Houston, We have a problem...IMO

[mercurywaters]

Obviously I think my point was missed here, Merc there was no argument at all for you to contrast I don't understand what you're trying to say, Timbaland is pretty much an example of what I would use as a good example of sample use for the most part, I love to sample I am saying don't come with that weak shit, sampled a whole loop and brought no CREATIVITY we not really talking about sample turned into a one shot (chromatically keymapped to sum up iceman's post) or tone or even disguising the sample or changing pitch, that's not the problem, we creative producers do that type of thing all of the time I do it all the time that should be a given for any heads thats been doing this for any length of time.

i meant argument as in a debate. nothing heated by any means. lol. my point is basically, there is so much source material to use, we could never run out.

 

[bigdmakintrax]

Word em up!

 

[dacalion]

Its pretty much a given that there are plenty of songs out there to flip, twist and remix any way you want coming from a producers point of view. Even those songs that have already been manipulated to death have potentially unused sections awaiting for somebody to chop up. The problem I see is that there are no more real r&b bands coming out with new material. Just like pollution, global warming, and everything else, it will eventually catch up and hurt us. To some degree, I feel like its happening now. The public dictates what is popular but the public is also guided and influenced by the media and the hot artists that make new songs. Its like a lose-lose situation in my opinion. I see alot of talent here at ill and I know that theres more in other places but I hope we come up with something new. In the future what will we be sampling? Kanye? 50? Jay-Z? Everything evolves and revolves, why hasn't Hip Hop Music Production in general kept up? Yes we've done alot of new things but the supply is running out. What are your thoughts?

MAN ON FIRE

It appears that this has gone in a direction that it wasn't meant, (check the first 2 sentences). Im not saying that one day we won't have anything to sample. I'm actually saying the opposite. What I'm saying is that there aren't any more real r&b bands coming out with new material and its getting harder and harder to find new ish to sample. Yes you can just about make anything new by chopping, cutting, flipping, reversing, transposing or whatever. Also, I wasn't really refering to other genres, eventhough I didn't specify a particular one, I was refering to what hiphop producers "traditionally" use...r&b. Thats it, it's no hidden topics here, it is what it is. Just clarifying that. Another point...very few of us (not all) go back in the earliest forms of r&b on a regular basis because that ish didnt really have any soul to it, it was more like black pop music or something. Anyway, generally speaking, we dig in a certain era to find those funky basslines, those vintage drums, or those nice melodies to make our modern day flip. The way things are going right now, future producers will have the same or even less options for fresh r&b samples as we have right now because we're not making any. Thats all I'm saying. Very good points brought up though.

keep banging,
MAN ON FIRE