Monitor Help,,,,,(FUCK)

StressWon

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Okay, so I dont have the loot for real monitors but for now I copped some joints off eBay. Cheap joints nuttin special,,,Pyramid 3080's. Man, I can't wire these bitches up for the life of me man. Anybody got any ideas? I just copped a new soundcard, Maudio Audiophile(Thanks Clev),,,and I have it going into my eurorack mixer. I get audio fine thru the mixer, but only to my headphones. My dilemma is this:


I have the negative and positive (black and red) hook ups in the back of the speaker. So the wire needs to be naked and put in. Then the other end of the wire is also naked with two ends(Y shaped) I hooked the ends to a 1/4" mono jack then plugged it into the mixer,,,,nuthin,,,then to the soundcard,,,nuthin. What should I do besides stomp the circuitry out of the mofos!?!
 

bigdmakintrax

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you may want to check the unobvious....I got 2 behringer mixers from old skool gathering dust.....make sure you have the routing correct for the main output....sometimes there is a button that you have to push to enable the the main output....headphones usually mirror the control room signal, even though you hear it fine or low thru the monitors....just double check.....what model is the mixer? do you have control room outputs on the mixer? if so plug into there and see what happens if you get good sound, you need to mess around with the push button switches on your console that tell you the routing of the busses and channels so the main outputs are active.


oh one more question....what kind of amp do you have? or are the monitors powered?
 

bigdmakintrax

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he said the signal is getting to the mixer (he can hear it thru the headphones ok...so its not at the soundcard i dont think......thats where his signal is coming from.....my usual thoughts are if that card does not have a pre amp out.....and those monitors are not powered......he needs and amp LOL.....very seldome do wires go bad unless they are SUPer cheap or been in your basement rusting...especially if you dont have a 1/4 inch plug at either end and its just copper strands.
 

StressWon

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bigdmakintrax said:
he said the signal is getting to the mixer (he can hear it thru the headphones ok...so its not at the soundcard i dont think......thats where his signal is coming from.....my usual thoughts are if that card does not have a pre amp out.....and those monitors are not powered......he needs and amp LOL.....very seldome do wires go bad unless they are SUPer cheap or been in your basement rusting...especially if you dont have a 1/4 inch plug at either end and its just copper strands.


dude, I had to attach the 1/4" to the copper strands myself,,lol..no there not powered. I have the MX 1604A. I need new monitors,,,these were for "Now",,,dig?


@Fade:
no.
 

bigdmakintrax

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hopefully with solder LOL hahaha man you got some shit for fun over there Stress aint you got a Radio shack....naw but now this even confirms more....if I hook my events up to my mixer without an amp there is not enough current to drive them ...... what I was saying is to use them monitors you need to drive them.....possibly.......you rigged up the wires with 1/4 inch....do you have RCA output on mixer? maybe that would be easier to test....you can leave the RCA on one end and cut the other end off that wire.....
Good luck man
 

Louie Lou

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Found this around....may be of some use.

Check your wiring standardse


Probably the single most common mistake for beginners is the wiring of an XLR plug. You'd be amazed at how often beginning technicians confuse the numbering and wiring of a simple XLR connector. For who knows why, it does not go from one to three or three to one. Rather, pin 2 is designated to be the hot or in-phase pin, pin 3 to be the cold or out-of-phase pin and pin 1 is ground. Years ago, there was no agreed-upon standard, and you may still find equipment with pin 3 wired hot. This is especially true with older, non-U.S. equipment and even some old Ampex VTRs. Check the operating manual for the pin configurations.

For 1/4-inch TRS (stereo plugs), military-style, bantam or tiny telephone connectors and jacks, the tip becomes pin 2 (hot), the ring pin 3 (cold), and the sleeve connects to the shield.

If you're dealing strictly with monaural signals, you can get away with a few phase reversals in your connectors and you probably won't notice it. However, connect two mics out of phase and try mixing them together and it's a completely different matter. The signals will cancel and create moving acoustic phase errors, resulting in havoc for the audience (and engineer). The fix is to swap the hot pin wire with the cold pin wire inside the XLR plug on one side of the offending XLR connecting cable. If you use this alternately wired cable to connect the two units, they will now be hooked up in-phase with each other. Be sure to label that cable as phase-reversed so that if it is unplugged and used again, it will be designated for use only when you need to reverse a phase. It's better to use commercially built phase-reverse adapters. They provide a quick and easy solution to phase problems. You can even paint them a special color so you'll know where they are and when they are in use.

Have a few phase-reversed cables and patch-bay jacks available in your studio, especially for use with rental or guest equipment that may have alternate pin configurations being brought in. This can save time and trouble if someone wants you to interface a special device.

If you need to make a cable with a 1/4-inch, unbalanced, mono connector on one end, and an XLR on the other, you must combine two methods of wiring. The hot connection goes to the 1/4-inch plug's tip on one end, and to the XLR connector's pin 2 on the other. The shield goes to the 1/4-inch plug's sleeve, and pin 1 on the XLR connector. If you are using single-conductor, shielded cable, you are done on the 1/4-inch side. For the XLR side, make the wire bridge between pin 1, which currently has the shield connected to it, and pin 3.

When wiring a 1/4-inch, unbalanced plug using balanced cable you have to combine methods. Connect the hot wire to the plug's tip and both the shield and old wire to the plug's sleeve.

Now that you know all you need to know about wiring XLR connectors, stop. All this becomes even more critical if you're dealing with powered microphones. When using phantom power for condenser microphones or direct boxes requiring power, you cannot connect the low side of the cable to ground. You cannot use unbalanced cables in these applications. If you do, you're going to ground or short the power supply. Not good.
 

StressWon

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Louie Lou said:
Found this around....may be of some use.

Check your wiring standardse


Probably the single most common mistake for beginners is the wiring of an XLR plug. You'd be amazed at how often beginning technicians confuse the numbering and wiring of a simple XLR connector. For who knows why, it does not go from one to three or three to one. Rather, pin 2 is designated to be the hot or in-phase pin, pin 3 to be the cold or out-of-phase pin and pin 1 is ground. Years ago, there was no agreed-upon standard, and you may still find equipment with pin 3 wired hot. This is especially true with older, non-U.S. equipment and even some old Ampex VTRs. Check the operating manual for the pin configurations.

For 1/4-inch TRS (stereo plugs), military-style, bantam or tiny telephone connectors and jacks, the tip becomes pin 2 (hot), the ring pin 3 (cold), and the sleeve connects to the shield.

If you're dealing strictly with monaural signals, you can get away with a few phase reversals in your connectors and you probably won't notice it. However, connect two mics out of phase and try mixing them together and it's a completely different matter. The signals will cancel and create moving acoustic phase errors, resulting in havoc for the audience (and engineer). The fix is to swap the hot pin wire with the cold pin wire inside the XLR plug on one side of the offending XLR connecting cable. If you use this alternately wired cable to connect the two units, they will now be hooked up in-phase with each other. Be sure to label that cable as phase-reversed so that if it is unplugged and used again, it will be designated for use only when you need to reverse a phase. It's better to use commercially built phase-reverse adapters. They provide a quick and easy solution to phase problems. You can even paint them a special color so you'll know where they are and when they are in use.

Have a few phase-reversed cables and patch-bay jacks available in your studio, especially for use with rental or guest equipment that may have alternate pin configurations being brought in. This can save time and trouble if someone wants you to interface a special device.

If you need to make a cable with a 1/4-inch, unbalanced, mono connector on one end, and an XLR on the other, you must combine two methods of wiring. The hot connection goes to the 1/4-inch plug's tip on one end, and to the XLR connector's pin 2 on the other. The shield goes to the 1/4-inch plug's sleeve, and pin 1 on the XLR connector. If you are using single-conductor, shielded cable, you are done on the 1/4-inch side. For the XLR side, make the wire bridge between pin 1, which currently has the shield connected to it, and pin 3.

When wiring a 1/4-inch, unbalanced plug using balanced cable you have to combine methods. Connect the hot wire to the plug's tip and both the shield and old wire to the plug's sleeve.

Now that you know all you need to know about wiring XLR connectors, stop. All this becomes even more critical if you're dealing with powered microphones. When using phantom power for condenser microphones or direct boxes requiring power, you cannot connect the low side of the cable to ground. You cannot use unbalanced cables in these applications. If you do, you're going to ground or short the power supply. Not good.




Thanks, but i'm confused even more,,lol,,,it goes from positive and negative from the back of the monitor. The copper strands plug into the back. As soon as I find my usb cord for my camera,,,i'll post pictures,,,1



or maybe go to guitar center and get credit,,and buy a moinitor.
 

trez260

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i thought for monitors you need an amp. i guess you bypass having an amp, but i dont know if that's prefered. i'm wonderin if this is the case because you said you where able to get s ound out of your headphones but not the monitors. sorry i couldn't be more help homie. don't let it frustrate you tho. you'll get it. Peace.
 

O-H-TEN

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I have a similar set up with a Behringer MX 2004A mixer. The only thing I can tell you is that you need an amp. Your monitors are not getting enough wattage because there is nothing there to amplify the sound. That's why it sounds so low. You can go into your computer and try turning up the output volume to the max but that would probably cause you more distortion than what it's worth. You would do better using rca jacks going into a boombox. LOL! Atleast the sound would be amplified.
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