Illmuzik is keeping the internet alive.
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Leopard Cohen
ILLIEN
Battle Points: 61
I can't stand what the internet has become, and it's by design. If you're interested in nerding out, and while you still can, search up the term 'enshittification' for info. Sadly, I think we're in the twilight of sites like this one. I'm glad I found it before the fascio-tech-bros replace their shitty search engines with even shittier chatbots.
"Stop talking with each other and buy shit"
"Stop talking with each other and buy shit"
FADE
OGBama
Big Clit Energy
Please don’t.
OGBama
Big Clit Energy
It died with the intro of FB.
That shit is real and saddens me.
Mike Chief
ILLIEN
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 10
Been feeling this way for awhile too. I mean as far as the theory goes, I believe that it is more accurate than not. And real shit, ILL is one of the last imo that still has that same feel as back then when us more tech saavy peeps were finding/creating communities online. Its so watered down now, and it truly is a reflection of society. The sense of community is few and far in between even off the net. I mean yes, all things that have a beginning must end, but goddamn. I used to actively look forward to the time spent connecting with like-minded people thousands of miles away; discovering things, sharing knowledge. At least its still alive here.
OGBama
Big Clit Energy
I’m @Mike Chief secretly envious of anyone who had the privilege of working in a music scene (especially for Hip Hop) for any genre(s) in the pre Internet era.
Mike Chief
ILLIEN
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 10
I feel you on that. Shit, Im not even secretive about it. Twas a whole different game then.
But, I will say that the late 90's early 2000's (of course Im biased) was just a fuckin magical time. For those who really werent in a position to find gear or even really know where to start, could find similar individuals in the same boat and learn together. It was such an interesting space...gone were the days of relying on others to promote yourself and your music. I mean its a whole different beast now, but there are definitely some positives. Take a look at Alchemist who really is running his own ship without the need of a middle man. Thats the ideal spot to be in. The converse side of that is literally every fuckin body being a rapper or a producer/beatmaker, and then the ones who sell their shit at Wal-Mart prices that water down the whole fuckin business. As with anything theres a give and take.
But, I will say that the late 90's early 2000's (of course Im biased) was just a fuckin magical time. For those who really werent in a position to find gear or even really know where to start, could find similar individuals in the same boat and learn together. It was such an interesting space...gone were the days of relying on others to promote yourself and your music. I mean its a whole different beast now, but there are definitely some positives. Take a look at Alchemist who really is running his own ship without the need of a middle man. Thats the ideal spot to be in. The converse side of that is literally every fuckin body being a rapper or a producer/beatmaker, and then the ones who sell their shit at Wal-Mart prices that water down the whole fuckin business. As with anything theres a give and take.
Its same for visual arts too.
One of the issues is, and I always say it, quality control.
It's a double edged sword or a contradiction, because I love the fact that music and art is so much more accessible now (as opposed to having to be rich to get involved), however, the thing that is now missing as a result of the Internet, is quality control.
They'll let anyone on Spotify, and that's insane;
Having A&Rs, Radio Hosts DJs and producers, etc etc, this helped ensure that shit stayed where it's supposed to be. (And yes, fully get that there can be issues with that dynamic too),
But now you have 8 year old Bobby downloading some loops and throwing some poorly produced mushy mess of a mix ai mastered with his crusty gaming headset mic recorded vocals Mains hum getting uploaded on Spotify.
The issue is, respectfully, the public and general people DO NOT KNOW QUALITY, and I get that can sound arrogant and counterintuitive as the listeners/customers decide, but there is big truth to it.
Aunt Sally from the Suburbs who has no idea about how music is made will be impressed just because audio is recorded and put together. Same how you can impress unknowing clients or friends with poorly typeset/designed visual work - they know no better. And some clients are the same.
Usually these people won't win the big clients, or agents or management etc, however, they lower what's expected /acceptable... if Aunt Sally will pay to listen to Bobby's audio bullshit, why bother hitting that multiplatinum engineer for a mix/master? Why bother signing that ultra talented artist. Pay for shit and put out shit, cause people will buy it.
Today's Internet society, its created a generation of Attention Deficit kids. Even myself I'm guilty and victim to it - I used to love albums and play them relentlessly, go back to them, look out for new music; now I barely give a shit - Spotify goes on random play, I'll favorite some shit, if something really strikes me I'll check an album out, probably play it a few times and then completely forget about it (even if its damn incredible!)
So if that's me, imagine the kids of today/tomorrow... they just want the next exactly sounding the same trap track and dribbling questionable sexuality rapper. It's just all a homogeneous pile of low quality shit. And you're weird if you like anything else.
Today's Internet, Discord and Reddit seem to be the new version of forums, Discord seems to be like the old chat rooms- full of bullied, rejected emo/depressed girls and boys who have an unhealthy incel relationship with manga and anime. Seems to be popular with trans people.
OGBama
Big Clit Energy
I @Iron Keys miss quality control as the upside was artists could not just fuck around and waste studio time.
This is the part I am grateful for as I grew up thinking that music was solely made by prodigies and professionals and wasn't told anything different if I recall.
Did you hear about them putting lyrics behind a paywall?
Underlying issue with that dynamic was the "quid pro quo" (think Puff Weinstein-Epstein) aspect of "gatekeeping" (peep Jessie Reyes "Gatekeeper" track) that people are now exposing.
This is the part I am grateful for as I grew up thinking that music was solely made by prodigies and professionals and wasn't told anything different if I recall.
Did you hear about them putting lyrics behind a paywall?
Underlying issue with that dynamic was the "quid pro quo" (think Puff Weinstein-Epstein) aspect of "gatekeeping" (peep Jessie Reyes "Gatekeeper" track) that people are now exposing.
thedreampolice
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Ok, watch this
I wonder if there is a way to create an old school internet. Where we use links and directories and NOT SEO. Surely there are other sites like illmuzik for all kinds of topics that would fit in to this. Hmmm….
I wonder if there is a way to create an old school internet. Where we use links and directories and NOT SEO. Surely there are other sites like illmuzik for all kinds of topics that would fit in to this. Hmmm….
After all these years, you are finally coming over to my side. Congrats, I'm proud of you, lol.
Fade
The Beat Strangler
Administrator
illest o.g.
@thedreampolice Good timing on posting this video. I'm actually in the process of making changes to ILL, I'll be announcing it soon.
For a long time I've hated what the internet has become and Google right now is a mess. I've noticed recently how bad the search results are both on Google and Youtube. It's terrible. And this guy is right that it doesn't matter what we use, it all comes back to what Google has done.
Years ago I worked for an SEO company doing development but I still had to work on SEO, which I hated. All the clients wanted to either be the first result or be on the first page, so we would try all these stupid things to get ranked. I remember one thing the company did was they would get someone to write a couple of paragraphs on whatever the customer's site was about, and stuff a bunch of keywords in there. They would put it on the homepage so that Google would see that right away.
Eventually I realized how stupid it was. I've fallen for those practices years ago when doing stuff for ILL or Youtube but since Google is always changing their algorithm anyway, it's pointless. And now businesses are going to be using AI eventually to churn out endless articles, which is going to be a nightmare.
For a long time I've hated what the internet has become and Google right now is a mess. I've noticed recently how bad the search results are both on Google and Youtube. It's terrible. And this guy is right that it doesn't matter what we use, it all comes back to what Google has done.
Years ago I worked for an SEO company doing development but I still had to work on SEO, which I hated. All the clients wanted to either be the first result or be on the first page, so we would try all these stupid things to get ranked. I remember one thing the company did was they would get someone to write a couple of paragraphs on whatever the customer's site was about, and stuff a bunch of keywords in there. They would put it on the homepage so that Google would see that right away.
Eventually I realized how stupid it was. I've fallen for those practices years ago when doing stuff for ILL or Youtube but since Google is always changing their algorithm anyway, it's pointless. And now businesses are going to be using AI eventually to churn out endless articles, which is going to be a nightmare.
I could never be fucked with all the SEO bollocks, I got my site on Google front page by buying some ads and linking to my site from here and MySpace. That worked then never needed to pay for adds again.
The enshittification is irrefutable.