One Love America !!!

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Formant024

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^^^^ or dutch hehe, Bronx, Harlem, New York are all dutch names.

But same goes for me, I have problems with the US system and government and yes, very clearly but that is not an attack on the people. Maybe it's shauvinism, patriotism or whatever makes you feel offended but dont attack my ass if you cant follow the context of a conversation because you read one line which fellt like attacking all the US citizens. Second, the nature of most remarks are not what I call factuall or would fall in terms of an argument, more like fishing for a decent offensive on what had been said. Ima keep objective to the topic in discussion in favor of the topic itself, you feel like beefin than you have problem with yourself....not me...

As for the "no idea about america", I have loads of former collegues from the US as to anywhere else, have US friends since a little kid and definitly know where they're coming from while growing up pretty much near the AFC HQ. And as much you'd want to stereotype anything outside the US, we stereotype americans aswell, sometimes I'm right and sometimes people know better whether they're from the US or not, mostly these people have travelled and have travelled for a long time all over the globe. None of them remain the feeling of an american or whatever, they're world citizens.

Class, I agree with ya, you come to A'dam and the second idiot with a bandana you come across would portray himself as a bigger american then the first one. You might wonder what is wrong with this guy, but I'm also wondering the same thing. Germany is even worse, the more fubu they can where the better, with all hiphop gear i.g. These people are posers, prove a point, I wear this gear cuz now Im hiphop and my shoes are seen on mtv, cuz pharrel wears them too. Fact is indeed that the US is a image copied (exploited) by US firms across the globe and yes, shocking surprise, people are easily influenced, let alone have an opinion of their own. But the point is that you recognize a culture when you can look beyond such items, all good looks and make believe.

Now this is to me a sort of propaganda. You see some influential guy in a clip wearing a new kind of sneaker and the bitches in the clip are hotter than "mc-I-really-dont-care", you gotta have it. You bought the shoes...now it goes, the shoes are made in god knows what poor country and kids are being cheaply exploited. The company exploiting the shoes has no plans on bringing such info into press because it fucks up the PR model and customers complain, leaving the company with loss. Now they're lucky, the general concensus has no clue where these shoes come from, they look cool and reasonably cheap in terms of popular shoes. Life goes on, foreign kids exploited, customers happy.

In a corny and simple way it's how I look at the US, as long as the people are happy they wont bother politics. It has nothing to do with the american dream or way of life because that indeed doesnt say anything to me, but in short the US political system tends to make sure people have nothing to complain about, americans overconsume because loads is cheap but beneficial products or services aren't for the average or poor Joe. There are tax structures and individual motivations for entrepeneurship that open one of the doors to the american dream, I mean, damn, you all can carry a gun. So yes, there are so many priviliges for being an american, but there are also loads of contradictions into all kinds of simple issues that still contradict to a healty or wealthy way of life. But with it takes attention off government activities or doesnt weigh up to change a man's ethics to act upon it. The question here is whether this is delibiratly subtle censurship, use of power or just under control by but I know that the big TV networks would not submit anything relevant that would make the republicans or affiliated industries appearant in such shady or scheming display. It's always coloured to give it it's best looks when instead the truth is ugly as fok.

But this not politics, this the way you all live you life far away from politics and I think that's how the US politics (the republicans) want it to be. You're living a democracy but I dont see the where that idea comes from besides from having votings etc.

I understand that the US alone is huge so if your interest for foreign news doesnt go beyond the US borders I think it's understandable, but the other way around is opposite. In the netherlands there are numerous parties and individuals that study the US political movements and all that's affiliated with lots of interesting in depth documentaries and articles, for those who watch public television that is, all the other commercial channels are dominated by rerunns of rerunns of rerunns. They'll show pretty much the same stuff you get on tv overthere.
 
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The Bastard

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Haze47 said:
i mean come on, all white americans are from england anyway!!!
WHAT ARE YOU A CLOWN? THERES MORE CULTURE HERE THAN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. NOT ALL WHITE AMERICANS (INCLUDING MYSELF) ARE FROM ENGLAND. U SAY U WANT WANT A TRUCE BUT I DONT THINK U REALLY DO.BY THE WAY U TALK YOU SOUND IGNORANT TO THE FACT THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD ESPECIALLY YOURSELF IS INFLUENCED BY AMERICA, LIKE YALL DONT NEED US AND WHERE JUST GETTIN IN THE WAY. IF THATS HOW U FEEL U SHOULD FALL OFF OUR DICK AND STOP EATING AT MACDONALDS.
I LIVE 5 MINUTES FROM WHERE THEY DUMPED OVER 300 CHESTS OF BRITISH TEA INTO THE WATER AND SAID FUCK YOU TO ENGLAND. IS THAT WHY YOUR MAD? CUZ THE U.S. ISNT ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT THE ENGLISH CAN BITCH AROUND LIKE SAY IRELAND.
































































































P.S. BUSH IS A DICK, BUT BLAIR IS A HOMO
 

CampO

BEAT u DOWN
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Hmm if we Aint All influenced By American Culture what are we Doin on this Site No Offense Haze But to not Understand that then its Makin yourself Look abit Ignorant

I mean we On This Site Called Illmuzik Run by a Guy from Montreal, Canada and im pretty sure as you probably are that Montreal Did not start Hiphop so .........
 

Haze47

THE URBAN ARCHEOLOGIST
ill o.g.
ok bastard, whateva you say, yes im pissed of because of the boston teaparty....right
 

Rhythmikal

Beat's Disciple
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BASTARD said:
IGNORANT TO THE FACT THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD ESPECIALLY YOURSELF IS INFLUENCED BY AMERICA, LIKE YALL DONT NEED US AND WHERE JUST GETTIN IN THE WAY. IF THATS HOW U FEEL U SHOULD FALL OFF OUR DICK AND STOP EATING AT MACDONALDS.

this isnt a shot at you Bastard, just using your quote, but i think that ^^ is exactly why alot of us hate america.

out of Europe its mainly Britain who are on the bandwagon, if you go Spain, Portugal and as you yourself will know Italy, u can see that their isnt as much of a influence from america, they live their own culture with pride (especially in italy).

i dont like this feeling that everyone looks up to and 'needs' america - it aint the case - thats where the bombs come from.

sAfE.

p.s i dont hate america, just naturally dislike certain things, as americans will engish.
 

classic

I am proud to be southern
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Haze i have nothing against ur personally so i dont want u to think i do, like u said i enjoy sharing my views as much as the next man

Formant-- u touched on a lot of good points, i think the most important was the fact u disgingued the actions of a goverment from the actions of the people. I hate bush and some of our govement policies just as much as eurpoens do.

I noticed when i was over there i had to explain this to alot of euproean cats. Most of them assume that sense im from american that i support bush as well as all our govement policies. This simply isent the case. Fucked up shit happens in american, but it also happens in other countries as well, i just never people talkin about that stuff in here. FOr example lets look at the spainish french and english colonization of africa. Some of the attroiscities commited in these ciricumstatnces are FAR worse then what the US goverment is doing right now. But again the world media isent talking about that..... They are talking bout IRAQ, and why iraq, casue money is involved.

My point is this, the US govement is doing some fucked up shit, but we aint the only ones man..... Just take a look around. Take a good look at yourself before u start thowing salt our way....

class...
 

Formant024

Digital Smokerings
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CampO said:
Hmm if we Aint All influenced By American Culture what are we Doin on this Site No Offense Haze But to not Understand that then its Makin yourself Look abit Ignorant

I mean we On This Site Called Illmuzik Run by a Guy from Montreal, Canada and im pretty sure as you probably are that Montreal Did not start Hiphop so .........

.........so what ?

Dude, what's that gotz to do with anything? I live in the Netherlands, my beats dont sound US like so I dont make hiphop in your terms. Now we're some sort of nobodies or what ? Like I'd care about the tag anyone else puts on it, I'll live n breathe the lots and the end of the day half the globe would call it hiphop besides some americans because nothing foreign cant be real since it didnt originate in the US. For a part your right, I started out on 3 feet high n rising, the digables, gangstar etc, from there I develop my own which goes for pretty much any else that executes any element in hiphop.

Montreal started hiphop, just not as long ago as NYC did...big deal...
 

Formant024

Digital Smokerings
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classic said:
Haze i have nothing against ur personally so i dont want u to think i do, like u said i enjoy sharing my views as much as the next man

Formant-- u touched on a lot of good points, i think the most important was the fact u disgingued the actions of a goverment from the actions of the people. I hate bush and some of our govement policies just as much as eurpoens do.

I noticed when i was over there i had to explain this to alot of euproean cats. Most of them assume that sense im from american that i support bush as well as all our govement policies. This simply isent the case. Fucked up shit happens in american, but it also happens in other countries as well, i just never people talkin about that stuff in here. FOr example lets look at the spainish french and english colonization of africa. Some of the attroiscities commited in these ciricumstatnces are FAR worse then what the US goverment is doing right now. But again the world media isent talking about that..... They are talking bout IRAQ, and why iraq, casue money is involved.

My point is this, the US govement is doing some fucked up shit, but we aint the only ones man..... Just take a look around. Take a good look at yourself before u start thowing salt our way....

class...

Listen, people all over the world can be ignorant or naieve but half the peeps dont read or listen untill yo make it very but very clear you're talking about a government. Everytime I say the US or America doesnt mean Im critizing the public, that's a downright moronlike, clearly not thinking with your head. You cant blame the people for the government they have, you can blame them for not voting or voting for Bush but no right thinking mind is blaming Globalisation on an american individual. Logicaly you know that doesnt make sense but it does seem like lots of cats think that's exactly what saying because they dont read or listen or dont understand what's been said...

For you guys, you're on the net already and take the effort to read about it a bit before dropping such nonsense.

It's really silly man, like haze would all of sudden get beef with whoever while all the time when peeps are online act like its a hippy commune all cudley n shit, now were debating on a issue which explodes for no reason in nothing but stupidity. You wanna debate learn the rules and come with arguments and behave, you dont like what you read then reply like an adult at least try to act like one cuz you only seed hatred so just be bigger than that and get with the context.
 

Formant024

Digital Smokerings
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And i agree class, in fact European countries are responsible for the effects slavery you see today, that includes the Netherlands aswell, especialy them and I feel far from proud but I do like the dutch people, they got nothing to do with it.
 

Rhythmikal

Beat's Disciple
ill o.g.
damn if you think about it the title of this thread is the reason the towers fell.
 
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The Bastard

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Haze47 said:
ok bastard, whateva you say, yes im pissed of because of the boston teaparty....right
SPEAKING OF THE BRITISH IN IRELAND,HAVENT THEY BEEN OCCUPYING THERE SINCE THE MIDDLE AGES? WHY? I THOUGHT YOUR GOVERMENT WAS SO MUCH BETTER THAN MINE SHOULDNT THEY BE SETTING A BETTER EXAMPLE? IM TALKIN ABOUT THE BRITISH INVASION,AND I DONT MEAN THE BEATLES SON. LIKE CLASS SAID EVERY COUNTRY DONE WRONG,AND IF THEY HAVENT ITS BECAUSE THEY COULDNT. AMERICA ISNT THE ROTTEN APPLE OF THE WORLD.
 

Rhythmikal

Beat's Disciple
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^^ hmm the people of Northern Ireland WANT to be part of Britain, else there wouldnt be a Northern Ireland... the nation of Ireland has been seperate for years...

however a certain party in Ireland who go by the name of the IRA though they would nail bomb a few English cities becasue we wouldn't give Northern Ireland back. but why should we when the people there want to be on our side?

England cant take the blame for all the trouble with Ireland.
 

StressWon

www.stress1.com
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Man I cant believe this shit. Once again opinions lead to another closed thread. No wait, not even opinions just bickerin. Let people say what they say and leave it. Whatever arguement, disagreement,,,whatever yall havin,,,there were valid points on both sides but then name callin and country bashin is fuckin gay. All countries are dirty and the world may be headin for the proverbial shithole,,,,so thats all the more reason to stop fightin,,,bunch a bitches! LOL< just playin.
 
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