monitor speakers

[Kontents]

oh and to shonsteez, what if you wanted to eq a bass line that intertwined with 3 different types of kicks. that running at like 50hz, your not even going to be able to pick up the small noise differences with just the two regular cabinets. so in the long run, it will help knowing what your bottom end will sound like with the assistance of a sub.

Wouldnt you consider EQ and Ducking to help Identify the meshing between each kick and the bass? I mean if the freq intertwine within each other then you are definitly going to want to consider compression and ducking to keep them from smashing into each other for a balanced mix.

 

[Shonsteez]

Guys, first of all I'm not advocating you should absolutely never consider mixing with a sub - thats just my personal preference and my educated opinion.

Secondly, i never said that one particular monitor will fix all your problems - you still have to have an ear and the experience that comes with using it.
But in regards to the choices of monitors Savage G wants to pick from at that price point, I would easily choose the RP8s and suggest that you "dont" need a sub to have excellent mixes in the hiphop genre.

there's no speaker that is really better than one or the other.

I totally agree 100% that you need to know your monitors as much as you can in order to know when your hearing something false or not, but I would have to highly disagree that just any monitors will do.
I mean, yeah I have KRKs and I dig them alot but I also use them because thats the price point in which I live in right now!...Hell if I had the money I would easily be monitoring through Adams or Genelecs. And not becuase theyre soooo much more expensive and cooler or something, but simply becuase they do what theyre supposed to do - give you a reference to what your hearing back in your mix as flat as possible without any kind of "colorization" from the drivers, cabinet, or filters inside the unit.
Your just not going to get that level of quality from any monitor. The KRKs are however a really good deal for what you get since they are great reference monitors in comparison to their competition at that particular price point. - Thats why i bought them in the first place.

Lets be frank, their still budget-buy monitors. Thats exactly why I said earlier you really get what you pay for when it comes to studio monitors. Its the unfortunate reality of the situation.

think about it, the people that are actually going to be listening to your mixes are not going to have nice monitor speakers, they're just going to be using a typical boombox. so why not, go ahead and use a boombox to mix. in peoples cars, everyones got the bass cranked to 11.

I gotta disagree. You should always try to mix for any kind of system out there. Thats the whole point of buying good reference monitors in the first place! - Your goal as an engineer is to create a mix that plays as good as it can on ANY system, and the better reference your monitors are - the closer your going to be to a mix that translates the same on all systems.

Why do you think so many professional studios still use those old Yamaha NS-10s!? Because for the longest time and still to this day they are one of the best reference monitors out there that provide a very neutral, non-colored image, truest to what your hearing as possible.
Have you ever mixed on NS-10s before? They have little-to-no low end reinforcement in regards to 50hz and below but they are still heavily used even in many hiphop studios. Why? Becuase what you hear is what you get on most systems, and thats the goal.​

 

[Shonsteez]

oh and to shonsteez, what if you wanted to eq a bass line that intertwined with 3 different types of kicks. that running at like 50hz, your not even going to be able to pick up the small noise differences with just the two regular cabinets. so in the long run, it will help knowing what your bottom end will sound like with the assistance of a sub.

Your right. Your not going to hear that as well or at all depending on how low the signal is but that goes right back to what you were mentioning before about knowing your monitors.

In situations like this it would be helpful to have a sub since you can hear ALL of that low end information as much as possible, but you can still hear most of it without a sub and like you said - as long as you know your monitors you can make the appropriate adjustments without its help.