I gotta give it to NI!

[dacalion]

Native Instruments is dope! Even if I think Maschine is mostly hype (because of that "I got one" syndrome), I gotta give NI their props. I'm so impressed with their determination and efforts towards DJ and production gear.

Since I started doing my little "homemade" dj'ing video's, NI or Youtube sent me a promotion video of Traktor and Maschine which blew me away. Check this out if you haven't already seen it.

 

[Fade]

Most definitely! Saw this video a few weeks ago. Look at this video too, helped me decide on Traktor:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTj-L7EKCL8"]YouTube - TRAKTOR VS SERATO Comparison By DJ Qbert !!![/ame]

 

[dacalion]

Traktor is sick! =)

 

[thedreampolice]

I love how you say a product is mostly hype, yet you haven't used it at all

 

[dacalion]

You may not remember this but when everyone found out that Pete Rock used a MPC, it became the sampler to own - "the industry standard". Same thing! I'm just not initially impressed when something new comes out, somebody buys it and they tell everybody it's the best thing in the world.

The flip side to your comment is...how can you say it's the greatest thing in the world after having it 2 weeks =)

 

[thedreampolice]

I got Maschine two months after launch and that was may 2009 when I got mine. So yea I have been rocking Maschine TWO YEARS!


@Dac YOU GOT NOTHIN!

 

[dacalion]

I can't believe you fell for that, you bit hook, line and sinker...lol. That just proves my point, everybody knows Maschine wasn't what it is today. It's had numerous updates to improve it...hahaha YOU GOT NOTHING!

 

[thedreampolice]

umm, I got it for free you know.

So now who's the sucker!

But honestly even if I still was only rockin the version 1 software I would love it.

 

[Sucio]

I can't believe you fell for that, you bit hook, line and sinker...lol. That just proves my point, everybody knows Maschine wasn't what it is today. It's had numerous updates to improve it...hahaha YOU GOT NOTHING!

That's the best thing about having software...You can't improve your MV you use FL studio and it's at version 10....SO they've had AT LEAST 9 times to make improvements.

FL wasn't what it was @ version 1.. It didn't even have VST support then.

It's not falling for it at all...it's looking at a product and recognizing that it is what you're looking for.... It's everything I wanted....an MPC with software.....that's extremely easy to use.

I bought a pad controller for FL....big mistake....Not the same......I didn't have money for an MPC 2000....And then I realized that I'd be confined to using the MPC.....and incorporating it with Reason....Which isn't something that I wanted to do...

Maschine was just the right choice for me.....and it's because of the hype that I looked into it.. After doing my research and playing around with Maschine, I realized that's exactly what I wanted....


You have something against getting the "latest craze" I'm sure no one would know about the MV if Rza didn't say it was his weapon of choice....the MV will always be that and nothing more...there's no updates for it to make it that much more effective.....

Sounds like you're too much of a purist in that aspect....The dude that would rather carry 10 crates of records and tables with mixer than get Serato/Traktor. (just an example, I know you have cd turns)

It's not like the people who own Maschine in this forum made acouple beats and put it on the shelf....Iknow for a fact we are using it to make every beat.....and anyone here can attest to the power of Maschine.

You could do a ton more with Maschine than you can with your MV...and faster I'm sure....Plus I could take it anywhere and put it in my laptop bag.....

And you could pretty much use FL to do the same things as Maschine........but try running some VST in both and see which one can hold more resources...... I couldn't run more than a few instruments of Nexus without having to adjust the buffer...I've YET to do that with Maschine and I run all kinds of Kontakt instruments that require many resources........

Oh and try rewiring FL with PT.... what a joke.

NI makes an update and it's free...then they give you free instruments which actually cost money, for free......and are useful...FL stock VST is horrible.....NI has their own instruments at their disposal which FL does not.

 

[dacalion]

First, it's not about the gear... it's about being comfortable with what you work with. The MV didn't need updates because it was state of art when it came out. The MV can do 3X what Maschine can do now with NO updates! Maschines appeal is that it does what it does on the fly.

You speak of having to take a ton of gear around, the MV is made for production not DJ'ing, but even still, the MV IS a computer! no laptop needed.

As for me not "jumping on the bandwagon just because everybody else does", well thats just a personal choice. That doesn't just pertain solely to Maschine, that's a choice that I've made after learning the hard way through trial and error. We could just as easy be talking about a refrigerator. You'll understand that principle alot better after buying Kontrol =).

Once again, I'm not knocking Maschine....I have one! BUT, I bought it because of it's ease of use, NI's commitment to it, and my desire to try new production techniques...not because "it's the craze".

btw, look at my first post, I'm giving NI praise...you guys are so stuck on my reasoning that you're missing the bigger picture.

 

[thedreampolice]

Maschine can now do more than the mv!

 

[dacalion]

not even close!

 

[thedreampolice]

Name one

 

[Formant024]

^^^ load samples into memory (stand-alone)

 

[2GooD Productions]

But what has traktor got to do with maschine?
Apart from being NI.

I first thought I was gonna see traktor blow serato out the water and I was gonna be like damn. But its good to see that they are still pretty damn close.
I have to agree with Dac about the hype surrounding maschine, it seems to be the only thing anyone talks about.
How did this turn into a MV vs Maschine thread?
Fuck maschine, I cant afford it. Besides any piece of equipment is only as good as the person using it anyway. Every time a new piece of equipment comes out we have these arguments, its like the old hardware vs software debates.

 

[Formant024]

The argument is good, valid to understand ones workflow. The argument is off point if one fails to bring specs, then goes back to "whatever, lets just make music".

Imo, traktor is a creative setup with the controller and maschine, goes very well but that setup is a bit to much for making a bit of hiphop . Qbert's vid is awesome but eh..how many turntablist are here ? or how many maschine users are turntablists ? Or even Craze, i think aside from the real scratch work that those cue points well, whatever...it was the least impressive of all the promo vids. The Japs are even more impressive without traktor/NI at all (search hifana).

Right, its just maschine, another re-invention of the mpc with pro's and cons and any one can buy it and make hiphop on the fly. The best use ive seen are all techno related dj/livesets, they get the most out of traktor/maschine, hiphop wise, if it just for the ease of chopping...so many roads to Rome and everyones an advocate of their workflow... you buy, you defend (no specs relevant lol).

The hype is like the mpc, no matter how you look at it, the general concensus was you need one to make beats and maschine emphasizes just that. If you have nothing to begin with, then its a very good start but if you own a mpc, mv etc then you're not tempted as much. If you're on a budget then understand that you dont need it to make beats, like the mpc its mainly a luxury piece of gear and not a neccesity.

 

[mono]

oh, now he's playing the solomonic card. good market, i like that guy
but there's so many angles and possible starting points to that discussion, it's practically pointless. i just thought, maybe in some years when notebooks become more powerful and plugins better in emulating a hardware sound, the debate could make more sense. but then, the limitations of the classic samplers is what shaped the sound of hiphop.
i think, as production gear, maschine might not be revolutionary, but the concept is certainly a milestone. does anyone of us, or hiphop itself need it? stupid question. yes and no, maybe...

anyway, props are appreciated. both the guys in the traktor and in the maschine team are working their asses of.

 

[dacalion]

And that alone has made me change my view of Maschine and NI. I've told dp several times that I really do like their commitment (but for those that haven't figured it out by now, he likes to debate). On top of that, Roland has turned away from samplers by not replacing the MV with newer technology. It appears that they are more focused on instruments and recording gear now.

In any case, this is not a debate on my end. The MV and Maschine are two different entities all together.

 

[Sucio]

I'm beginning to enjoy bacon as much as Chris.....

BTW Traktor is pretty awesome. Serato is awesome too....

The clubs out here won't even let you DJ unless you're using Serato. Even if you had traktor, you'd be denied....Now that's ridiculous.

NI is trying to be the premier live show company.... which is actually a good move because a lot of stuff is becoming more live. I don't think these programs were geared mainly towards hip-hop (see image line/FL)...but their ease of use is making them staples in hip-hop music production...

and all this is mainly for what mono said....hip-hop music was made on machines with many limitations. This new stuff eliminates those limitations...thus increasing the possibilities for hip-hop productions.

 

[thedreampolice]

^^^ load samples into memory (stand-alone)

Why would you even need that?

#2 Most of these things are said just to bust Dac's balls.

#3 Maschine dominates your mom!