So True: The Demise of the Record Industry is Self-Inflicted.

Sincock

Fucking Wankers
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 8
This guy hit the nail on the head; Record companies only have themselves to blame. I'm sick of hearing all this bullshit about: it's a business; or we just" hustling"; "respecting the hustle"; dickheads getting their "game on" etc etc etc. Real music made with some integrity has always been the backbone of the industry whether they know it or not. If it's all about the hustle for you become a fucking banker or white-collar criminal and do it for real. Otherwise leave music alone for those that actually care about it.

http://blogs.chron.com/brokenrecord/2008/07/four_mistakes_that_killed_the.html

Four Mistakes That Killed the Record Indstry Before File Sharing

Most everyone who follows the record industry knows that it is slowly imploding and most don't care seeing as how its leaders have basically ignored technology and tried to sue people to push their profit margins back in line. But, the demise of the record industry actually began long before technology gave it the final push over the edge. It started in the 80's with the birth of the CD and the swallowing of independent record labels by major corporations to the point that now there are only four majors left.

In each critical moment, record labels had the opportunity to think ahead and look beyond their immediate revenue streams. Like many large corporations, they were unable to do so. As a result, they forgot that music is about people and they continue to ignore that fact at their own peril.

For myself, I believe the record industry - and this includes radio - made four mistakes that preceded their ignorance of technology and lawsuit happy antics of present day.

1. CD sales are not the same as record sales.

At first, this may seem like semantics, but my distinction is between the actual compact disc - the physical item - and the concept of a record - the music an artist records to put on a CD. When the CD was invented, profit margins for what were once moderate sized labels shot through the roof. If you had a back catalog of good music, you were about to become a millionaire if you weren't already because everyone was replacing their vinyl with CD's.

Record profits resulted and multi-national corporations took notice. In much the same way "dot com" start ups managed to convince venture capitalists to back questionable opportunities, independent labels began to entertain offers to sell themselves to the highest bidder. Corporations saw this as a long-term money making venture that would be great for their portfolio and their shareholders.

What they failed to realize is that the CD gravy train would soon come to an end as people finally replenished their collections and went back to their normal buying routines. The years of off the chart sales came to an abrupt end and corporations were stuck with bloated record divisions and they had no clue what to do - the end result when you replace creative minds seeking talent with bean counters seeking profit.

2. Longevity trumps the flavor of the week.

Because labels were feeling the pinch and because they were now subject to corporate budget constraints, annual reports and shareholders, they began to look for ways to cut costs. One of the first places they looked was artist development and promotion. I remember reading about how A&R departments were slashed to the bone and promotions departments saw their budgets cut dramatically.

Labels, in a desperate need to justify their existences, cut off their noses to spite their faces. Instead of trimming corporate expense accounts and the bloated salaries of their higher ups, they decided to rely on things like cross promotion, radio, television and other forms of media to do the legwork their promoters had done previously.

Worse yet, they focused on one-hit wonders and bubblegum pop to push profits ignoring their own rich history and tradition.

It's expensive to develop an artist. It is common knowledge that for every 12 artists signed to a label, 10 lose money, 1 breaks even and 1 makes enough to pay for the development of all the others put together. It's a really risky business. But, the small independent labels didn't care because they wanted to discover the next Bob Dylan or Bruce Springsteen. They knew that one major success could make up for a string of costly failures.

Unfortunately, that equation doesn't work in the corporate environment. You have to justify your budget every year, every quarter. If the only way to do that was to release lowest common denominator music that would sell fast but fade just as quickly, you did it.

They even managed to forget how they got to this point in the first place somehow missing that what are now termed "heritage" artists like Springsteen, Tom Petty and others were what sustained them over the long haul, not The Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears. Those were bands and musicians developed over years and they didn't come cheap, but they made up for it in the long run.

3. Destroying the chain of distribution is death.

For years, the way music got from artist to fan was the same. One department (A&R) would discover and develop artists helping them with everything from day-to-day expenses to making records. Another department (Promotions) would take the finished product and promote it using teams of college interns, radio promotions staff and others. They would pass the actual product on to distributors who would send their representatives to record stores to convince stores to buy records. The promotions interns would put up displays in the store and hold promotional events designed to help artist, distributor and record store. The employees at the store would talk to their customers and play the music in the store.

That system worked really well for a very long time. But, once again, the big corporations saw an opportunity to cut costs by making independent deals with big box retailers like Wal-Mart, Target and Best Buy. The result was the death of distribution companies and independent music stores (as seen today with the legendary Morninglory Music going under after 38 years in business) and even chain music stores. This may have seemed like a smart financial decision, but they got it wrong again.

What the suits failed to realize was that the chain of people working on selling music for them was key to making sales. Even now in the age of blogs, people still listen to what others suggest when it comes to buying music. Prior to the internet, those people included DJ's (we'll get to them in a second) and record store employees. After your friends, these were the people you trusted to know music.

Even worse, retailers like Target only put about 300 titles per year on shelves out of 3000 or more possible releases, honing it down to ONLY the most salable (according to them) artists and records. A good record store could not only steer you towards a great alt rock record, but also to a blues record that influenced that alt rock band you like so much.

I'm not naive. I realize that with iTunes and other forms of downloading, the days of the music store were rapidly coming to a close, but the labels, instead of acting as partners with stores as they always had, turned their backs on them prematurely before anyone had ever heard of an MP3 or Napster. It not only cost thousands of people their jobs, it placed limited stock on the shelves narrowing the choices for people even further. Like cutting development, they were forgetting that it takes more than just a pretty face and a catchy hook to sell records and the more options you put out there for people, the better your chances of developing artists who will sell for you for more than just a few years.

4. Killing the DJ

I think there is real truth to the idea that video killed the radio star, but the radio industry helped it along by killing off the primary link between listeners and stations: the dj.

Much like the chain of distribution, there was a long history of record label staffs sending music to radio stations where program directors and DJ's would play what they thought their audience wanted to hear. DJ's took chances and, as a result, broke artists for labels and made them an awful lot of money. There was always corruption and undue influence exerted on DJ's, but a large percentage were in it for the music.

When the Telecommunications Act of 1996 was signed into law, large corporate radio empires like Clear Channel destroyed the listener-DJ relationship by flooding markets with stations owned by a signle entity with programming decisions made at a regional level, far removed from the DJ and his/her show. DJ's were replaced with "on-air personalities" more about selling ad revenue than "spinning hot wax" as they used to say.

While the record industry may not have been directly involved, they sat by and did nothing and even encouraged the centralization of power because it made it cheaper for them to peddle music. They didn't have to call or visit hundreds of DJ's anymore. Now, they just went to a central nexus.

Just like destroying distribution removed variety from the shelves of retailers, centralizing programming ended variety as we once knew it on terrestrial radio. In the Steely Dan song "FM" they talk about how FM stations in the 70's would play pretty much anything from reggae to blues to rock and everything in between. It was all about the relationship between DJ and listener, between people. Once that relationship was destroyed and stations began playing the same narrow play list, people began to abandon radio in droves.

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Long before the record industry was, in their estimation, attacked by downloaders and people believing music should be free, the record industry itself compromised its own business through questionable decisions, corruption and the corporatization of music. Art and commerce always have and always will have a tenuous relationship. But, when the pendulum swings so far to one side, it is no shock when it eventually comes flying back the other direction. So, record execs, the next time you look into a camera or into a room full of onlookers and try to tell us that file sharing and video games killed your business, don't waste your breath. Instead, take a look in the mirror and you'll probably find the culprit.
 

God

Creator of the Universe
ill o.g.
This is a good post. I'm going to respond in a more articulate way when I have a chance.

To add to this post, I would say that the main problem of industry was its inability to change due to the psychology of its leadership (from the label level.) To make a long story short - some of the shot-callers were TOO OLD to understand WTF was going on.

1. Too old (imagine your grandpa as a label head.)
2. They didn't understand computers, let alone digital sales or the internet.
3. Tried to preserve their power or positions, this led to inaction rather than change. (Change is BAD for them.)
4. They didn't listen to advice from the young guys that knew about this. Why? Because the old guys had been successful during the analogue age, so they brushed the young guys aside.

Now they're screwed, lost their jobs, or retired. If they're lucky, they got a handout and started something like J Records.
 

Sincock

Fucking Wankers
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 8
The record industry as a whole is doing fine.

No it's not bringing in the profits that it once did but it is still "profitable" and at the end of the day that's all that matters for the powers that B!

Pop music- is through the roof!

Country music- will always be here.

The only music sector that is failing is "black music" aka as Rhythm and blues, Hip Hop and Rap.

1st of all, music of color was never suppose to make it in the first place. It was only allowed because "somebody" realized that it could bring in a lot of money. Back in the day black records had to dawn a white face. Proven by white artist with there pictures on the front of there records and and black artist with no picture or the picture of white kids or even other white artist on the front of there covers.

It's not "black artist" that want these sample clearances it's Corporations that own the rights to that music. We know that the CEO's of these Company's are not black writers, singers and producers of the music!

Old school artist never really got paid though they moved millions and millions of units. Very few black artist, producers or writers to this day own any of there music. You can only name a handful at best. The top dogs would have to be Smokey Robinson and Quincy Jones.

How many legendary black entertainers when they pass do you hear were broke as fuck? I can't name any that wasn't. That's some sad shit!

TO BE CONTINUED!

First of all, there's no need to start a new thread to reply to this one.

As God has noted, here and elsewhere, the music industry is going through a very difficult time at the moment. That's not really disputed, it's a fact.

If you bothered to even read the article before commenting you would see that he made the point that pop music, while still making a profit, is only about short term profit. There's very little longevity there, (which is what the music industry needs to survive long term).

To say that the only sector of the music biz that's failing is "black music" is just showing your ignorance. Hello, rock? metal? Alternative/ Indy?

It's no longer a colour issue, it hasn't been for a long time. Black artists that died with plenty of money? Off the top of my head I can name you: Miles Davis; James Brown; Isaac Hayes; Ray Charles; Biggie; 2Pac; Marvin Gaye, Barry White. Maybe they're not legendary enough?
 

skidflow

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Plus they used to sell CD's for like $18.99 and shit. People got tired of that shit too. Giving the people what they want is always lucrative in the longhaul. Like when Subway started the $5 footlong...thats was one of the best marketing stratagies for them. They dropped the price of the sandwich but profited more in the longhaul. Now they have forced Quiznos to offer select sandwiches for $5 also. I think record companies need to start focusing back on just putting out good music and start taking the "independent" way of thinking when it comes to marketing music. At the end of the day people just wanna hear good music...they give two shits about the politrics.
 

Sincock

Fucking Wankers
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 8
Plus they used to sell CD's for like $18.99 and shit. People got tired of that shit too. Giving the people what they want is always lucrative in the longhaul. Like when Subway started the $5 footlong...thats was one of the best marketing stratagies for them. They dropped the price of the sandwich but profited more in the longhaul. Now they have forced Quiznos to offer select sandwiches for $5 also. I think record companies need to start focusing back on just putting out good music and start taking the "independent" way of thinking when it comes to marketing music. At the end of the day people just wanna hear good music...they give two shits about the politrics.

Couldn't agree with you more. A quality product at a good price is always good business IMO.
 

LDB

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ill o.g.
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To say that the only sector of the music biz that's failing is "black music" is just showing your ignorance.

ONCE AGAIN. THE INDUSTRY IS MAKING A PROFIT. JUST NOT EVERYWHERE IT ONCE DID. IF IT WASN'T HOW IN THE HELL WOULD IT STILL BE AROUND. NO MONEY MEANS OUT OF BUSINESS. THE MAJORS ARE STILL PRODUCTIVE. ALL THE SPIN OFF LABELS ARE THE ONES FADING TO BLACK!

It's no longer a colour issue, it hasn't been for a long time. Black artists that died with plenty of money? Off the top of my head I can name you: Miles Davis; James Brown; Isaac Hayes; Ray Charles; Biggie; 2Pac; Marvin Gaye, Barry White. Maybe they're not legendary enough?

You haven't a clue. Those who really know hip hop and have really followed black artist know the truth!

Miles-don't know, James B- Still performing at his age just to stay a float, family fighting over what he had left as I type, Isaac-don't know,he wrote a lot of hits, he should have been well off, he just died so we'll see real soon, Ray Charles-did you see the mediocre apt. he lived in before he passed?, though he had one of the best deals of his time it still was not what it should have been! He was still performing to stay a float, Biggie- there still dropping albums of songs he never released to take care of his family, doesn't sound like a millionaire to me, not to mention we just found out that Jada and Mase wrote most of his lyrics- SHOCKER! 2pac the same but worse- he couldn't even make bail when he was in jail, that's how he and the whole Suge Knight thing started in the first place, had he lived and moved on to another label like he was planning he would have finally made some money, it's believed that that's the reason he was murdered in the first place, had you'd been into hip hop back then you'd know...lol Marvin Gaye-Smokey Robinson wrote most of his hits there for he was the performer!, and unless you PERFORM you don't get paid, Barry White was doing the talk show circuit before he died-that speaks for itself, his medical bills alone because he was already in bad health ate away any money that he had, i.e the reason he was doing the talk show circuit.

No need for name calling...unless you want your thread to turn in to something else? Anyway....lmao, I won't go there. This is a pretty good thread! NOW

Everybody you named minus maybe two was broke as hell when they passed!



Now I only name a few in the other thread. If you like I'll do my homework and fill this bitch up with facts....lmao

Attempting to remove a people from the history books i.e your statement that it's no longer about race, is the last stage of genocide! Don't speak or remove the history with statements like that in hopes that the people will forget. It's has always been about race and will continue to be, until we get that we can't move forward.
 
You haven't a clue. Those who really know hip hop and have really followed black artist know the truth!

Miles-don't know, James B- Still performing at his age just to stay a float, family fighting over what he had left as I type, Isaac-don't know,he wrote a lot of hits, he should have been well off, he just died so we'll see real soon, Ray Charles-did you see the mediocre apt. he lived in before he passed?, though he had one of the best deals of his time it still was not what it should have been! He was still performing to stay a float, Biggie- there still dropping albums of songs he never released to take care of his family, doesn't sound like a millionaire to me, not to mention we just found out that Jada and Mase wrote most of his lyrics- SHOCKER! 2pac the same but worse- he couldn't even make bail when he was in jail, that's how he and the whole Suge Knight thing started in the first place, had he lived and moved on to another label like he was planning he would have finally made some money, it's believed that that's the reason he was murdered in the first place, had you'd been into hip hop back then you'd know...lol Marvin Gaye-Smokey Robinson wrote most of his hits there for he was the performer!, and <b>unless you PERFORM you don't get paid</b>, Barry White was doing the talk show circuit before he died-that speaks for itself, his medical bills alone because he was already in bad health ate away any money that he had, i.e the reason he was doing the talk show circuit.

No need for name calling...unless you want your thread to turn in to something else? Anyway....lmao, I won't go there. This is a pretty good thread! NOW

Everybody you named minus maybe two was broke as hell when they passed!



Now I only name a few in the other thread. If you like I'll do my homework and fill this bitch up with facts....lmao

Attempting to remove a people from the history books i.e your statement that it's no longer about race, is the last stage of genocide! Don't speak or remove the history with statements like that in hopes that the people will forget. It's has always been about race and will continue to be, until we get that we can't move forward.

The biggest slice of the pie in music used to be for the producer and the songwriter.
As I beleive they are still the biggest cut takers.
Artists that perform a song without being its writer, get a much smaller proportion of the cut, and yes make most of their money from performance, thats why they work hard on tour to make some good money, while the producer/songwriter sit at home and make a much larger cut.

Performers have to work very hard on tours to make cash, most of the wannabe artists dont even realise this.
Being a well known successful performer in hiphop, doesnt necessary mean you are rolling in the cash, especially if you didnt write the song.
 

LDB

Banned
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 73
The biggest slice of the pie in music used to be for the producer and the songwriter.
As I beleive they are still the biggest cut takers.
Artists that perform a song without being its writer, get a much smaller proportion of the cut, and yes make most of their money from performance, thats why they work hard on tour to make some good money, while the producer/songwriter sit at home and make a much larger cut.

Performers have to work very hard on tours to make cash, most of the wannabe artists dont even realise this.
Being a well known successful performer in hiphop, doesnt necessary mean you are rolling in the cash, especially if you didnt write the song.

True but my point for the older artist was the fact that they "did" write and produce their material. They just were not offered the same deal as others! Basically they were screwed out of the deals that would have had them set for life. When you're poor you do what you have to to make ends meet. So they signed away there rights to earn a living. It had to be a living hell to live your life performing a song that you wrote and have the bulk of the money going to someone who only mixed and mastered the record. They had to perform well into there golden years for tax purposes alone. But that's a whole other topic!
 

God

Creator of the Universe
ill o.g.
The industry did this to itself because of the individuals in positions of power. You can analyze the repercussions from the outside - like Sinkok did - but it doesn't get down to WHY it happened.

People do not act morally or rationally for altruistic purposes, especially in the cutthroat business world of entertainment. There are one main issue people in entertainment contend with:

- Preservation of position/power (fear of losing job or clout)

Making money goes hand in hand with your position. The more money you make off an act, the more leverage you have at the boardroom table. That's why you see reps or agents that SEE a great act and say "I would sign that act, God, but I can't take the risk - right now." And if you ask "why, seriously, don't bullshit - I've given you ____." And the cat says: "I'm new at this label - I can't rock the boat, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT G."

I do, it's this...

"I can't take the risk."
and
"I can't take the risk."
repeat cycle.

This is especially true for cats that have been in the game for a really long time, and like their executive positions - so they will be risk averse. Hungrier and younger cats, once get past the mailroom level still are risk averse, because they don't want to f*ck up and get fired. That's why an A&R will NOT sign a great act sometimes, because they've had too many misses to hits ratios. That's why these cats deal with ESTABLISHED producers, so their hit/miss records are better. That's why they try to look for social proof or rational justifications (look at your press kits and narratives) so they can tell their boss WHY they fucked up and signed a bad act: "but he was imprisoned in Mali - then wrote a rock record about it - it was a great press story, and the music was ok." Boss: "Don't screw up again - but give me back your Centurion card."

That's why OLD execs don't listen to younger guys telling them that they should digitize, take a loss on profit - but gain strategically in the long run. The old dudes think they know everything because they were in the game for so long, but don't understand the new technology enough to make a good judgment. Trust me, there were people seeing this coming. But the old guys had the clout and put you "in your place" while they call their IT guy to install "Flash" on their computer, because they don't know how to.

Are you starting to get the picture? Digitizing meant a loss in CD sales, and they still wanted to profit off that - but guess what - Steve Jobs took the initiative and took the leverage right from under an EMI or a Sony. Younger guys saw it coming too.

Why did the old dudes not do anything? It's because they were scared to take risk. They didn't want to lose their positions on what they deemed a gamble - and in the process handed over the industry to the computer gurus like Steve Jobs and Jeff Bezos of Amazon.

(shakes head.)

It's leadership at the label level that messed up royally. They were SCARED to take action and make a change from analogue to pure digital. They were in a position to cut deals with Apple or with other developers on a singles sale model, BUT THEY CHOSE TO KEEP IT "SAFE" and DO WHAT THEY ALWAYS DID. Now, that leverage is gone.

Labels are basically banks that lend money and hire promotions people. The sale of product is left up to the computer gurus, which take a massive cut of the pie. And the old farts are still trying to push CDs through Wal-Mart to take advantage of that last bit of demographic that isn't fully "computerized." CDs are loss-leaders now, and vendors like Wal-Mart are even considering NOT selling them because they take up floor space.

If you're in any business - think with the ideas of young cat - a teenager. The world is always changing and progressing. You gotta have that same mindset if you're working in cutting-edge entertainment.

True but my point for the older artist was the fact that they "did" write and produce their material. They just were not offered the same deal as others! Basically they were screwed out of the deals that would have had them set for life. When you're poor you do what you have to to make ends meet. So they signed away there rights to earn a living. It had to be a living hell to live your life performing a song that you wrote and have the bulk of the money going to someone who only mixed and mastered the record. They had to perform well into there golden years for tax purposes alone. But that's a whole other topic!

LDB: It wasn't just black/urban music legends that suffered. EVERYONE got screwed because EVERY artist was hungry and didn't know jack about the industry - same today. Def Leppard had to sell at least 3 million records for Hysteria before they EVEN MADE MONEY. That's AFTER they released multiplatinum records like "Pyromania" and "High N' Dry" in their five album deal. They were screwed ROYALLY on their contract and didn't see a cent in royalties until "Hysteria" went mega-platinum selling 10+ million records.

Michael Jackson owns the entire Beatles catalogue ("Northern Publishing" i.e. Lennon/McCartney.) Who got screwed there? Certainly wasn't MJ.

I do agree that you can look at it socioeconomically, and am not arguing some of those points - but some of the generalizations you're making are over the top.

You always get screwed on your first contract, that's why you should get as much money as you can up front - you have no leverage unless you create a bidding war - and that's another story unto itself. That's why bands like "The Hives" know were rumored to get close to $10 million UP FRONT. Keep the cash in the bank - recoupment is a pain in the ass.
 

Ash Holmz

The Bed-Stuy Fly Guy
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 207
dre,pdiddy,jay-z,fifty


the only one on that list that makes the majority of money from music is dre... fiddy is vitamin water caked up, and pdiddy has sean john, and about a million other things besides music that he cakes up on. jayz the same as diddy. Even with dre he owns his label and has some of the best selling acts signed to him.. which basically kinda still proves a point. These guys are caking up off of other things, not music.
 
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