the future of hiphop production

[Qwerty]

iam asking the FUTURE of hiphop not the past or present.




i know hiphop history.dont need no fuckin lesson. iam 30 years i know this shit since it started.

ps:dont forget to vote.hehe.

Vote? everyone in here, including me, said that it's more of both together, so edit your poll lol!

I thought I posted in that topic....I guess I didn't submit it! But I have to say to classic who said :

Sampling aint going nowhere, its an art within itself that takes alot of time to master

I think it's not Sampling that takes a lot of time to master, it's more "the original use of sampling". Because with sampling, what I don't like is that too many non-artistic or talented cats can make a beat by just : finding a good loop + adding a drum. Now I'M not saying I never did that, I do it but I know that I can also come up with a melody or choppe a sample and flip it. But some people cats just loop and add a drum and can't do much, and that's what is annoying me.

But on the other hand, when you look at RZA, Alchemist, Just Blaze, Premier. These people flip the fuck out of samples and THAT is what I call art

Question: Pick a track that you put the most time & work into and put that up against Just Blaze's "Breathe" track and tell me who put in more work?

Now I agreed with what you said before, but that is a little dumb. Because there is NO WAY you can tell how much time he put in that. Work? He sure put a lot in that creatively, but time you just can't judge that. Also, Just Blaze has a lot of drum loops that he chopped, so maybe the drum is exactly the one from the sample, and that we don't know so we can't say how much time/work he put in it. And maybe as soon as he heard the sample he knew exactly what he was going to do, and that he end up doing the main frame of the beat in 15-20 min. I read that it only takes him around that time usually to make a beat

 

[open mind]

i tried changing the poll and adding a third option called "both" but it doesnt work i can only edit the text in the post but not the poll itself maybe a mod can do that for me.thanks.

 

[The Bastard]

i have a feeling real hip hop will make a come back, so i voted for sample based

 

[Qwerty]

i have a feeling real hip hop will make a come back, so i voted for sample based

Real hiphop? Come on man, I just hate hearing people saying this, thinking that real hiphop is getting that '94 era vibe. I'M 18, but thanks to my older brothers I was exposed to a lot of Wu-Tang, Outkast, Mobb Deep, Nas and other cats of that time. Now it seems that to get praise from magasine and get good review all you got to do is emulate that era and they'll give you 4.5 or 5/5 saying: finally real hiphop. That's stupid

And to me, real hiphop is not necessarily that vibe.Plain and simple : Real Hiphop = good music that shows effort and creativity, wether it be sampled or not.

 

[Svenghali]

Now I agreed with what you said before, but that is a little dumb. Because there is NO WAY you can tell how much time he put in that. Work? He sure put a lot in that creatively, but time you just can't judge that. Also, Just Blaze has a lot of drum loops that he chopped, so maybe the drum is exactly the one from the sample, and that we don't know so we can't say how much time/work he put in it. And maybe as soon as he heard the sample he knew exactly what he was going to do, and that he end up doing the main frame of the beat in 15-20 min. I read that it only takes him around that time usually to make a beat

Boy, you sound like a new jack. What's a little dumb is to think that you what takes Just Blaze 20 minutes to make would equal 20 minutes in yours or my beatmakin' world. Twenty minutes is probably the sample work time along with percussion selection and beat programming and sequencing. As we all know, sampling sometimes requires a lot of patience and some ingenuity to make them work within the framework of a track. You can listen to Breathe and hear clearly that there's alot of work that went into that track. Forget the sample chops. There's alot of "live/sequenced" instrumentation goin' on in that song. Just Blaze did an excellent job of making the two (sample and composition) mesh effortlessly. So to a novice it would sound like Just Blaze just sampled a record and put a beat to it, not so. As I said earlier, I create songs employing the use of both. And I make tracks really fast, and I have a good ear, so I know what it takes to make it come out the way "breathe" did. If anyone's interested in putting it to the test, Just Blaze samples Supertramp's "Crime Of The Century" to make "Breathe". Try and recreate what Just Blaze did and lets's see how long it takes you.

Also, the amount of time it takes you to make a track has nothing to do with how much work you put into it. What takes Just Blaze (a real pro) 20 minutes to create might take me 120 minutes to replicate. I'm not at his skill or experience level, so it is highly probable that I probably couldn't make a track as fast as and bearing the same quality (equipment) as him. Point, set, match.

 

[Svenghali]

iam asking the FUTURE of hiphop not the past or present.

i know hiphop history.dont need no fuckin lesson. iam 30 years i know this shit since it started.

ps:dont forget to vote.hehe.

The future will be determined by the equipment, technology and the hitmakers. Unfortunately, the question doesn't work, it just opens dialog because it is not a yes or no answer.

And if you been dealin' with this shit when it started, you'd be my age, you're not homeboy.

 

[TheDeen]

if u steal from others u gonna pay for it!



compose your OWN shit to avoid problems.

How are you "open minded" if you think sampling is stealing?

 

[Svenghali]

How are you "open minded" if you think sampling is stealing?

Indeed.

 

[samuelock]

And to me, real hiphop is not necessarily that vibe.Plain and simple : Real Hiphop = good music that shows effort and creativity, wether it be sampled or not.

I agree.

 

[Qwerty]

Boy, you sound like a new jack. What's a little dumb is to think that you what takes Just Blaze 20 minutes to make would equal 20 minutes in yours or my beatmakin' world. Twenty minutes is probably the sample work time along with percussion selection and beat programming and sequencing. As we all know, sampling sometimes requires a lot of patience and some ingenuity to make them work within the framework of a track. You can listen to Breathe and hear clearly that there's alot of work that went into that track. Forget the sample chops. There's alot of "live/sequenced" instrumentation goin' on in that song. Just Blaze did an excellent job of making the two (sample and composition) mesh effortlessly. So to a novice it would sound like Just Blaze just sampled a record and put a beat to it, not so. As I said earlier, I create songs employing the use of both. And I make tracks really fast, and I have a good ear, so I know what it takes to make it come out the way "breathe" did. If anyone's interested in putting it to the test, Just Blaze samples Supertramp's "Crime Of The Century" to make "Breathe". Try and recreate what Just Blaze did and lets's see how long it takes you.

Also, the amount of time it takes you to make a track has nothing to do with how much work you put into it. What takes Just Blaze (a real pro) 20 minutes to create might take me 120 minutes to replicate. I'm not at his skill or experience level, so it is highly probable that I probably couldn't make a track as fast as and bearing the same quality (equipment) as him. Point, set, match.

Novice ? "Join Date: Oct 25, 2002" . Look, i knew what the sample was, I listened to it. And from what I hear of the Breathe track, there's no live composition. Because I looked the original sample, sped it and looked for the part JB used, and I found them all to recreate the beat

Now what I'm saying is this : you have no idea how the process went, obviously you, me, we're really less talented than him, so it looks hard to us, but maybe not as much to him. My point is, that you can't always compare 2 people's work and effort. Because I could spend 2 hours on a composed track, putting breaks, changes, changing the drum patterns, adding some sounds, chord progression, etc. And you could listen to it and be like: oh that doesn't take that much time.

And I did try to recreate that breathe track, when you know exactly what you need it's not that complicated, what impressed me was : how did he found out that he was going to need this part, than put it with this part, etc.

So, what I'm saying is that you can look at a track and say that a lot of work was put in it, but we can't know really how hard is was for the producer cuz we weren't there.

 

[Relic]

LOL and I quote:

I'll leave this open for a bit, but we all know where this is headed.

Im with you sven, BigRob, I dont know how long you been doin this and its all good but I dont "Feel" the been in this since the start vibe...
Especially if you choose one over the other, this all started with DJ's spinnin breaks back to back... aka sampling..