Question For The ILL Vets (And Noobs)

OGBama

Big Clit Energy
If you been "producing" longer than me (I’m no ILL OG as I’ve been here since 2016) what was the main thing you wanted to learn that led you to producing? As @Iron Keys and @2GooD Productions know I'm an "always in my head" aka overthinker type but as of recent I'm on a "I'ma break this down one goal at a time" long term goal trip.
 
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I started out djing, as I liked to be the one with the newest music that nobody else was playing. As I progressed I just picked up more skills, got better through practice, learned to scratch, it all got better and tighter through practice, lots and lots of practice, hours a day. If I fucked up a mix on a mixtape Id stop and start it all again. I was never much of a dancer, used to be a bit socially awkward too and not a huge fan of large groups of sweaty people, so being a dj got me out the way, where my shitty dancing wouldn't make me stand out like a sore thumb.

Then one day my mate came back from Cyprus and had a joint of Double Zero hash. We smoked it on the stairs outside the flat I used to live, I went indoors after, as he went home. I laid on my bed and heard music in my head that wasnt there. It was good music too, I thought if I can imagine music, then I'll be able to make it, and thus the seed was planted.

I moved away from the djing and now exclusively produce and don't dj at all.

It took me a very long time and thousands upon thousands of hours of practice to get to where I am now. This is why I said to you a very long time ago, "Just Do It", start getting that practice in, there are no shortcuts. As you learn, you will realise there is more to learn, music is the gift that keeps on giving, there is always more to learn, its not until you are ready that you will realise what you need to learn next. No point jumping straight into scales or modes or what a Cmin7 chord is, or suspended chords and chord inversions because its like reading a foreign language until you are ready for it.

Step one, putting loops over other loops, listen to the loops and how they are structured, recreate loops, get to learn timing like swing and how it affects how a beat sounds. Hip Hop is a rhythm oriented genre, the drums and rhythms/grooves are the most important part, the rest is filler. Keep it very simple, get to grips with the very basics, sampling is a very important part of hip hop, for that "authentic" boom bap sound. Get started there. Its the quickest and easiest way to put something reasonable together, while learning as you go, there are many many ways to skin a cat, until your start skinning cats you will never discover all the many fascinating ways to do it.

Train your ears, only through practice to hear dissonance between sounds, train your ears to hear pitch a lot better, a rare few are gifted and pitch perfect but for everyone else it takes practice, a lot of practice. The longer you put things of that is hundreds of hours of potential practice and improvement wasted.

I will finish by saying, if you havent jumped right in from all the years you have been here, Im not sure you have the drive, the burning passion, and desire to just make music, it takes a real passion for this shit, because when people arent too keen on your music, and for a while, they probably wont be, you have to just keep going. Nobody just becomes a black belt, they have to work their way up the ranks, they need to put in the hard work, the dedication, driven by the passion that keeps them sucking up the punishment and conditioning themselves to become tougher, to hit harder, build endurance.
Its the same with the music production, you get out what you put in, nothing more, nothing less.
 

Fade

The Beat Strangler
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For me I was always interested in the technical side of things so when I would listen to music I would try to focus on one thing, like just the bassline, and figure out the pattern. Same thing with the drums. It got to the point where I wanted to know HOW they did it so I bought magazines and even a book about home recording, which taught me a ton of stuff. I had no idea what a lot of that stuff meant in the book but I read it anyway. Then I was hooked so I took some audio engineering courses when I was in Texas and it was just exciting and fascinating. Going into a studio for the first time and seeing a 48 track board and being able to use it was mesmerizing.

At the same time I was always into DJing because I would use my uncle's setup just to mess with, then when I would see music videos and they'd show the DJ cutting it up I needed to get 1200s ASAP. Unfortunately it took me a while but I did and that was a huge part of my life. I was doing mixtapes, parties, battles, and even using a 4-track recorder and an DAT machine to make one of my tapes (even getting a cover done and the tapes professionally copied), which was a trip! But at the same time I was still looking to do something studio related so I bought this bad boy:

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I had no idea what to do so I read the manual from front to back and when I was reading about PPQN then it just triggered my inner audio engineering self and I got really into it.

But like @2GooD Productions said - JUST DO IT.

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It's the only way you'll ever get good at something, but you have to REALLY be interested in it. The thing is though, maybe beat making isn't for you. Maybe it is. For example, if you love art and paintings and you go to art galleries, it doesn't mean you should start painting. Maybe you'd be better working at an art gallery, or teaching art, etc. I'm not saying don't make beats, it's just that if you're REALLY interested in it then you wouldn't be on here asking us, you'd be making beats.

Check out this video that @Armani posted in the chat this morning. That chess nerd gives some great advice. And if you really want to figure things out, read Cal Newport - So Good They Can't Ignore You.
 
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If you been "producing" longer than me what was the main thing you wanted to learn that led you to producing? As @Iron Keys and @2GooD Productions know I'm an "always in my head" aka overthinker type but as of recent I'm on a "I'ma break this down one goal at a time" long term goal trip.
You just gotta put in the hours. Quick question, and not to be rude, but how is it that you've been on the ILL for 20 plus years and zero skills? I don't get it. I really want to see you in these battles some day. Peace and love bama.
 
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TWU

The.Widely.Unknown
It's not something I wanted to learn, but something I wanted to do. Instantly got hooked after getting FastTracker from the guy next door, who was doing some DJ-ing at the time (mainly 90's house music). In high school I turned towards making hip hop beats. Actually one of my art/music teachers taught me the basics of FruityLoops.

Like @2GooD Productions said, you learn the most by doing. I'd say most of my spare time goes into making music, listening to music.
 

Iron Keys

ILLIEN MBAPPÉ
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Mine's a lot more straight forward, ironically, than 2G's or Fade's romantic stories.

I used to read the CD booklets of albums I had.

One day I had a bunch of Hip Hop albums where I was like 'oh I reaaally like tracks like this one' 'these tracks to me sound like how i think music should sound'... reading the booklets, I started to notice all the tracks I liked had one thing in common...

"Produced by Dr Dre" "Produced by Scott Storch."

I then looked into what that meant, and was like, 'ah I wanna make music!'

(Like most things, if I see something I think seems real cool to me, just captures a desire in me to do it. And I do just that: do it!)

So I started, bought some basic version of Cubase (it said used by DJ Muggs of Cypress Hill on the box) my friend DL'd Fruity Loops, and I got to work.
 

Dusty B

ILLIEN
Battle Points: 37
I genuinely just need to zone out and make music for a couple hours a day or else my wires get crossed. So I sacrifice sleep to make a beat and it may sound strange but it's actually healthier for me. Working through the playlist, patters, rhythm, etc. and hearing for a couple hours and then turning it into a final product is therapeutic to me and exciting.
 

Dusty B

ILLIEN
Battle Points: 37
Mine's a lot more straight forward, ironically, than 2G's or Fade's romantic stories.

I used to read the CD booklets of albums I had.

One day I had a bunch of Hip Hop albums where I was like 'oh I reaaally like tracks like this one' 'these tracks to me sound like how i think music should sound'... reading the booklets, I started to notice all the tracks I liked had one thing in common...

"Produced by Dr Dre" "Produced by Scott Storch."

I then looked into what that meant, and was like, 'ah I wanna make music!'

(Like most things, if I see something I think seems real cool to me, just captures a desire in me to do it. And I do just that: do it!)

So I started, bought some basic version of Cubase (it said used by DJ Muggs of Cypress Hill on the box) my friend DL'd Fruity Loops, and I got to work.
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Mine's a lot more straight forward, ironically, than 2G's or Fade's romantic stories.

I used to read the CD booklets of albums I had.

One day I had a bunch of Hip Hop albums where I was like 'oh I reaaally like tracks like this one' 'these tracks to me sound like how i think music should sound'... reading the booklets, I started to notice all the tracks I liked had one thing in common...

"Produced by Dr Dre" "Produced by Scott Storch."

I then looked into what that meant, and was like, 'ah I wanna make music!'

(Like most things, if I see something I think seems real cool to me, just captures a desire in me to do it. And I do just that: do it!)

So I started, bought some basic version of Cubase (it said used by DJ Muggs of Cypress Hill on the box) my friend DL'd Fruity Loops, and I got to work.
Back in the 90's I could tell you who produced a beat on the first listen.
 

Fade

The Beat Strangler
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Another thing is you have to have the drive to really learn something. When I got my drum machine (and then a sampler), I couldn't wait to get home and try it out. I spent hours just messing around with it and before I knew it, I had to go to sleep but I couldn't fall asleep since all I was thinking about was how to do this and that with the drum machine.

Same thing when I got a copy of Cakewalk, or when I got my 1200s. It was like an obsession. And don't forget, this was before the internet of today where you're tripping over tutorials everywhere you go. Plus there was no such thing as YouTube, so how did I learn?

Two things:
  • I read the manual.
  • Trial and error.
I've said it countless times about reading the manual. Just read it and not only will you learn the hardware/software but you'll start to learn about just basic recording. But you have to really want to make beats for this to have any effect.

When I first got my 1200s I wanted to scratch and beat juggle but I had no idea what I was doing, so I watched DMC tapes and tried to figure out what they were doing. It helped a lot but what helped even more was I just moved the record and crossfader back and forth. That's it. After doing that for a while I eventually started to think of other ways I could move the record and fader. I was even working 12 hour shifts at the time and I only had about an hour to myself when I got home but I would still get on the turntables for just 10 minutes. Every day, just something. It doesn't have to be hours at a time, but just do it consistently enough that it just comes naturally.
 

Dusty B

ILLIEN
Battle Points: 37
Another thing is you have to have the drive to really learn something. When I got my drum machine (and then a sampler), I couldn't wait to get home and try it out. I spent hours just messing around with it and before I knew it, I had to go to sleep but I couldn't fall asleep since all I was thinking about was how to do this and that with the drum machine.

Same thing when I got a copy of Cakewalk, or when I got my 1200s. It was like an obsession. And don't forget, this was before the internet of today where you're tripping over tutorials everywhere you go. Plus there was no such thing as YouTube, so how did I learn?

Two things:
  • I read the manual.
  • Trial and error.
I've said it countless times about reading the manual. Just read it and not only will you learn the hardware/software but you'll start to learn about just basic recording. But you have to really want to make beats for this to have any effect.

When I first got my 1200s I wanted to scratch and beat juggle but I had no idea what I was doing, so I watched DMC tapes and tried to figure out what they were doing. It helped a lot but what helped even more was I just moved the record and crossfader back and forth. That's it. After doing that for a while I eventually started to think of other ways I could move the record and fader. I was even working 12 hour shifts at the time and I only had about an hour to myself when I got home but I would still get on the turntables for just 10 minutes. Every day, just something. It doesn't have to be hours at a time, but just do it consistently enough that it just comes naturally.
This craft favors folks who have OCD. All art does.
 
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