rappers who aint from the hood

[StressWon]

Check it,,,,many cats out there claim to be from the hood and they aint. No problem to me,,,but like Jewel Ave said,,,dont FRONT! Werd up man. I mean if ya nice, ya nice. Remeber alotta cats think Biggie is the greatest of all time and my man went to private school. Diddy was from the suburbs. Rappers backgrounds are all "smoke n' mirrors". Did ya know Ice T is from Summit, NJ? Thats a rich ass town over here in NJ. That whole LA thing was created after he signed and moved there. I got a hell of a good source! LOL.....remember,,,,,,its not where ya from, it's where ya at!

 

[1d3nt1tY]

I hear ya stress, IceT wasn't a hardcore pimp gangsta, but the shit just sounded dope to those who were stuck there.

Hiphop has become the chart dominating genre, it doesn't matter where it comes from... but I seriously do not listen to anything that has nothing to do with what I've seen or experienced.

All power to those with the talent to make their dreams a reality, plain and simple! I am not discriminating, or at least I don't mean to... take what I say as a grain of salt, or even less, especially if it offends you.

I'm sorry, but I've had to break my own ass in half just to have a broken down car... started workin at age 12 under tha table to buy myself shoes and clothes and shit like that... I don't really care to hear about a rich kid makin hella money in the game that we call hiphop when he already had a scholarship to the ivy league college of his choice but chose to be "hardcore" or some shit like that. It's annoying.

We'll never know which peeps are truly "real" ... real meaning that they live what they say they live, if you were rich already, let it be, don't say you were broke and starvin barely payin rent when you really sip on expensive wines with $100 cheeses...

We just can't possibly know unless we knew them when they were comin up... just don't false advertise yourself as a gangsta pimp stable owner when everything that you want really just lands in your lap your whole life... If you are from the burbs, then be about the burbs... my car needed oil today, life is fucked could be your debut song... I almost shot a bird with my bb gun today could be the second. but please, no more boy bands in hip hop, we have enough (1 iz enough)!

and don't knock down peeps who listen to shit that they can better relate to... I wouldn't expect that any of you listen to britney spears, so don't expect that I would either, just because it's available and she made a hiphop song.

:grin:

 

[SpLitPerSonaliT]

see now we are getting somewhere.. i've now heard from a few people that they aren't exactly down with rap thats not related to someone who struggled.. people gotta understand that music is music and artists are artists if a dude was born to create music and they chose rap as their outlet even if they never had a tough childhood or whatever they deserve respect just for being a good artist

let me get something clear Jewel avenue u said "I don't repect anybody who doesn't know what it's like to be on the bottom" me personally i don't know what its like to be on the bottom.. i'm not at the top though i haven't had everything handed to me i've had to work for what i've wanted i can't say i've really struggled.. are u sayin u can't respect me as an artist though? I work hours in my damn studio everyday to make my shit tite and from your point of view it doesn't matter how hard i work on the music, I didn't come from the gutter so I'm wack? Pffft.. u can lick my balls if thats what u think.. hip hop isn't some exclusive shit that u have to have payed some kinda dues for.. BOTTOM LINE: THE ONLY DUES YOU HAVE TO PAY IS IN THE STUDIO..

another thing... Just because its hip hop people think theres certain things one can and can't say.. if this was rock and roll anyone can do it and write a song talking about anything like johnny cash sang "I shot a man in reno" if i came out on a hip hop record singing a song about killin a man in reno poeple would be like oh this fool aint keepin it real man he aint tough.. Listen! fuck that shit its just a song made to entertain poeple..

and 1d3nt1ty i feel most of the shit ur saying and agree with it but all that struggle and shit u went through to get a car when u were young is like all irrelevant dude that shouldn't have anything to do with what kindof music u listen to.. let me ask u somthing I can see why u wouldn't listen to some rich kid rappin about shootin his bb gun right ( i woudn't wann hear that shit neither) but what if there was some rich white kid who got excepted to some ivy league school and chose rapping like u said but he rapped some ILL ASS SHIT and u felt every word he said.. would his background keep you from buying his cd?

 

[Equality 7-2521]

Lets face it

HIP HOP was started by black poor innercity youth. Its cool that people from differnt backgrounds are getting invloved. (im all for the love) But being one of those black innercity youths I can't see hip hop straying far from its roots. The ghetto will always influnce the direction and tone of hip hip

class.,.

Hiphop was started by afrikka Bambaata and he made it clear that the idea was for people to unite and live peacefully. he never said "yo this Hiphop thing is for the black youth but if other kinds of people want to get involved thats cool" he was more like "yo this shits for everyone nomatter what colour or background."

see, i concider the "roots" of Hiphop to be the original idea of Hiphop....ie somehting for everyone. sure, black youth were prominent at the begining stages of Hiphop but it wasnt only black youth. it was all the youth who were caught up in trouble on the streets. (yes most were black)

the ghetto has an influence on the direction of Hiphop but it shouldnt. When Hiphop begun it was all about GETTING OUT of the ghetto consciosness. being able to let go and prosper.

my point is that Hiphop is not "straying" from its roots by infiltrating a diverse range of people.....its actually going where is was SUPPOSED to go?

na mean?

 

[classic]

I agree with some of your points mess. With out outside influences hip hop would become stagnant and boring.

But……..

Every art form has boundaries and if u stray too far from these boundaries that art form becomes something else. Ex .blues will always be based in the Mississppi delta. Country music will always be based on the culture of American cattle ranchers etc.

Now im not saying someone from outside this culture can influence that artform(ex look at Eric Clapton a white dude from the UK who is one of the baddist blues guitarist in the word)But they have to play by that art forms rules.

When hip hop strays too far form its roots it will become something else. This is not neccarly a bad thing. In the 50’s gospel singers pushed the envelop and came up with R&B. Blues players pushed their envelope and created modern rock and roll. Funk DJ’s pushed their envelope and created disco. Disco and funk DJ’s pushed the envelope and created HIP HOP!!

All im saying is that hip hop has its foundation in black American youth culture and if you stray tooo far away from that it will turn into something else (that may not be bad).

What do u think??

Class.....

 

[Equality 7-2521]

I think your missing my point.

Hiphop is NOT JUST an art form.....it is a culture too. The culture itself is based on a mind state. Therefor the art is based on a mind state. Country music has boundries because it is based on a lacation but Hiphop is not based on a location. It started in a location....everything HAS to start somewhere. But the culture and the art form which Hiphop encompassed was not based on that particular area which it came out of or those who occupied that area. It was based on a mind state and therefor has no boundries. Hiphop is not a genere. its only a genere because of music industry. If Hiphop had stayed underground, almost anything would have passed as Hiphop as long as the consciousness was there. The idea of Hiphop was not "have fun this way and dont break the rules" it was more like "do whatever you need to do to get down and boogie"

I think Hiphop was designed to evolve.

Just cos Hiphop evolves into other generes or other cultures/countries, it doesnt mean we forget where we came from. It doesnt mean we forget the original message. It doesnt mean we cant call ourselves Hiphop anymore.

So why not cover ground and expand. Hiphop is about expanding your mind into other areas....not staying in a little square.

So again i make my point that we are EXPANDING NOT STRAYING. Hiphop was SUPPOSED to expand. It was meant for everyone all over the world.

There are no limits and no matter how much we expand, we will always remember how it started.

its like a child and its parents. the child cant cling to its parents for its whole life. its in its biology to become an indidual and seek more in life.............but it will always remeber where it came from no matter where it goes.

feel me?

 

[MarkN]

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good post !

 

[FuriousMusic]

I cant agree with someone who rappin about something they do not know, Weather there dope on not. Everybody has a story to tell weather you have millions or theyre dead broke. If you think about it 80 percent od the rappers now start off talking about how broke they are by the time they get to the next album theyre talking about mansions, cars , and rims. I'm not going to buy an album of some guy who lives on a farm no where near the city talking about the mean street and crack deals. Someone made a point that people wont want to hear a rich kid talking about his daddy's trust fund or what grade they goton a math test, etc but we listen to jay-z talk about private planes bentley etc. Like i said everyone had a story to tell it's just how you tell it and if you practice your skills a an mc you can make a hell of a song out of anything.

 

[Loose Cannon]

...I cant agree with someone who rappin about something they do not know, Weather there dope on not...

I dont think there dope if there rappin bout shit they dont know. If you mean dope lyrically, then whatever. There dope lyrically. But no-one will respect them, and respect to me is more important then the money.

 

[def1nition]

I think if you got skills as an M.C./producer you deserve respect when rap began it was just about having fun, makin good music, it started as a party music. Gangsta rap is only a recent phenamena. The majority of people buying the highest rap selling albums are white suburban teenagers anyway. Rap started selling to white suburban teenagers heavily after the advent of gangsta rap so that should say something. I think there's a lot of cats in the game that are gettin put on just because they're from the hood and can halfway rhyme this is F*ckin the game up. People have to realize however that Rap is an inner city artform created by blacks and Hispanics in poor inner city neighborhoods in the Bronx. It probably couldn't have been created by white suburban teenagers because the struggle has a lot to do with it being created, just like the blues couldn't have been created by white aristocratic Europeans.
What people are worried about is people forgetting about where hip-hop is from this seems strange to say now but nowdays you go to a jazz concert and there's mostly whites on the bandstand and nothing but upper class whites and middle- upper class blacks in the audience. The groups are mainly playing music similar to what Miles Davis, Coltrane, and Charlie parker were playing but when most people who don't know much about jazz go to a concert they think that whites are responsible for pushing jazz to where it is now, when most of the jazz musicians in it's heyday were black and from the inner city some of them pimps, hustlers and gangsters.
Maybe I'm wrong but eventually I think this may happen to Rap it happens to every form of black music. All I'm saying is no matter how different you are how ill you are you have to realize where it started because nobody would be where they are if it wasn't for that.

 

[1d3nt1tY]

Just to touch on this again, hiphop is a god inspired art form. It can be about anything you want it to be... will smith had lots of funny stuff and made it to the charts on a regular basis since he started throwin his shit down. It was cool, we all laughed. sir mixalot brought a whole new meaning to baby got back and my posse's on broadway was fuckn dope.

If a person has skills, he's got skills, but I personally haven't bought anything "non hardcore" lately just because I have this taste in my mouth for some seriously foul shit that I have to hear to make it through my day :grin:

If you have skills, you will have a target audience, no doubt about it, but I think that the first post was kinda a bad way to put your thoughts... it kinda hit me wrong at first, but now I know what you are saying.

gangsta rap IS a recent phnomina (1988+)

honestly though, there was real shit long before that that just blew my mind... I grew up watching my dad work his ass off cleaning toilets so I could have a lil sumpthin, and there always bein somethin in the way of actual success... or at least someone bein down on him cuz of his dark skin tone... I couldn't begin to count the times I heard someone sayin somethin under their breath, or my dad almost brawling with a trucker over the color of his skin... I guess this is neither here or there, but it impacted me in a way that just made the type of music I feel resounding through the depths of my inner being... it has to be "real" real meaning what I know... or have been a part of.

"it's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under" man, when I first heard this, I went out of my mind, it was the pimpest shit I ever heard...

look, elvis borrowed his style from black inner city folk, and became one of the biggest names in history, but you would never have seen him give props for it. Just keep that in mind if you make a name for yourself, that's the bottom line.