eminem in my opinion made it more acceptable for peeps that listened from afar or really had no connection to start listen and even start producing......it took producers like the Alchemist also...that mind you have been involved from the street level to make production more appealing to folks that where producing Dance or trance music or had 0 concept of hip hop and maybe the 1 dimensional aspect.....hearing it....an knowing nothing at all about any other aspect.....but music is supposed to be universal but if you look at history it has always taken someone that to make it more digestible for the masses like and Eminem or and Elvis or the Beatles....James Brown, Chuck Berry was a lil too funky for the masses and so was lil richard....but thats a whole notha story....I think that Walk this Way with Run DMC was also another Bridge that hey....this music can have a crossover appeal if presented correctly....

 

[classic]

but music is supposed to be universal but if you look at history it has always taken someone that to make it more digestible for the masses like and Eminem or and Elvis or the Beatles....James Brown, Chuck Berry was a lil too funky for the masses and so was lil richard....but thats a whole notha story....I think that Walk this Way with Run DMC was also another Bridge that hey....this music can have a crossover appeal if presented correctly....

WEll said big D, your right it always has to bee someone with that main stream appeal to make the music more accpeted

 

[Cold Truth]

i agree completely....

but i do believe that his race plays a role in him being more accessable to mainstream america.

 

[gram green]

Originally hip hop was For African Americans, by African Americans (I can still argue that it is, but that’s a different topic).

im not sure that is exactly correct....

 

[classic]

my opionion

im not sure that is exactly correct....

Think about it, all cultures and ethicnites are invited to participate in hip hop culutre. But when they do they adopt many black cultural mannerisms(dress,slang,etc) Alot of people dont have any context for what they copying or emulating. They just do it casue other people do it.

Hip hop is world wide now and i have to come to terms with that.(illmuzik had helped me see that) But 99% of hip hop comes down to this.

If (urban)black americans aint feeling it, it aint gonna selll and other people aint gonna feel it. your not gonna see black urban youth imitating white kids in the suburbs or (black or white) kids in the UK, germany or france

its a trickle down effect. Shit starts in the black american urban enivroments and spreads everywhere else So thats what i mean when i say hip hop music is made for (urban)african americans

Bring on the contraversy.....
(regonize that this is my opionion and im not out to offend or purposly piss of anybody)

clas...

(i think we had a topic about this earlier)

 

[The Bastard]

Think about it, all cultures and ethicnites are invited to participate in hip hop culutre. But when they do they adopt many black cultural mannerisms(dress,slang,etc) Alot of people dont have any context for what they copying or emulating. They just do it casue other people do it.

Hip hop is world wide now and i have to come to terms with that.(illmuzik had helped me see that) But 99% of hip hop comes down to this.

If (urban)black americans aint feeling it, it aint gonna selll and other people aint gonna feel it. your not gonna see black urban youth imitating white kids in the suburbs or (black or white) kids in the UK, germany or france

its a trickle down effect. Shit starts in the black american urban enivroments and spreads everywhere else So thats what i mean when i say hip hop music is made for (urban)african americans

Bring on the contraversy.....
(regonize that this is my opionion and im not out to offend or purposly piss of anybody)

clas...

(i think we had a topic about this earlier)

THERES WHITE AND SPANISH KIDS IN THOSE BLACK URBAN ENVIREMENTS TOO, LIKE MY DOG A-BIGGS ,POVERTY KNOWS NO FACE

 

[gram green]

your right about everything you said EXCEPT for its urban cats not just black america settin the trends ... if you substitute urban americans everywhere you said black you would be %100 percent correct ... there is definately a higher percentage of black folks in most urban areas .... so it may be more black dominated, but as far as hip hop in the park when it started there was a damn near equal mix of puerto ricans, whites, and blacks.... and that dress and slang again is more urban than just black... i aint actin like it dont happen cuz you allways see these suburban white kids runnin round sayin nigga and shit and i hate that as much as the next man, believe me... but i definately feel it wasnt ever a for us by us type deal... and like my man said poverty knows no face, street is street, i know some beougious ass blacks that act whiter than white so stereotyping is all it is to say that....

 

[classic]

THERES WHITE AND SPANISH KIDS IN THOSE BLACK URBAN ENVIREMENTS TOO, LIKE MY DOG A-BIGGS ,POVERTY KNOWS NO FACE

Im definaly not saying that whites and hispanics did not particpate. But lI still stand by the fact that AFrican american culture is responsable for 99% of the hip hop trends etc... EVen the hispanics and whites that are down adopt many african american culltural mannerisms. Basically they were "assimulated' into black culture
(ex look af fat joe running around callin eveybody n*gga)

i know some beougious ass blacks that act whiter than white so stereotyping is all it is to say that....

Gram your right on this point casue i know alot of beougious black people also(im in graduate school). and if u noitce, i made sure I emphasized Urban black americans. Just becasue your black does not mean you can relate to hip hop. I have been all over the world and witnessed this. Many africans feel the same way about hip hop that white americans do. But i still feel that Hip hop is and central aspect of black american culture. Others are welcome to particape but u have to follow the lead of urban black amerians

class...

 

[StressWon]

Think about it, all cultures and ethicnites are invited to participate in hip hop culutre. But when they do they adopt many black cultural mannerisms(dress,slang,etc) Alot of people dont have any context for what they copying or emulating. They just do it casue other people do it.

Hip hop is world wide now and i have to come to terms with that.(illmuzik had helped me see that) But 99% of hip hop comes down to this.

If (urban)black americans aint feeling it, it aint gonna selll and other people aint gonna feel it. your not gonna see black urban youth imitating white kids in the suburbs or (black or white) kids in the UK, germany or france

its a trickle down effect. Shit starts in the black american urban enivroments and spreads everywhere else So thats what i mean when i say hip hop music is made for (urban)african americans

Bring on the contraversy.....
(regonize that this is my opionion and im not out to offend or purposly piss of anybody)

clas...

(i think we had a topic about this earlier)

WHAT? Class I have to disagree homie.

First off, Hip Hop derived from inner cities, but there were also Latinos there too when the culture started. Ya gotta look at the foundation to see what I mean,,,,Af/Americans did 99.9% of the rhymin in the beginning, but the Rock Steady Crew was predominantly Latino, as were the artists rockin the aerisol cans man. Now thats just 3 elements. As far as cultural mannerisms,,,thats just Hip Hop. I mean I was rockin shell toes and sayin "Fresh" and "Def" back then. (and I'm White,,,really white)Thats just because the it was in my hood. My hood was a meltin pot too. There were all kinds and we all were just the product of the Culture.

And Urban Black Americans arent determinin what sells. Dog, if that were true, there wouldnt be so much crap out there. Studies show the majority of the record sales of Hip Hop Music comes from the Suburbs. Dude, most of my Af/American peoples here can't stand Nelly, yet he can drop 2 different albums and still dominate the charts? The "Supposed Hip Hop Market" is white girls and white boys around 10 to 18 who buy this music. It's a statistic and a sad one at that.

Bottom Line:

It just sucks that 20+ years after the birth of Hip Hop,,,it still comes down to race and money. (not talkin to you directly Class,,,,lol) But the majority. These kids no matter what the color, dont know true Hip Hop is about. Don't know the culture that comes with the music. Shit, even some cats on here don't know the deal.

And latinos werent included into the mix back in the 80's when it all began because they weren't "Marketable'" back then. The truth hurts but so does "Corporate America".

 

[MadScientist]

everything has to be a race issue ... WHY?

I could care less if african americans are 99% responsible for hip hop and thier trends. I know the history and I pay respect to the people that started it or had a part in it or whatever you want to call it.... but again I pay respect to the "people" not "black" people or "white" people ... just plain old "PEOPLE"..... that's what they are! why must I label them a race? what point does that make? that's like announcing during a football game "The afican american quarterback, Michael Vick threw 3 touchdowns" ... why can't it just be "Michael Vick threw 3 touchdowns" ????????? There is only one race .... The human race. ...... Fuck the bullshit ...