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LDB

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It's ignorant tro even think that ya beats are better on a certain platform. I heard dudes on Reason that are WAAACCKK! It;s the beat maker.


I don't think anybody is actually implying that. I think for instance, what Skid is saying is that "he" feels the quality of his production (is now and could have been much better earlier) had he got down with Reason sooner. Reason probably gives him more resources for doing the things he couldn't do with FL. As far as throwing around the word "WAAACCKK", that can be applied to anybodys shit you don't like. A flow can be waaacckk, a beat can be waaacckk...depends on the listener. 2 each his own!

point black.game over! insert coin!


"Point black".....ah ha ha ha ha...correct that shit OM. Let me get up out of this Fruity thread....yall can have that skittles software.......bon appetite!

SEPTEMBER 26......REASON 4.0....THE TAKE OVER!
 

StressWon

www.stress1.com
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 68
It is to each his own. Don't get it twisted, Reason is crazy! I've made a couple beats wit it, but I havn't learned how to properly use that. But after next week, Fury slides thru and schools me on it,,,I'll have a final say. LOL, depends on sounds too.
 

skidflow

Boom Bap is precious art
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 220
I don't think anybody is actually implying that. I think for instance, what Skid is saying is that "he" feels the quality of his production (is now and could have been much better earlier) had he got down with Reason sooner. Reason probably gives him more resources for doing the things he couldn't do with FL. As far as throwing around the word "WAAACCKK", that can be applied to anybodys shit you don't like. A flow can be waaacckk, a beat can be waaacckk...depends on the listener. 2 each his own!

Thank you!...and if you really want to get down to it...when you have better sounds, you sound better. Take Fl stock sounds and try to make beat, then do the same with Reason and see what you come up with. Of course cats can do certain things to inhance FL such as sampling and whatnot...but you have to sample everything. In Reason I can add to my samples using the sounds in Reason because the sounds are better and when you have better sounds....I thought it took to long to make beats in Reason in the past but guess what I spent just as much time looking for sounds such as clean horns and various basslines and whatnot to sequence in FL. With Reason I can take maybe one sample and build around that just by tweeking the effects...ooooohhhhh!!! Lets not even get into the effects processing. I'm done yo!
 

Da IllFellaz

Knee Deep In Da Beats
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 125
When u go from hardware to software you expect a drop off but the FL drop off was too dramatic. Stock sounds where terrible and if you have to tweak every little thing to get a bigger sound it's not worth fukkin wit IMO. Reason sounds are not hardware quality either but they are real close. (And yea OM..I should work for Propellerheads....lol) FL better step there game up because Reason 4.0 is light years ahead of them.

p.s. it's a given that nothing matters if you can't put it down musically. you can have a million dollar set up and if you suck.....u suck...ain't that right OM? j/k as well! lmbao



first, if you using stock sounds in FL then you dont know what you are doing....

second, we use a combination of hardware and software. the best of both worlds....

three, like it was already stated, its not the program, its the user...

you can make beats on a fisher price keyboard and it can be wack as hell or hot as fuck. its not the keyboard, its the user.

nomezzy
 

LDB

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ill o.g.
Battle Points: 73
first, if you using stock sounds in FL then you dont know what you are doing....

second, we use a combination of hardware and software. the best of both worlds....

three, like it was already stated, its not the program, its the user...

you can make beats on a fisher price keyboard and it can be wack as hell or hot as fuck. its not the keyboard, its the user.

nomezzy

Reason has very good stock sounds, FL doesn't as you've conceded which means you get fucked from the getty up(what r u buying it for...the sequencer)! If you just want a sequencer get an MPC! "The user" shit is a mute point...who doesn't know that? And you saying someone doesn't know what there doing because they want to use what they paid good money for rather having no choice but to use VSTs or sampling every sound is your opinion....those are like assholes...everybodys got one!
 

Da IllFellaz

Knee Deep In Da Beats
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Battle Points: 125
i dont use many vst's, nor do i sample much anymore. and compared to n mpc, $100 to $1,000 is a big difference. u can use that $900 on a rack/keyboard to get sounds and record it rite into FL. n mpc got NO SOUNDS in it, so what r u sayin? u would have to put the $1,000 and the $900 for the rack/keyboard jus to make noise. i still dont understand your point.
 

LDB

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Battle Points: 73
i dont use many vst's, nor do i sample much anymore. and compared to n mpc, $100 to $1,000 is a big difference. u can use that $900 on a rack/keyboard to get sounds and record it rite into FL. n mpc got NO SOUNDS in it, so what r u sayin? u would have to put the $1,000 and the $900 for the rack/keyboard jus to make noise. i still dont understand your point.


My point is this....if the stock sounds in FL are bullshit what are you using it for? If you're using it basically just as sequencer why not get the best sequencer in the game which is without a doubt the MPC. I guess I get your point though...FL is cheap! The cheap way is not always the best way though. And as far as racks...your racks are without limits in Reason. It's the only software out that actually mimics hardware. You can have 50 sound modules going at one time. Now if your point if financial....how many of us can afford 50 rack mount sound modules? Nobody I know can't do that when the good shit can cost a grand or better....do the math! U got that luxury with Reason. That's why I prefer it over FL. And when dudes get a load of the new module in Reason 4.0 they will flip. Look at this potnah...FL don't have shit that looks like this! Click the thumb nail below. It's the mighty Thor....lol...it will change the software game! click the thumbnail and be amazed. It's a beast....I beta tested it for 3 months...there is no hardware that can fuck with it let alone fruit loop!
 

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Da IllFellaz

Knee Deep In Da Beats
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 125
i could care less about stock sounds. i dont need stock sounds. all those sound modules in Reason r basically the same as vst's in FL.

and i am not only using it as a sequencer. sequencer, recorder, mixer, editer, etc. i can do WATEVER I WANT in FL. its pretty much that simple. on top of that, there is still SOOOOO much shit in FL that i still dont even know.

n how bout we dead all this, how bout we have a friendly FL vs. Reason beat battle.

Have a few FL heads go up against a few Reason heads n see what happens bracket ncaa style.

Fade?
 

skidflow

Boom Bap is precious art
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 220
Like I said, I can make heat in both programs but Reason is the better program...but like most have said including myself, its all how you freak it. Its sequencing techniques in FL that I learn to do that I cant do in Reason...just yet! I'm still new to the software but as far as the sound quality of my beats, its certainly stepped up...all the other shit will fall in place as I elevate. But I can load a sample up in Fl and then load the same sample in Reason, I can do so much effectswise in Reason as opposed to FL. Who knows I'll probably reflect back to FL from time to time especially if I'm looking for that "dirty' feel to a track, but right now Reason is that heat...you just cant deny it. I was just like most Fl users..."defending it to the death!"...hay man...it was a bitter pill to swallow beleive me...BUT THAT BATTLE...ITS WHATEVER YALL!
 

Font

Producer / Sound Designer
ill o.g.
Let's stop this B*S of comparison! I'm a die hard FL User and my shit is pro at the end of the day.
But if your choice is Reason, Logic, Cubase, Acid or Pro-Tools it don't matter man, do what you gotta do.

Make music and quit the verbal diarrhea!!!
 

konceptG

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
I've used both for years. Reason's weakness is it's lack of VST support. That alone pushes FL Studio directly in front of Reason in many ways. Being a modular app gives FL the edge that Cubase, Logic, and ProTools already have, and it's something Reason will likely NEVER have.


Want full on sample manipulation? Get Kontakt and add it to FLS

Want a monster modular synth? Add Reaktor to FLS.

Want one of the best Rhodes/Wurli sounds available? Add Lounge Lizard to FLS.

Want world-class SSL sound? Add Waves SSL4000 to FLS

Want an analog-modeled mastering suite? Add T-RackS to FLS.


The possibilities are limitless, unlike Reason. With Reason, you get what Propellerheads gives you and that's it. With FL, you can add and expand to your heart's content, just like Cubase, Logic, Sonar, and ProTools.

Just like you can buy new refills for Reason, you can buy whole new synths for FLS. You can't add 6OP FM Synthesis to Reason, but you can with FLS. You can't add true modular synthesis to Reason, but you can with FLS, Can't load Roland, Ensoniq, Emu, Kurzweil, or most other sample formats in Reason, but you can add that capability to FLS.

I still have Reason 2.5 and still use it on the odd occasion, but find that if I ever feel like I need to rewire it to Cubase for additional synths or whatnot, I should just be using FLS instead. The only thing I prefer to do in Cubase more than FLS is record vocals, and Reason can never do that (but FLS can!).


Oh... I've looked at Thor, the new quasi-modular synth that Reason 4 will have... Looks cool, but nothing compares to Reaktor for modular synthesis.
 

LDB

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ill o.g.
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I've used both for years. Reason's weakness is it's lack of VST support. That alone pushes FL Studio directly in front of Reason in many ways. Being a modular app gives FL the edge that Cubase, Logic, and ProTools already have, and it's something Reason will likely NEVER have.


Want full on sample manipulation? Get Kontakt and add it to FLS

Want a monster modular synth? Add Reaktor to FLS.

Want one of the best Rhodes/Wurli sounds available? Add Lounge Lizard to FLS.

Want world-class SSL sound? Add Waves SSL4000 to FLS

Want an analog-modeled mastering suite? Add T-RackS to FLS.


The possibilities are limitless, unlike Reason. With Reason, you get what Propellerheads gives you and that's it. With FL, you can add and expand to your heart's content, just like Cubase, Logic, Sonar, and ProTools.

Just like you can buy new refills for Reason, you can buy whole new synths for FLS. You can't add 6OP FM Synthesis to Reason, but you can with FLS. You can't add true modular synthesis to Reason, but you can with FLS, Can't load Roland, Ensoniq, Emu, Kurzweil, or most other sample formats in Reason, but you can add that capability to FLS.

I still have Reason 2.5 and still use it on the odd occasion, but find that if I ever feel like I need to rewire it to Cubase for additional synths or whatnot, I should just be using FLS instead. The only thing I prefer to do in Cubase more than FLS is record vocals, and Reason can never do that (but FLS can!).


Oh... I've looked at Thor, the new quasi-modular synth that Reason 4 will have... Looks cool, but nothing compares to Reaktor for modular synthesis.


What you look @ as weakness I look at as a plus. I don't have to purchase additional VSTs to get the job done. You mentioned you "looked" at Thor. Until you actually work with it like I have for the last 3 months during beta testing, I don't think you can truthfully say Reaktor is a better synth. You've worked with 2.5 when 3.04 is far more advanced. You mentioned the ability to record vocals. Most people including yourself from what I've read, don't uses FL to record vocals. Most people use a seperate Rewired program for that. I use Cubase, Pro Tools or Acid Pro 6.

Da IllFellaz argument was that it cost less so you can purchase additional gear. Add up all the "extras" you've listed and tell me what the final cost is? I've worked with alot of the things you listed and unless you got a bootleg hookup those "extras" can add up real quick.

I'm cool with Reason never being able to record vocals and the fact that you can't use VSTs with it. I don't need the VSTs because I get everything I need in one box minus vocal recording. Everytime a new Reason drops I just upgrade and never have to get additional "extras". We can go round and round on this subject but the bottom line is until FL comes stock with anything similar to Reason is not on Reasons level. VSTs=Modules in Reason....VSTs=effects processors in Reason....Reaktor=Thor. I get these things standard and without limits in Reason, with FL you don't.

And last but not least....again....nobody leaves Reason for FL....but plenty leave FL for Reason. That speaks for itself!

p.s. here's some prices on the "extras" you typed about
kontakt $299
Reaktor $125
Lounge Lizard $249
T-RackS $319.95
SSL4000 $749.95

FL XXL $349

That's over 2G's right? DAMN! So much for cost effectiveness!
 

ManDAmyth

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ill o.g.
the FL drop off was too dramatic. Stock sounds where terrible and if you have to tweak every little thing to get a bigger sound it's not worth fukkin wit IMO.

Does anyone buy an mpc for it's sounds?
How about an ASR-10?

Didn't think so.

The only argument I ever hear someone use against fruitly loops is the stock sounds and that their beats sound weak. Translation: homie doesn't have any idea what he's doing and isn't taking advantage of everything FL Studio has to offer. Cause the thing is a beast.
 

LDB

Banned
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 73
Does anyone buy an mpc for it's sounds?
How about an ASR-10?

Didn't think so.

The only argument I ever hear someone use against fruitly loops is the stock sounds and that their beats sound weak. Translation: homie doesn't have any idea what he's doing and isn't taking advantage of everything FL Studio has to offer. Cause the thing is a beast.


That's mixing apples and oranges. Are we talking about software or hardware? How can you inject a hardware statement in a software discussion? Make a statement with a valid point and we can have a valid discussion!

Koncept and a few others came with valid points and I can respect that....yours is weak! Read through everybodys position and come with something that hasn't been already covered LM, and make a real comparison. Bringing up hardware as your comparison doesn't make sense. Holla!
 
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the neverending story on all fuckin producer forums reason vs fl studio, fl studio vs reason.lmao how bout making some beatboxing joints? haha!
 

konceptG

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ill o.g.
What you look @ as weakness I look at as a plus. I don't have to purchase additional VSTs to get the job done. You mentioned you "looked" at Thor. Until you actually work with it like I have for the last 3 months during beta testing, I don't think you can truthfully say Reaktor is a better synth. You've worked with 2.5 when 3.04 is far more advanced. You mentioned the ability to record vocals. Most people including yourself from what I've read, don't uses FL to record vocals. Most people use a seperate Rewired program for that. I use Cubase, Pro Tools or Acid Pro 6.

Da IllFellaz argument was that it cost less so you can purchase additional gear. Add up all the "extras" you've listed and tell me what the final cost is? I've worked with alot of the things you listed and unless you got a bootleg hookup those "extras" can add up real quick.

I'm cool with Reason never being able to record vocals and the fact that you can't use VSTs with it. I don't need the VSTs because I get everything I need in one box minus vocal recording. Everytime a new Reason drops I just upgrade and never have to get additional "extras". We can go round and round on this subject but the bottom line is until FL comes stock with anything similar to Reason is not on Reasons level. VSTs=Modules in Reason....VSTs=effects processors in Reason....Reaktor=Thor. I get these things standard and without limits in Reason, with FL you don't.

And last but not least....again....nobody leaves Reason for FL....but plenty leave FL for Reason. That speaks for itself!

p.s. here's some prices on the "extras" you typed about
kontakt $299
Reaktor $125
Lounge Lizard $249
T-RackS $319.95
SSL4000 $749.95

FL XXL $349

That's over 2G's right? DAMN! So much for cost effectiveness!

If you were to go out and buy either one today, this is what you would get for your money:

Reason3 costs $399 at Musicians Friend.
FL Studio 7 XXL is $366 directly from Image Line and boxed it's $339 at Musicians Friend. If I want to, I can add WASP to it for another $29,

Reason has two synths, a drum machine, 3 sample playback units, the combinator (think Roland performance patches or Korg's Combi patches), and fx.

FL Studio XXL has 10 synths, 5 sample playback units, two drum synths, FL Layer (think Combinator with far less control), and fx. It also comes with the Buzz Generator adapter, which allows you to use FREE plugins from the old Buzz tracker (which I used to use and have an assload of plugins for it), The Edison sample editor (no equivalent in Reason), Love Philter (no equivalent in Reason), Parametric EQ2 (no equivalent in Reason), AND most importantly it FULLY supports multi-core processors, turning it inot a fully multi-threaded application.

Compare them side by side:

Subtractor vs Sim Synth Live - Each has their strengths and weaknesses. Subtractor has two osc's, Sim Synth has 3, Subtractor has two filters, Simsynth has one, each has unique modulation capabilities. There's no clear winner here.

Subtractor vs 3OSC - 3OSC snaps into the FL Sampler when launched and uses it's filters and modulation for sound creation. No clear winner, but Subtractor is far easier to program.

Maelstrom vs - Granulizer - like the 3OSC, this is a snapin for the FL Sampler. Maelstrom wins hands down simply by being far easier to program for. Granulizer is simply not worth the effort

ReDrum vs FPC - The clear winner here is FPC. The FPC allows multiple samples to be used on each pad, making drum parts more realistic when different sounds are used according to velocity ranges. a cymbal can have one sound when played soft, and another when played hard. The FPC is equipped with two banks of 16 pads, making for a maximum of 128 samples loaded at any given time. Redrum is limited to 10 sounds total.

NN-XT vs Directwave - This one is tough and, like Subtractor vs Simsynth Live, there's no clear winner. There's no real reason to use NN-19 anymore with NN-XT being as good as it is. Both NNXT and DirectWave have excellent features and are on par with real hardware samplers when it comes to sound manipulation. Directwave DOES have a very clear advantage though: It will read AKAI AKP (S5/6K,Z4,Z8), Battery 1, ESX24, Kontakt 1, Recycle, and Soudfont PROGRAMS. It doesn't just read the samples themselves, but can read the patch data as well meaning that filtered sample loop you whipped up at your boy's crib on his Akai Z4 will sound pretty much the same when you pull it into DirectWave or your boy that uses Logic's ESX24 to manipulate samples can send them right to you un altered. Reason requires an additional utility to do Akai conversion (free d/l), but still cannot import several of the other formats (it will read Recycle and Soundfonts though).

Dr Rex vs FL Sampler - Another tough call... Honestly, there's no real difference between these two other than interface layout. On that alone, Dr Rex gets the nod.

Combinator vs FL Layer - Combinator simply destroys FL Layer due to it's flexibility.

Sytrus vs ??? - Reason has no FM synth.

DX10 vs ??? - Reason has no FM synth.

Beep Map vs ??? - Reason has nothing equivalent

Dashboard vs ??? - FL allows you to create control panels for external equipment, there's no equivalent in Reason.

Wave Traveler vs ??? - FL Allows you to use samples to simulate scratching (rather accurately if done properly). There's no equivalent to this in Reason

Edison vs ??? - Reason does have a sample editor.

Mixers - Reason's mixer allows for 4 sends and has a very basic 2 band shelving EQ. FL Studio's Mixer also has 4 sends, but each of those sends can handle up to 8 fx stacked on top of one another, plus it has a 3 band quasi-parametric EQ section. The FL Mixer also allows each channel to have up to 8 insert fx, which is offset by Reason's ability to chain fx, pre-mixer, to any synth or sampler.

Sequencer - Both have pattern based and linear sequencing. Nothing to see here.

As far as FX go, FL Studio does have some rather interesting stuff but the only real comparison goes between the FL Reeverb 2 and RV7000. I, personally, give the RV7000 the edge here, but that's only because I haven't spent enough time using Reeverb2. I always use TC Native Reverb for that purpose.

FL does have a few unique FX units. One is the Fruity LSD which gives you access to the GM/XG soundset on your sound card (if it even has those sounds) and use them in FL Studio. This gives you a whole new set of sound sources if you're using a card like an Audigy or some other budget card.

Another is the Fruity Squeeze plugin. It's a bit reducer and can give your samples that old-school crunch like an SP1200/S950/MPC60.


Now... Getting to VST's. If you're trying to be serious about your music, then you have a true DAW application alongside FL or Reason. This means ProTools, Cubase, Sonar, Logic, DP, or something like that. If you have one, chances are you've already purchased or pirated fx plugins for it. If they're DXi or VST format, you can pull 'em into FL Studio and use them in exactly the same way you would with your DAW. So that T-RackS or Waves Diamond bundle you bought/pirated isn't necessarily for FL, but you have the advantage of harnessing the power of those plugins as well as the stuff that ships with FL.

So... To recap, the $339 you pay for FL gets you more for your money than you do with buying Reason.

HOW YOU USE EITHER IS TOTALLY UP TO YOU!!!!

You can make great tracks or shitty tracks with either one.

oh... did I mention that if you buy it directly from ImageLine for $366, you get FREE UPDATES FOR LIFE??? That means that the guy that bought FL back at version 1 is still getting updates for free. I bought in at FL 4 and haven't paid for a single update since. Meanwhile, I bought Reason 1 and had to pay for each update since then.
 
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