is 4 elements enough?

[Equality 7-2521]

OK...so we have MCing, DJing, Breaking and Graff.

Where does producing come into it?

back in the day, the DJ was concidered the producer when he would continuously restart loops from one deck to another.

but today, production is more important that ever. cats are leaving the faders and wax to the DJs and dedicating their lives solely to the art of production.

should producing be an ELEMENT of Hiphop or should it just fit in with DJing .....or beatboxing?

I think producing needs more recognition. Do cats just think these instrumentals come from thin air?

what do you guys reckon?

 

[dacalion]

Well I reckon (lol) that producing should stay under the DJing catergory. Like you said yourself, "back in the day, DJ's were considered producers...". Producing music is a form of DJ'ing, it's a different way to do it compared to what DJ's did back in the day but it's main function is to provide music and beats for an artist. Thats exactly what DJ's did back then and still do today. I agree that production should get special attention for a million reasons but I'm ok with it falling under DJing.

--dac

 

[Equality 7-2521]

well...id have to disagree that producing (these days) is a form of DJing. banging on an mpc or fucking with reason has nothing to do with being the jockey of wax disks.

but hey, if it doesnt bother anyone else, im aint gonna sweat it.

 

[dacalion]

I'm only suggesting that the 2 are related by them both providing music. A DJ plays music and ad-libs with scratching and mixing...A Producer makes music. A HUGE part of hip-hop production (what a Producer does...) uses scratching and mixing ( what a DJ does...). So the 2 are directly related and coincide with each other. You could almost say that a Producer is an advanced DJ...

--dac

 

[bigdmakintrax]

Well the thing is that even though you might not think that production has nothing to do with djing nowadays, the beats, patterns and techniques used on computer based equipment emulate what the djs were doing to make beats for mc's all the way back to the simplest pattern or first beatboxes like the sp12 it was what a dj brought to the table that even gave hip hop music the swing and feel that it has, dj's were the first beatmakers man, using a 4 track recorder or going to a studio to dump their beats and loops into a finished beat......producers nowadays use a sequencer(hardware or software) and a sample(vinyl or synthetic) to emulate that same feel...just like a DJ/producer was doing you have to step back and understand the concept of what you are doing is based on, I don't think there needs to be an added element it is understood......