Official Kanye West thread

[Cold Truth]

i aint ridin dudes nutz yo... i only posted on him because i thought it was weird to see so many people hating on him.... and cold truth you pretty much illustrated my point about coming up with some weird analytical shit on why not to like his music... but i guess you got to when you cant dis his music straight out you'd have to come with some round about reasons huh... i could go through and pick your post to shreds on why it aint got nothin to do with wether or not the music is good... but all i will really say is... " i wonder what Jesus thinks about that...." you've got to be shittin me hahaha... come on now... thats what is dope about music... you allowed to express all kinds of shit... even ideas that contradict each other on some level... and ill tell you what jesus thinks about that... jesus liked his ho's in shape.... you ever seen a picture of mary magdeline? it looked like she worked out... nah but seriously i got to say it again... truth you perfectly illustrated what i was sayin... you aint really comment on his beats or his rhyme skillz except one little line out of many many paragraphs... you dont like his personality? it "rubs you the wrong way" haha ... YOU SHOULD BE THANKFUL HE IS IN THE MAINSTREAM... i cant think of one other cat in the "mainstream" that can come close to being real hip hop.... and the cats kanye is bout to put on are real fuckin artists that deserve to get on ... (bumpy j, consequence).... but yo i gotta ask who do you like.... christian rappers? seriously i know you said you done posting about it but please as a favor to me just one more post... tell me who you do like... cause all that shit you said you eliminate alot of if not most people out...

if you would have actually read my whole post, you would have seen "I JUST DONT LIKE THE PRODUCT" but apparantly you didnt see that part. i addressed what inspectah wu had called kanye's "positive music" and i merely pointed out a few things that i didnt believe were all that positive.... i wasnt even really taking a moral stance on it. on the Jesus walks thing, yeah. the rest, no... i was giving my perspective on what someone else mentioned as being "positive.

you want critique on his beats and his rhymes? besides the fact that he blows himself on half of his lines? how about, "couldnt afford a car so she named her daughter alexis" ummmmmm ok thats corny as hell to me. "light skinned friend look like michael jackson, dark skinned friend looks like michael jackson" in reference to the two frineds his chick was bringing along.... yeah, ok. his "miracle whip" line, which he acts like is the end-all-be-all of wordplay is old as can be (i've heard rappers using variations of that exact same line for years) and he bigs that up like its so original.. his lame ass left eye line... "first alliyah now romeo must die?" that doesnt even really make sense.... all of his word play is very forced.

as far as the beats i like certain tracks but DAMN cant ya'll stand to let someone else NOT be on his nuts?

you talk abuot how music allows people to say things, even things that contradict themselves- and i mentioned what i percieved as kanye's contradictions IN THE CONTEXT OF THE FACT that if myself or any other artist who isnt on that level do something that contradicts ourselves, we would be AND ARE NOT given tha tsame leeway. we're called hypocrites. the double standard i spoke of was from KANYE"S FANS, NOT KANYE.

THEN, if you werent paying attention STILL, i said that while i felt the way i did about certain things that OTHER people would find hope and encouragement in those songs... and i said MYSELF that i analyze things deeper than other people, so your litle tirade is a mute point.

i even went as far as to mention the tracks that i DO like, but kanye's teabag crew cant seem to notice when people write those things about him that dont jock everything he comes out with. you either jump on the bandwagon and act like he is the greatest thing that has ever happened in the history of the world or nothing at all.... you cant stand to see people have their own opinion on th ematter, can you?

next time pay attention to the CONTEXT of what someone writes before you "pick them apart".

as far as artists i do like....... what does that matter? explain how that matters? the only christian artist i like is Mars Ill. thats it. i like the roots. i like biggie.... i like black star and common... outkast... things like that... satisfied? what does this do for you?

oh, and take notes from N.U.G.... perfect example of how you can disagree without acting immature about it, and be respectful. you could learn something from him.

 

[MadScientist]

If I don't like it, I don't like it ..... I don't need a valid reason other than his style does not sound good to my ears .... I don't care for it. It's that simple .... I don't like sampled music .... Kanye's voice is annoying .... It's a matter of taste. Some like the taste of beer, some don't. Is the person that doesn't like beer wrong when he says beer is nasty? NO! some people acquire a taste, some don't ..... they don't need intelligent reasons why.

 

[Cold Truth]

damn, nice response mad. i never thought of it that way....

 

[gram green]

cold truth ...........

"next time pay attention to the CONTEXT of what someone writes before you "pick them apart".

as far as artists i do like....... what does that matter? explain how that matters? the only christian artist i like is Mars Ill. thats it. i like the roots. i like biggie.... i like black star and common... outkast... things like that... satisfied? what does this do for you?"

i read your posts thoroughly and if you read mine i said you only mentioned his music one or two lines out of pages of bullshit.... and why i asked what artists you liked is because you pretty much eliminated every good artist in the game by being a self rightous bitch about shit... you like biggie? .... yet your "offended" or whatever by kanye making drug dealing seem ok to kids and his disrespect of women.... you better get rid of all your biggie common and outkast shit.... if you dont want to contradict yourself.... thats why i asked cause i knew it would just show that your reason to talk shit about kanye are really founded in your hating and not based on the quality of his music... so you come up with some bullshit to make it seem based on something besides senseless hating... thats all... and again i aint on his nuts... i just get tired of cats that aint doin shit hatin on people for blowin up.... as far as ridin his nutz... i aint... his beats aint fuckin wit mine.... maybe if you put the effort you put into being so self rightous and writing pages on why kanye aint good you might get somewhere with your music.... i probably made 3 beats in the time you were writing a couple pages hatin on kanye.... YOU LIKE BIGGIE ... every single shit you said bout kanye could be said bout biggie... anyways you proved my point though... thanks

 

[Cold Truth]

i didnt say that kanyes drugs offended me.

i responded to someone mentioning kanyes positive message and poited out a few things that really werent...

what part of tha tdont yuo understand? i didnt take a moral apporach to it, did i? i never said that it offended me. i never said that at all. again, read the damn post. i said that in the last post as well. i wasnt being self righteous. i think i have posted enough of my own personal shortcomings and sins that that doesnt hold any water at all. i didnt take a moral stance on any of it- someone pointed out that people just cant stand to hear someone talk about positive things , and i said well, whats so positive about it? everyone is under some false impression that his music is all positive things and i pointed out that it wasnt all positive... i didnt take a moral stance on it. the "wonder what jesus thinks about hat" comment was the punctuation of that... and again no moral stance. i do have my personal feelings about that song which i explained....

and looks like yuo failed to miss another point of mine "i cant sit here and act like this is all 100% truth" and yuo know, to sit there and try and call me "self righteous" proved my point TO A T- your so stuck on dudes nut sack that his own contradictions mean nothing to you, and you talk about how "thats the beautiful thing about music" is the ability to say anything, even if it contradicts...

but like i said, if i did that, i would be called a hypocrite... which you essentially did without using the word.

as far as your beats and me not doing anything.... lol... your a funny cat.... you know nothing of my abilities... kanyes beats aint fucking with yours? ive never even heard your ass in the showcase...please... and if you made three beats in that 10 minutes of me writing im sure they are pure garbage....

aint nobody being self righteous here, you really just took things you didnt understand fully and ran with some bullshit thats mad false.....

 

[RigorMortis]

If someone doesn't like what you like, why do you call it hating? In reality by calling someone else a hater your hating on them for there views and opinions. So is Illmuzik a site with a bunch of haters on it? Just because someone simply says "I think kanye is poop" That's not hating .... that's expressing your opinion on his music. Some people like it, some don't. Some relate, some don't. I'm getting real tired of the endless attacks on people who don't care for Kanye ..... they act like you have to like his music and if you don't something is wrong with you. I personally think Kanye is crap. He has made some cool beats .... but to ride his dick like some of my fellow illmuzik family members do is down right disgusting. If you like him and his music that's fine ... I'm not forcing you to not like him. So why do you force those who do not like Kanye to like him and his music?

A big word up to Mad Scientist!

I am not hating, I am straight dissing here. If I think something is wack I speak my mind. Hating is something you do if you envy something or someone. I do not at all envy Kanye, I don’t like his music and I don’t like his attitude. Lot of producers do hate cause they want to shine out there with the so called big boys, I aint going that way cause I simply don’t care about all that. Cause I don’t want to revolve in an industry, hiphop is a culture no industry. All that bling bling urban faggots should get a headshot straight away. Everyone acting jiggy should rest in peace like biggie.
A valid argument about musical taste? There is no such thing my friend. You like something or you don’t simple as that. I vibe to hiphop and other good music.
Maybe you are down with DeathMethal Goth shit? Or maybe you aren’t. You can vibe to it or you cant. Simple as that.
What I am stating here (like I said before). I am not on the tip of getting a dick shoved up my mouth and going to swallow. I go out and look for good music so I do not consume what the media is feeding to all that cats out there, who act like they are down with hiphop in fact they are getting an incest bukake experience from the media.
And I am not the type to dislike everything that is successful, if you are a good artist and get your music sold big up to you for staying true. Selling your music is dope selling out to the masses never earns any respect. Cause respect got nothing to do with that.

At the start of this topic and my previous topic I was talking about the interview. And I didn’t speak of his music. Aight. Kanye remarks that was hating. If you dont see that you must be blind or blindfolded with a dick in your mouth. And I am no fan of Nas. But to say the following:

Juice: 'Is College Dropout a perfect album for you?'

Kanye: "Perfect? I don't know. 5 Mics? Yes indeed. The only album I would give 5 Mics except mine is Jay's 'Blueprint'. And tell me, who produced the best songs on it? There you go! I mean, who do you want to give 5 Mics? Tell me one reason why I don't deserve 5 Mics? Peoples say there's better rappers than me, but what does that show? I mean, Ras Kass is a good rapper. But all his albums suck. Has Nas done an album that was as good as mine?Before this issue you had him on the cover and gave him a 10 page story. I heard, he has many fans in Germany, but why? Because they love loosers"

That is being stuck up like hell, you should get punched straight at your face for that. The only album hahahaha or Jays blueprint haha that was no 5 mics either. Don’t be kidding me for real. He is dissing the whole of hiphop, the builders. This kid aint for real, he is a salesman lying and knowing nothing. Total Arrogance. He prolly forgot about KRS, PE, RAKIM and all of them hahaha. 5 mics from the source? The source hahaha. The source also known as the urban lifestyle magazin for urban cunts.
He aint nowhere close to Nas or anyone else. His beatskillz are average, nothing to be so stuck up over and nothing to be hyped up this way. I don’t believe the hype like lots of people do. He aint a superproducer, so he should be happy he is making a lot of money with his average skillz and shut the fuck up. Cause going beyond where you stand only tells shit about your ego.
And what the hell does he know about Germany? And calling all of them looser lovers? Big chance the hiphopscene is more true in Germany than in the States.

And you wonder if I heard it, yeah I heard and it didn’t have me convinced at all. Concerning his rapskillz they are below average. I don’t mind basic rap, but he comes of at it straight wack with punchlines that couldn’t knock out a baby.

And what the fuck does my opinion on which recent albums I consider classic got to do with this whole issue? That is just stepping out of this argument. And I will never call a recent album a classic, but that is my opinion though. Calling something classic should not be done lightly and should always take some time so you can put in perspective of a certain period.

If I don't like it, I don't like it ..... I don't need a valid reason other than his style does not sound good to my ears .... I don't care for it. It's that simple .... I don't like sampled music .... Kanye's voice is annoying .... It's a matter of taste. Some like the taste of beer, some don't. Is the person that doesn't like beer wrong when he says beer is nasty? NO! some people acquire a taste, some don't ..... they don't need intelligent reasons why.

And another word up to Mad!

And this topic aint about Kanye could have been anyone else portraying himself in a way he is far from but this topic is about dickriders.

 

[Formant024]

that's real sad man...

And that's an intelligent remark ??? Can't answer a question because your perspectives aint that big and you call me sad ? Djeezzz

my man "Formant024" just mentioned that he has never actually heard Kanye's album although he has "heard one track when switching channels, accidently, on Mtv"

Shit, I heard it once and that's once enough to make my opinion. And yeah, accidently, I dont like to watch corny ass videos and crappy music. What's it to you ?

and based on this he makes comments in this thread about "exploitation issues" or something.

It's the difference between an artist and a product. If you dont know it's cool...or something... or read up through some industry threads, there actualy no use in pointless remarks... or something...

 

[N.U.G.]

no disrespect, "Formant024" and "RigorMortis", but you both seem to be judging Kanye West on things OTHER than his music. Your main problem with him seems to be;
1. he has a record deal with a major record label
2. he's selling a lot of records / achieving commercial success
3. because of his arrogant personality

do y'all realise that Kanye recorded the bulk of "The College Dropout" BEFORE he was signed? Lots of things happened before he was finally able to get a recording contract with the Roc. In things had worked out just a little differently, Kanye West's album could have easily been an underground, independent release. It would have still been almost exactly the same album though!

If that had happened then all the "record companies are bad", "I don't listen to commercial music", arguments that y'all are throwning up would have been irrelavent.

Do you see that you have these prejudices set up that prevent you from appreciating good music? Don't get it confused, these prejudices are exactly the same as racial prejudices or any other type of prejudice.

I've personally known a couple of racist muthafuccers and they would say things like;

them: "yo, fucc Asians - I hate them"
me: "why?"
them: "just look at them - fuccin Asians. I hate everything about them"
me: "yo man, you're tripping. Asians are people just like everybody else."
them: "fucc them"
me: "have you actually taken the time to get to know any Asian people? I have, and the Asian cats I'm friends with are all cool people yo"
them: "why would I want to get know some fuccin Asians? I sat next to one on the bus once and he smelled bad and I hate everything about them"
me: "you're being an ignorant d*ckhead - get the fucc out of here with that bullsh*t"

you could easily replace some of the general comments from this thread and you'll see similarities in the prejudices in terms of the ignorance that these comments are based on

some of y'all (soy): "yo fucc Kanye West - he's wack."
me: "why do you say that?"
soy: "cause I don't like him. and he represents all that commercial bullsh*t. to me Kanye equals consume or die.
me: "hell nah, his album is dope, have you heard it?"
soy: "fucc no! I've heard one track when switching channels, accidently, on MTV and it sucked"
me: don't you think you should try to listen the album first? you might actually like it"
soy: "why would I want to do that? I can't stand any of that commercial bullshit!"
me: "well what music do y'all actually like then? maybe you could recommend some artists that I might be interested in hearing cause I'm open to all types of hip-hop."
soy: "what the fucc has that got to do with it? and if you must know, I hate all music, the only music I like is my own etc. etc."

I mean c'mon y'all...

 

[N.U.G.]

If I don't like it, I don't like it ..... I don't need a valid reason other than his style does not sound good to my ears .... I don't care for it. It's that simple .... I don't like sampled music .... Kanye's voice is annoying .... It's a matter of taste. Some like the taste of beer, some don't. Is the person that doesn't like beer wrong when he says beer is nasty? NO! some people acquire a taste, some don't ..... they don't need intelligent reasons why.

and as far as this comment. I understand and respect what you're saying.

I don't like wine, and if someone asked me why, my answer would simply be "I don't like the taste of it and I don't like alchohol or any other drugs".

IF however someone was a wine taster or an aspiring wine taster, the same way that we are music producers or apiring to be music producers, you can for damn sure believe that this person would be able to come up with a detailed and intelligent reason on his/her dislikes, likes and general opinion about that particular wine.

Most of us on here know and love music, so when discussing music, I hope we can offer a little more than "it's dope" or "it's wack" when making a point...

 

[Formant024]

^^^The funny thing is, both of us are actualy an ethnic minority... and dutch yeah.

You havent been reading I guess, or maybe Im not really clear here.

NO, I didn't like the few fragments of music I heard from him and I did listen long enough to not go through the whole track because I know what I hear and made my conclusions;

1. Not my taste
2. A product of many

What's there not to get ? This doesn't apply to you and semi-portraying this issue as racist mf's is actualy the biggest disrespect regarding the whole mentality on this board. What are you thinking ?! Just plain stupid.

Like said before, stay objective on the thread, leave my/our main problems out of it and worry bout your own and for fug sake, dont push it.

If there's anything PM me, keep this BS out.

 

[N.U.G.]

^^^The funny thing is, both of us are actualy an ethnic minority... and dutch yeah.

You havent been reading I guess, or maybe Im not really clear here.

NO, I didn't like the few fragments of music I heard from him and I did listen long enough to not go through the whole track because I know what I hear and made my conclusions;

1. Not my taste
2. A product of many

What's there not to get ? This doesn't apply to you and semi-portraying this issue as racist mf's is actualy the biggest disrespect regarding the whole mentality on this board. What are you thinking ?! Just plain stupid.

Like said before, stay objective on the thread, leave my/our main problems out of it and worry bout your own and for fug sake, dont push it.

If there's anything PM me, keep this BS out.

I don't know what your talking about with your comment "both of us are actualy an ethnic minority... and dutch yeah."

all I'm saying is what I've already said;

you seem to be judging Kanye West on things OTHER than his music. Your main problem with him seems to be;
1. he has a record deal with a major record label
2. he's selling a lot of records / achieving commercial success
3. because of his arrogant personality

I mean c'mon dog you heard one track! ONE TRACK!!!

If I'd heard just one track of say "Immortal Technique" or "Murs" or whatever I wouldn't even be commenting on a thread about that artists saying all types of stuff acting like I really understand that artist and their music and what they represent when I've only heard one track and don't know sh*t at all about that.

my point into the the racist stuff is that all prejudices are based on ignorance. I'm in no way saying you are racist or that anybody on here is racist. What I'm illustrating is that it appears that you and some other cats appear to be prejudiced agianst mainstream music which I highligthed by quating actual converstaions I've had with cats.

can you not see the similarities?

fallback man.

 

[Formant024]

Shit I cant even name one track by Immortal Technique or Murs, so besides being racist, ignorant and prejudice, I must be pretty stupid too. You got anything more coming along ( read the bottomline )

Ignorance is assuming you know me, which you obviously dont.

Prejudice are weak assumptions

Fallback ?!?! What's that supposed to imply ? Is that subtle for shut up ?

Last time, stay objective on the thread, I feel you getting personal and guess what ...

Use the PM.

 

[RigorMortis]

I don't know what your talking about with your comment "both of us are actualy an ethnic minority... and dutch yeah."

all I'm saying is what I've already said;

you seem to be judging Kanye West on things OTHER than his music. Your main problem with him seems to be;
1. he has a record deal with a major record label
2. he's selling a lot of records / achieving commercial success
3. because of his arrogant personality

Yo man learn to read, cause you are coming up with some conclusions that arent there.
A record deal with a major label doesnt conflict with my view on music.
commercial succes this is a thing i grant everyone
A disfunctional personality can get any one some punches in the face that be true.

I mean c'mon dog you heard one track! ONE TRACK!!!

I heard the whole album and more than once. And it aint all that.

If I'd heard just one track of say "Immortal Technique" or "Murs" or whatever I wouldn't even be commenting on a thread about that artists saying all types of stuff acting like I really understand that artist and their music and what they represent when I've only heard one track and don't know sh*t at all about that.

Like i said i heard the album and i also heard murs albums and immortal techniques and farther from that i even got immortal tech to the netherlands which no one dared, i got maclethal over here, and brooklyn academy will come in september.
So I dont talk shit.

And believe me i am for from ignorant and dont come comparing this here with racism cause that is crossing the boundary right there. I''ve studied a lot of social issues and encountered such things being a minorty myself. This is a matter of taste, dickriding, getting fed what the media is giving you and all the other things i brought forward in my previous post.
Racism is straight hate and if someone in the streets makes a racist remark he better know how to use his legs cause i will break them.

IF however someone was a wine taster or an aspiring wine taster, the same way that we are music producers or apiring to be music producers, you can for damn sure believe that this person would be able to come up with a detailed and intelligent reason on his/her dislikes, likes and general opinion about that particular wine.

Like i said, you are not able to read correctly, cause in my previous post i tackled this issue. A short repetition of this.
He is an average producer and he is a poor MC.
If you think otherwise you should expand your musical knowledge.

Fall back? Come up with some reading skillz and a good argument. Cause your falling right now. And dont be hanging around with them racist fools cause they are losers for real and they wont catch you when you fall.

 

[StressWon]

I am not hating, I am straight dissing here.

That shit cracked me up,,,ya honest and I like that about ya Rig!

 

[N.U.G.]

Shit I cant even name one track by Immortal Technique or Murs, so besides being racist, ignorant and prejudice, I must be pretty stupid too. You got anything more coming along ( read the bottomline )

Ignorance is assuming you know me, which you obviously dont.

Prejudice are weak assumptions

Fallback ?!?! What's that supposed to imply ? Is that subtle for shut up ?

Last time, stay objective on the thread, I feel you getting personal and guess what ...

Use the PM.

yo man, I'm not even saying you should know Immortal Technique or Murs or whoever - I'm saying that I personally wouldn't make comments on an artist if I'd only heard one track of theirs. I thoroughly educate myself on something before I make comments about it.

"Fallback" means "stand down" or "check yourself" etc.. I don't have a problem with you at all man - I wish you and everyone on here health, wealth and hapiness. If I was talking reckless about something I didn't know a lot about - I'd expect someone to tell me to "fallback" . Also, if I was taking someones illustration of the similarities in two different forms of prejudice and then I was trying turning it around to make it look like they were making a personal attack on me - then I'd expect someone to tell me to "fallback".

If you've got anything else you want to say about Kanye West's music then post it up here anytime. If not, it's all good man - keep making your music and doing your thing. I wish you all the best.

 

[N.U.G.]

Yo man learn to read, cause you are coming up with some conclusions that arent there.
A record deal with a major label doesnt conflict with my view on music.
commercial succes this is a thing i grant everyone
A disfunctional personality can get any one some punches in the face that be true.


I heard the whole album and more than once. And it aint all that.


Like i said i heard the album and i also heard murs albums and immortal techniques and farther from that i even got immortal tech to the netherlands which no one dared, i got maclethal over here, and brooklyn academy will come in september.
So I dont talk shit.

And believe me i am for from ignorant and dont come comparing this here with racism cause that is crossing the boundary right there. I''ve studied a lot of social issues and encountered such things being a minorty myself. This is a matter of taste, dickriding, getting fed what the media is giving you and all the other things i brought forward in my previous post.
Racism is straight hate and if someone in the streets makes a racist remark he better know how to use his legs cause i will break them.


Like i said, you are not able to read correctly, cause in my previous post i tackled this issue. A short repetition of this.
He is an average producer and he is a poor MC.
If you think otherwise you should expand your musical knowledge.

Fall back? Come up with some reading skillz and a good argument. Cause your falling right now. And dont be hanging around with them racist fools cause they are losers for real and they wont catch you when you fall.

yo man all that tough talk ain't nothing and it ain't necessary either.

you're telling me I can't read? you're the one responding to some stuff I directed at the other dude (like only having heard one track) and making out like I was directing it to you.

You think Kanye is an "average producer and a poor MC". That's cool - you're entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I'm also happy that you came out and said it cause this thread has a lot of talk about a whole bunch of stuff OTHER than Kanye's music which is what we're supposed to be discussing.

I personally think that Kanye is a very good producer (8/10), a good rapper (7/10) and that his album "The College Dropout" is a classic (10/10).

And for your info I don't hang around ANY racist fools. That was back in the day in high school yo. I also don't hang around ANY ignorant or predjudiced people either.

keep doing your thing man and good stuff with touring Immortal Technique, Mac Lethal and Brooklyn Academy

peace

 

[RigorMortis]

you didnt disarm any arguments and putting forward some way out of line comparisons and about the tough talk that is the way i like to debate, yeah true maybe too harsh but i dont care about that, i made a point but it got turned around. from my point of view you dropped some wrong conclusions and that is the way i react on them that is all.

 

[N.U.G.]

you didnt disarm any arguments and putting forward some way out of line comparisons and about the tough talk that is the way i like to debate, yeah true maybe too harsh but i dont care about that, i made a point but it got turned around. from my point of view you dropped some wrong conclusions and that is the way i react on them that is all.

it's all a matter of judgement and interpretaion but these are the main factors that determine an albums classic status in my opinion - QUALITY (dope beats and rhymes), IMPACT (on sales, music and culture) and CLASSIC SONGS.

Here's why I personally consider Kanye's album to be a classic

KANYE WEST - THE COLLEGE DROPOUT

1. QUALITY

Produced by Kanye West himself, one of the best producers in hip-hop at the moment, the beats are all banging. The whole way the album is put together is very impressive. Background vocals, guest appearances, interludes, skits etc. all fit very nicely.

As far as rhymes - Kanye does his thing. Kanye's not Rakim, but his flow is tight and he maintains a cocky yet entertaining playfullness thoughout the album along with some moments of appropriate seriousness ("Jesus Walks", "Two Words" etc.). Kanye also displays exceptional honesty, allowing him to share his total self to the listener through his music.

Guest spots are dope too, including stellar performances from "Jay-Z", "Twista", "Mos Def", "Talib Kweli", "Common" and more

2. IMPACT

In terms of sales, College Dropout must have sold 3-5 million by now right? Sh*t, it been about 6 months since it came out and it's still pushing around 40,000 units every week still.

In terms of music and culture, "College Dropout" has bought a resurgence of consiousness back into hip-hop. He's not De La Soul or Tribe Called Quest but "all we got left is this guy called West". It's been a long time since someone has made a quality and successful album that had elements of social consiousness mixed with the rare qualities (in modern hip-hop) of honesty and soulfullness (i.e. not thugged out or commercial bullsh*t).

3. CLASSIC SONGS

- "All Falls Down"
- "Jesus Walks"
- "Spaceship"
- "Never Let Me Down"
- "Get Em' High"
- "Slow Jamz"
- "Two Words"
- "Through The Wire"

holla!

 

[RigorMortis]

I personally dont consider college drop out a classic, i do agree with some of the terms you put forward that should be the ingredients of a classic, but still i think you forgot one important thing about the impact factor, a rakim, krs and public enemy had a massive impact on the hiphop culture with their albums/classics, they brought real changes with them, like wu did in its early days. To see if this impact is reached by college drop out one should look back and is not able to judge now. Although i personally dont think kanye''s music will have such an influences ofcourse he is selling a lot but he isnt changing anything at all and his music doesnt have a cultural (hiphopculture) impact.

Classic where ya at we be talking about you.
A topic like this can get those newbies in the beat this in no time, they should check it out next time lol.

 

[RigorMortis]

that aint no impact, that is a commercial choice, everybody wants to sell, kanye is selling good, so they on his dick and immitating, the next succesful joker will be imitated just as easily, that aint no cultural impact at least if we are talking hiphop. And i dont mind a sped up vocal, just dont over do it, it plays out too easy.
A real impact inspires a scene, this is just plain immitating and this is not about a scene called hiphop.
Every time a succesful joker appears we get topics like, anybody knows where i get those drums joker a uses, or those basslines that joker b uses, or the melodies joker c uses. Those topics are just to sad, go find your own way.

Btw, i love a harsh debate but getting personal always makes you lose.