Sampling / bass lines

[TheMost]

Lots of times when i sample something ether

A. If i add a bassline it souds bad because i dont relay know how to get rid of the original bass properly or

B. When i raise the pitch with the Recycle the bass seems out of key slightly even if i know for sure that im hitting the right key on my midi controller.

 

[Kontents]

ummmm.... well if you are sampling bass lines from other tracks, you want to start with the bass and work from there, dont create a drum track or whatever and then add a sampled bass line cause that wouldnt really work out.

when you change the pitch of the bass you are not changing the octave unless you put it at a proper pitch that would fall into a key of whatever A, E, G etc.

best thing to do is pick the sample and work from that then add to it.

 

[TheMost]

ummmm.... well if you are sampling bass lines from other tracks, you want to start with the bass and work from there, dont create a drum track or whatever and then add a sampled bass line cause that wouldnt really work out.

when you change the pitch of the bass you are not changing the octave unless you put it at a proper pitch that would fall into a key of whatever A, E, G etc.

best thing to do is pick the sample and work from that then add to it.

Yes thats what im saying tho, lets i have a aretha frankling sample. Say there is 2 bass notes every bar, i speed up the pitch how can i
1. add my own bassline without sounding muffled because parts remain from the orignal

2 sometimes i put the pitch iger but my bassline seems very slighly offkey

like when just blaze samples and puts the pitch higher lots of time he has his own bassline to it u know.

 

[Kontents]

ok well here are some options.

A) take the sample in recycle and Eq the shit out of the lows to drop it out so it doesnt stand out.
B)mimic the same bassline. (not to original But hey who cares")

C)take the bass and sample Before you change the pitch. then up the pitch with the bassline. this way everything stays in key.

C2) dont hesitate to Eq your bass line to fit the sample, if the bass from the sample is too strong, eq your bassline and make it blend in and mesh with the sample.

hope this helps.

 

[Sanova]

Good info above.

I'd say just cut the lows of the sample in the 80hz - 120hz area to get rid of the bass, and the rest of the low end. Then just add ur bass and make sure ur on key... cuz if it sounds off key.. Its offkey.

If for some reason u feel that the sample does not have a proper key and u cant find the correct scale to play ur bass in (this hasn't happened to me yet) Then tune the sample properly:

Do a search on this forum for classic's thread on composing over a sample.

 

[TheMost]

Thanks for the info.... I cut the lows usualy with the equalizer Mclass is that right?

When i change the pitch should i change the pitch or use the transport? Whats the difference relay between these 2?

 

[Blunt604]

ur bass samples out of key. or you fucked up the pitch of your sample and made it out of key. or u just tone def and suck lol

 

[TheMost]

...lol damn thanks...

I just find that when i cut all the gain from my sample to get rid of the bass yeah i can add some bass but then the sample sounds very thin...what cna i do? Willl that get worked out in the studio by the engineer or what?

 

[Blunt604]

honestly man u shuldnt even EQ your shit if u dont know whut ur doing. that is retarded u shuld be abel to make a hot beat without eqing anything. u must have wak bass samples or something homie or shit that aint in key....cuz u shuld be able to play bass to replicate the same shit inside the sample and it shuld mix perfect if its on key

 

[Agent Smith]

not necessarily...having a good base of knowledge in the eq area can never start too soon...might as well make eq mistakes early. as far as samples sounding thin, its just a matter of tweaking until it sounds right...there isnt one single step for making your sample work. you can eq it in recycle...in fact theres a preset on there called ''remove the lows'' or something to that effect...although after that youre best to tweak it further. also...dont mess with the pitch in recycle...transpose it in dr. rex...it takes it up more chromatically.
here's what i do when i use reason. i chop it p in recycle...after i chop i leave it raw and import it to a dr. rex. once i get it in there, i decide the bpm i want and transpose the samples to fit best. then i use the filter section on the dr rex instead of eq...i find it cleaner and quicker. just change the filter to one of the highpass filters (hp) and move the frequency slider down until it sounds just thick enough. it's actualy better to cut the lows out of your samples in general because it gives the song more room to breathe. then if you want to make it punchier, throw a compressor on there. its all abou experimentation. you also might want to think about using samples with less going on in them.
also when youre trying to play a bass line, play it a couple octives higher at first. its easier to pick the key out that way. once you get it play it down low.
word.

 

[Kontents]

not necessarily...having a good base of knowledge in the eq area can never start too soon...might as well make eq mistakes early. as far as samples sounding thin, its just a matter of tweaking until it sounds right...there isnt one single step for making your sample work. you can eq it in recycle...in fact theres a preset on there called ''remove the lows'' or something to that effect...although after that youre best to tweak it further. also...dont mess with the pitch in recycle...transpose it in dr. rex...it takes it up more chromatically.
here's what i do when i use reason. i chop it p in recycle...after i chop i leave it raw and import it to a dr. rex. once i get it in there, i decide the bpm i want and transpose the samples to fit best. then i use the filter section on the dr rex instead of eq...i find it cleaner and quicker. just change the filter to one of the highpass filters (hp) and move the frequency slider down until it sounds just thick enough. it's actualy better to cut the lows out of your samples in general because it gives the song more room to breathe. then if you want to make it punchier, throw a compressor on there. its all abou experimentation. you also might want to think about using samples with less going on in them.
also when youre trying to play a bass line, play it a couple octives higher at first. its easier to pick the key out that way. once you get it play it down low.
word.

WORD!

 

[TheMost]

Thanks for the replys, good stuff, good read.