i use only pc's 2 make beats

[afriquedeluxe]

ive neva used no hardware in beatmaking except a mic which i used to record some wierd sounds.
Da reason being i cant aford no real samplers yet. So all my beats r done on pc. When i first started da beats sounded crap, like midi sounds. But after i got da hang of reason and cool edit, ive learnt how to use these programs jus like a real sampler.
Most things dat can b dun on a sampler, i can do in reason.
Reason is a powerful program but da problem is when peeps use it, they jus use da ready made stuff and all da sounds in it, they dont take da time to explorer wat it can really do. I havent got a real sampler yet, but i think reason can easily emulate it.
Am not against hardware at all cuz if i get da money, i'll buy a sampler, id rather work wit a real mixer dan a virtual one.

 

[JPeg]

ThaFormula.Com - What kind of equipment did you use to record the album Ninth? I know that you kind of just got by with whatever you could, but what specifically?

9th Wonder - (everyone laughs) Let the record show, as far as how we hooked it up, it was a damn computer, an old Gemini mixer, and two little mono speakers. As far as a lot of the stuff you hear on "The Listening," I had to "guesstimate" a couple of trial runs to really get the stereo effect. What else? An old ass amp like the Ohio Players used (laughs) from the '74 "Love Rollercoaster" tour. We really used archaic equipment. The only thing we really used that was new was the computer and the mic. I mean, we didn't even have a booth. It's not like some studio where you know you're on one side and you have to hit a button to talk to Phonte in the Booth, "yo take it from the top 'Tay!" Nah. It was more like "okay now, everyone in the room gotta be quiet!" When we recorded "The Way You Do It" and "The Yo-Yo," it was like D-12 up in there with so many people. Everyone had to be still and be quiet. I'll hear some cat's like, "I got this studio and this big board," and I'm like "Why?!"

Phonte - I mean, if you've got the money more power to you, but the equipment is only as good as the people behind it. If you make wack beats on the SP, then you're gonna be wack on the MPC. If you can't get it done on a 4-track, you ain't gonna get it done on a 100 track? It's just giving you more ways to fuck up. I liken it to the difference of putting a drunk driver behind the wheel of a '72 Ford Pinto or a 2003 Corvette. You put a drunk nigga behind the wheel of the Pinto and he ain't gonna cause that much damage, but you put him behind the wheel of the 'Vette? It's over, get the children off the street. You got these niggas messin' with pro-tools and all these effects, and their album sounds like a damn train wreck.

ThaFormula.Com - What led you to start creating beats on the computer Ninth?

9th Wonder - A friend of mine, a good friend of mine by the name of Leroy, (Yorel) he's a Justus League member. We used to argue a lot about who was better, DJ Premier or RZA. I'd say Primo, he'd say RZA, whatever. One day Leroy was like "Yo come down, I'm makin' beats on the computer!" I'm like "why not" so I went down there to his room to check it out. So I'm clickin' around and the first joint I make is garbage, terrible. So I walked away from it came back later. After that I think one of the first joints I made was called "Paper Lines," a joint me and Phonte did a looong time ago.

Phonte - Yeah, like '98 or so.

9th Wonder - It was cool so I ran with it. I mean, I really wanted to learn on a SP or MPC or whatever but I thought, Little Bother has got to revolutionize. But come on man, the MPC is really just a computer in a box!

ThaFormula.Com - A little smaller with a bigger keyboard.

9th Wonder - I mean what's the difference, you may beat a couple pads on the MPC, but I might be clickin' on a mouse. A lot of niggas think because I make beats on the computer that it's gonna sound digital or high tech and futuristic, but I can make my shit sound as dirty as 1991 if I wanted to. I love makin' beats on the computer, I learn new things about it everyday.

ThaFormula.Com - I think a lot of people are gonna change their minds and flip after they hear this album.

9th Wonder - Exactly, it's like whoever the first motherfucker was to use Pro-Tools, now Pro-Tools is everywhere and everyone uses it.

ThaFormula.Com - Yeah, like Rodney Jerkins, that guy owes his career to Pro-Tools.

9th Wonder - Yeah, I can do the same thing. As long as Phonte and Pooh believe in me, and what I can do on the computer, then we should fuck everybody up.


taken from http://www.thaformula.com/little_-_brother.htm

 

[Barock]

I really prefer Hardware, messing arround with the MPC, midi-keyboard, synths, mixer and turntables give me the satisfaction i need whyle making beats. I used to do it on the PC as well, but I need real knobs and faders and stuff... I use the PC only for recording...

 

[BeatOff]

PC's are dope to use if you can use them, so many people are brainwashed and think hardware is the only option. I dont understand that because PC's are so much more powerful than any hardware, you can have a 124 track mixer in your comp that does everything a 75 thousand dollar hardware one would do for 1/1000th the price. Anybody who disses PC beats just because they were made on one is a dumb fuck who knows nothing about producing anyway. You always get a few idiots who think they know something and always bring up pro tools like thats the only thing you can use to make a beat on a pc. Most people use pro tools only to mix down their shit anyways. Now days software and hardware go hand in hand when making beats, cuts time in half and makes things much easier its 2003 not 1988.

 

[Myndz]

I use to fuck with pc's to make tracks..I was using modplug tracker & he took me years to make a single beat.When i got the hang of it i copped an asr..and i rather bang the pads then to click with a mouse now that i see the difference between the two.

 

[Barock]

Originally posted by BeatOff
PC's are so much more powerful than any hardware

I don't care about power, as long as I have fun while making a beat

 

[BeatOff]

Fun is whats most important.

 

[Some Guy]

Power. MORE POWER!

 

[BeatOff]

LOL

 

[vitaminman]

Hey,

NOTHING beats the flexibility, scaleability, price and power of a PC, but nothing beats the stability of hardware.

Take care,

Nick

 

[stabster]

Personally I like hardware better. I just love my mpc

 

[CashakaAlvcurd]

why can't u use both? Right now! After being jacked for most of my gear. and have to start all over with low funds. I'm using my Dr 5 and my pc and ever sounds smooth.

 

[Nasir]

The computer is ok, if you can withstand using it, Im not a mouse-clicker, so hardware is my choice, but when the money wasnt there, I was mouse clicking away along with a casio keyboard as a controller

 

[stabster]

Although i got my mpc i use a computer along with it for many things.

 

[Helios]

I hate those lamers talkin bout bein a producer... only using the computer. thatz wack

 

[BeatOff]

Originally posted by Helios
I hate those lamers talkin bout bein a producer... only using the computer. thatz wack

Your an idiot.

 

[Formant024]

Both should be in favor if you like a flexible setup to work with, but a pc is not present in the first stage of production, neither would it be in the last stage of production. PC is very wel capable of editing, recording and playback any production on a professional level without having a PowerPulsar fitted in a P4 granting u succes in quality. Emulating is kinda disappointing, meaning that current VST/DX plugs still wont match with a deasent synth ( A or D ). Many wont agree on this, but I am shure that those people dont have that much experience with hardware synths ( A or D ) that could have told them otherwise. I know this is quite easy to say because wanting to work with hardware means serious investment to achieve only the basic ( but o so flexible ) setup. I will point out a few personal perspectives. Having analogue/digital synths enables you to create your own library of sounds, when knowing a lot of synths ( Brands + Types ) by the distinct sounds they supply you can figure out what your preferences are when determing what is you are going to produce ( genre, subgenre ). So instead of going through tons of samples or bad emulators figuring out what to use, you already know whats possible ( thinking project wise in production means beginning at the end and then work back, hearing the beat in mind and knowing how to place it ( by any medium ) and making it in a minute. It's knowing your equipment.
Another issue is that for some sample discs/ emulators, I'd rather use the original sound source instead of those featured samples. I hate 808 samples for instance, I have like tons of 808 kits but I'd rater sample them from the Novation Drumstastion because they sound true to the original dynamics ( compare it with 480x640 to 1600x1200 resolution ). But the real option would come after you made your 808 loop on the Novation by a MPC. Now i can choose and decide to further finish this track with hardware only ( no mastering ) or to record it to *.wav on a pc.
In my case it goes through a 2 trck DAT first and then into the PC for recording because of DAT's nice AD/DA converter and for the fact that my novation wouldn't have opt. out . In this way I make a lot of loops, sequences or record phrases and generating a pile of waves for my library for use in FL, Reason, Logic, Cubase or FT2. But all sounds are by my equipment and you wont be able to tell the difference by sound if it was produced on pc or by hardware. You would tell the difference when you use a pc only because, buying hardware means you buy different flavors giving a variety of output. An emulator means getting loads of flavors with the same output. Eventualy it is the quality of sound you put into a pc that would supply you with quality coming out of it. And if your serious in making music, get a cheap pc which is not even up 2 date ( like a P3 ) and start collecting synths.

 

[BeatOff]

^^I'm having a hard time understanding what your trying to say.

 

[vitaminman]

Hey,

I seriously wish you guys would write in ENGLISH so that everyone else could understand what you're saying...there's a reason why we all go to school and learn how to spell, use commas, etc.

Nick

PS: Here's a translation of Formant024's post:

Both a hardware or PC setup is good, but no one uses pc's during the first and final stages pf production.

A pc is capable of editing, recording and playing back a track on a professional level without having to run a Pentium IV computer with a Creamware Power Pulsar soundcard (a soundcard that does a LOT of things, it is very expensive).

I don't like soft synths very much; VSTi's and DXi's are not as good as hardware synths, both analogue or digital. Many won't agree with this, but this is probably because they don't have much experience with real hardware synths.

It's easy to say all this because wanting to work completely with hardware requires a large financial investment just to get a basic (but flexible) setup. Let me make a few points:

-Having hardware synth enables you to create your own library of sounds. You are also forced to learn how it operates so that when you have an idea for a sound in your head, you can easily program it instead of going through tons of sample cd's or bad softsynths looking for something that already makes that sound for you.

-Samples and emulators don't sound as good as the real thing. I have hundreds of 808 samples, but I prefer to use the Novation Drumstation because it faithfully recreates the dynamics of the real TR-808. I first program a pattern on the MPC, trigger the Drumstation, then record the audio onto my DAT player because I like the a/d convertors on it. Once I've built up a library of nice sounds, I dump them into my PC to use later in Fruity Loops, Reason, Logic, Cubase or FT2 (?). Because all my audio came from real hardware, they will sound better.

-Having different hardware means that you are dealing with different physical outputs and convertors. These each add character to the sound which cannot be recreated by emulating defferent synths on a computer which all share the same convertors on the soundcard.


At the end of the day, in order to get good sounds out of your PC, you first need to put good sounds in it; if you're serious about making music, buy yourself a cheap PC (PII or PIII) and buy hardware synths.

 

[Some Guy]

Theres some real advantages to hardware at the moment. Two HUGE advantages are stability and ease of use. I dont think most folks are aware of the advantages of computers tho. Most hardware users wouldnt even comprehend things like: Unlimited non-linear undo's, 192khz/32bit floating point resolution, Instant total-recall on all song perameters, 9.1 surround sound, Unlimited audio/midi tracks, etc. I mean my samples time limit is 8 days. Not 8 minutes, 8 days, 192 hours.

I think it all comes down to what you rather work with. I have a friend who bought a G4 with Logic Platinum 5 and still hasnt got his set up working right. That was 6 months ago. All I gotta say is that its all about music!!! Not about equipment. Just get whatever you're comfortable working with.

PS. Intel is gonna hit 10ghz before 2005. I dont think we'll be having many discussions like this by then.