Self Containment

[Shonsteez]

Hi...I was fucking with this question for some time now and i figured maybe theres a solution that i havent come up with yet...so heres what i do know.
This is in regard to using reason and sending RSN. files to others who DO NOT have tha REFILLS that you have.
I have read tha manual several times on this issue, as well as done my own experiments and this is what i have learned:

1. When trying to self contain a sound from a refill...it seems vitually IMPOSSIBLE unfortunately...I think due to tha fact that once a sound is inside a refill its like locked inside as a copyrighted sound.

2. It seems as though some rex's have tha ability to pass through tha wall of self containment - why i dont know?

3. If you have any various samples, which are used in any machine in your rack - which exists on your HD and not contained in a refill - then it is SELF CONTAINABLE.

So how do you beat tha system??? - - - - - Is there a way to actaully self contain a sample from a refill after all?....Is it possible to maybe save a personal drumkit in a manner that will let another user who doesnt have tha refills load it on their computer?
:cuss:

 

[vitaminman]

Hey,

I don't know the answer for fact as I don't use Reason, but I have an idea:

1. Refills are like ROMs on synths; a lot of time and money are spent developing them, companies want to protect their investments from people who want to extract and distribute them to others...like you! : )

2. Rex files can be created and edited by users used in other softwares like Cubase, therefore they need to be exportable.

3. What?

When you say 'self-containable', do you mean 'extractable'? Like, if you have an Akai program with a bunch of drum sounds in it, you want to be able to extract each sound as individual wav files?

A friend of mine has a Korg Oasys soundcard, it has a bunch of PCM sounds on it that come from the Triton. He tried for a really long time to figure out how to extract the samples to turn them into Soundfonts...no luck. Eventually he just played each hit individually across MIDI and recorded the audio output of the card into Sound Forge, saved each sound as a wav file, then imported them into Vienna to make the Soundfonts.

Take care,

Nick

 

[Shonsteez]

Yo V - I figured you might be first to hollar at me..
Yeah, you kinda got tha picture. In reason there is an option in tha menu that lets you self contain tha sounds within tha song so that - if say your sounds were missing on your computer one day, fortunately theyre saved on your song and can still be opened...tha gay thing is there is no way to save(self contain) refill sounds - since its expected that who ever else opens it has tha same refill.
I suppose tha only solution may be what you mentioned about using soundforge...etc. and copying tha individual sounds like that.
Theres gotta be a better way though - I hope?

 

[vitaminman]

Deuce,

I seriously doubt it, unless you or someone else can write a program to decrypt the Refills and convert the PCM data into wav files. This is illegal, I would imagine.

I understand now, it's like making a bun file in Cakewalk, where the sequence and audio files used in the song get bundled into a single file. The advantage is that if you lose the source files you still have the audio in the bun file; the disadvantage is that it takes up more room on your hard drive.

In the case of Refills, though, it sounds like they won't let you do this, probably because they want people to buy them instead of downloading them.

Take care,

Nick

 

[Freakwncy]

V-man ][ I want to say the v.3 of Goldwave open PCM file and I know you can convert anything you open in it to .wav...I'm not sure I'll hit you back on it.]

 

[vitaminman]

Hey,

Your alarm clock, cell phone, answering machine, etc. can open a PCM file, PCM is just digital audio in its most primitive form. The trick (and I'm sure that Goldwave can't do this) is to 'crack' open the Refill so that you can get to the PCM data!

Nick

 

[Shonsteez]

Can cool edit 2, samplitude 7, soundforge 6, recycle 2, or cubase do that???

 

[vitaminman]

Hey,

Do what? Crack Refills?

NO!!!!!!!!

I haven't made myself clear, I'll lay it out for you:

1. They DON'T WANT you to crack open Refills, because as soon as you do you'll start emailing sounds to your friends, which is probably illegal. They want your friends to BUY their Refill packs so they can use the money to make more Refill packs.

2. There is no commercially produced software (to my knowledge) that will crack open Refills. If someone did release one, Propellerheads would probably send their lawyers round carrying bats and crowbars.

3. Unless you're a programmer well versed in encryption algorithms, audio codecs, sample programs, etc., you're wasting your time trying to figure out how to do all this. You'd spend MUCH less time and energy getting a job at a 7-11 and earning enough money to buy a new Refill pack and shipping it to your friend.

Nick

 

[God]

Well there is a way, however it is basic, and illegal. I advise against doing so.

In the attainment of a Refill sound for use, the quickest method is to sample the Refill sound rather than cracking any proprietary code Propellerhead has installed on their specific files. Then the sample of the Refill sound can be reintroduced into the song.

When you sampled the Refill sound, you most likely recorded it in a .wav file, which can be manipulated into different sample formats (AKAI's proprietary, etc.)

This is similar to individuals making samples or formulating SoundFonts from their favorite synthesiser's sample bank, then utilising them with their sequencers' triggers. This of course, is time consuming. Something you should consider whilst also pondering the legality of such measures.

Sincerely,
God