Serious Artists...

nobodyfamous

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
I don't know about you, but I get frustrated everyday with some of the kats im phuckin with right now...Im trying to build a team of artists, but 90% of the time I meet someone with skills they be bullshittin or they live too far away, or whateva. I mean, I love it when someone unlocks my tracks with some fire lyrics, but everyone is on BS this days, they dont want to work hard, they dont want to invest money into it, but then they are like give me a beat or whateva! NO! whats wrong with the world's young people today? thats all i want to know?!?!

ps...and im only 20...but there is a time to play and a time to work, thats why there is so much garbage out now, everyone just wants to play!

do yall have this problem??
 

Ash Holmz

The Bed-Stuy Fly Guy
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 207
i feel ya to the fullest pboy...theres nothing i hate worse than tryin to do a project wit someone that doesn't want it as bad as u...even if the person skills arent up to par..ill take a person with a sick work ethic over a dude that has talent but is lazy as fuc..i mean one of the dudes i been fucin wit is sick lyrically but he's mad lazy..ALL HE GOTTA DO IS WRITE RYMES YA KNOW!!..im doin all the hard shit..and he still fucs it up...i agree alot of people are bullshit..they want the money and shit and they think a rappers/producers life is like what they see in the music vidoes....they dont know the hard work and sacfrice that goes into this shit..u hit it right on the head pboy..bigups to that statement
 

Fade

The Beat Strangler
Administrator
illest o.g.
I hear ya. I was working with a friend of mine a few years ago and all he had to do was write lyrics, and record them. Couldn't do it. I was handling all the production and scratching, this guy couldn't even get his lines straight, and couldn't flow to anything I put on. It wasn't just my beats, but also 12" instrumentals I put on... he could freestyle over any beat, but ask this guy to rap over something with his own lyrics? Not gonna happen.

It got so frustrating that I finally gave up on him because I have no patience whatsoever.
 

vitaminman

IllMuzik Staff
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 1
HELL YES.

This seems to be a problem in the hip hop world, where people think they DESERVE something just for being alive.

I'll blame one thing: MTV. With all those retarded shows, people hamming it up for the camera, script writers getting characters to start crap with each other to generate ratings, people getting paid to do absolutely NOTHING, etc., it's no wonder that clowns think that you owe them something just because they can chain a few words together.

They have no idea about the amount of money and time invested in researching, purchasing, learning, more researching and learning, more purchasing, etc. when making music. Especially when making music for THEM.

And if you're white with a job and car, you owe them TWICE what you'd owe if you weren't, else you're just trying to 'keep a brother down'.

Story: we were recording a singer, great voice, could rap very well and would probably have been successful as an artist, except that he got dollar signs in his eyes and demanded that we not only give him tracks for his solo career, but that we pay him a $10,000 advance and guarantee him 5 star hotel accomodations, a limo, and catering when we went out on our big tour. That was the last time we spoke, I believe that he's in jail right now. What an ASS.

Nick
 

nobodyfamous

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
Here is a story about tonight...
i transfered schools this year, but i invited my boys over from my old school to do a track, i made a beat i knew would fit their style, etc. and i told them, write some verses before you come before come, thats all they had to do. so they come up, bag full of colt 45's and about a qp of weed, didnt write nothing and phucked up, im sittin here for like 3 hours while they write, then it took forever to put the versed down, and 2 kats didnt even finish! im like wtf, they whole time they are here kats are hittin me up trying to buy beats and record songs (kats who are serious) am im messin wit my folk, i think the hardest thing for me is to tell my friends the truth when they are not up to par, but i see i am going to have to start. im a professional damn it!!! lol
 

vitaminman

IllMuzik Staff
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 1
Pboy,

Man, do I feel your pain! When they're sober, you must absolutely sit down with them and set out some rules:

1. They come to the studio sober.
2. They come to the studio PREPARED. None of this 'gimme a pen and paper' crap.
3. If it seems like they haven't practiced or at least have an idea about what their raps should sound like over a beat, stop the session and send them home. If you don't do this at the beginning of the session, you will have commited yourself to recording crap for 3 hours...you will then spend possibly dozens of hours later on editing everything in software to get words and phrases to match up with the beats.
4. No distractions. This includes: their 'homies', girlfriends, cell phones.

These are the rules in my studio, and while it may make me unpopular initially, the ones who are really serious about getting work done respect that; the rest go home crying and talk smack about me, but I could care less. You job as an engineer/producer/whatever is not to be popular, but to record. I had to learn the hard way, and now that these rules are set everyone is a much happier person.

Explain to them that your time is valuable and your job is to record, not babysit. If they give you grief, show them this post.

It's ok to make modifications to lyrics when recording, but it's not ok to write them out while you're sitting there twiddling your thumbs. This goes for recording ANYTHING. Your job is to capture a performance and see to it that you get the best one possible.

I recently recorded a small jazz combo, all the musicians were professional in every sense of the word. They came sober, they knew their songs, and we managed to lay down all the parts for a sax, trumpet, piano and vocals for 8 short songs in about 3 hours. The only time we weren't recording was when I was patching the mixer, setting levels and placing the mics. It was such a dream session: great performances and great recording in a short amount of time.

This was such a contrast to recording amateur rappers who basically were so damn cocky that they though they could 'spit' anything over any beat...what usually happens is their rhymes don't follow the structure of the song and they don't have any idea how to place phrases properly with the beat. It is SO damn annoying.

The last thing is to be honest with your friends. Just because they know you doesn't give them the right to assume that they will automatically have access to your time and gear, ESPECIALLY if they suck. It's cool to have a few friends over to mess around, maybe they just want to try recording out or want to see what it is you do, and this is where being a friend comes into play...

Good luck in the future!

Nick
 
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DJlow2

Guest
ey yo...with the stuff they put on the radio it seems like everybody and anybody can be a rap star... therefore some rappers approcah the game with little experience expecting to blow up big... every rap recording that i have had.. i broke the CD on purpose cause really the rapper wasnt giving the beat justice... so there... initially the rap sounded good... cause i was so eager to get vocals on a track of mine... then when i sat down and actually heard the recording... i was like this is crap... so lesson learned... this is serious kiddo... and some of these cats out here... just dont work at it... or are too distracted... or could careless about rappin...

well when i hear somebody on a track of mine not giving it 100 percent that makes me angry... and thats when its time for them to go on about their business... in the meantime i got acapellas from those that have made it... that i put on my tracks... and in this way i know that the beat isnt the problem...

the vocals are the single most important aspect of a hip hop track...bottom line... the people are listening for the words... not the drums... the drums are foremost decipherable to the producer... and its the drums that people eventually grow to understand... the words are the catchy points... the easy part... the part they understand right off the bat...but just cause its easy to spit words doesnt mean that its easy to make it sound good...

its 2:38 in the morning and i'm goin on and on and i got more to say but i'll say it later...

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nobodyfamous

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
i feel ya vitaminman,
i got this other cat i just hooked up with, he is serious and i think that is what made me mad about my boys. i will go in the studio with this other cat, 20 minutes later he is done and im mixing! its lovely, he has copped a beat from each of the least 2 weeks, and he is talking about gettting 2 and doing 2 songs this week! hes focused and i love it!
 

God

Creator of the Universe
ill o.g.
Why would anybody want an expeditious recording session if you are on the clock billing the idiots by the hour?

However, if you are indeed enamoured by the integrity of an artist, and he/she is messing around too much, I find it effective to utilise a third party in conveying my message. If the artist is signed, I tell his/her A&R rep what is happening, and A&R usually takes care of it by coaxing the artist into agreement through some forceful, on not forceful method. If not, have a friend tell the individual. If the artist doesn't get it, tell the third party to be outright. If worst comes to worst, tell the artist yourself.

If the artists are as stated, a bunch of idiots that sit around and smoke hashish, and you know they do that when they come in your studio during recording- then whose fault is it but your own that they are in your studio? Tell them to get out and go to a pub.

Sincerely,
God
 
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DJlow2

Guest
good point... cause really anybody who steps foot in your setup has to have permission from you... however you dont really get to know somebody's work ethic until you sit down and get business done.
 
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