Have any of you checked out theindustryexposed.com?

[thedreampolice]

ok 2good so my question to you is, have you ever dealt with a real record label of any size? They are the most disorganized companies ever. Most of them can't even keep there accounts payable straight, there is no way they are organized enough to pull off a conspiracy of this complexity for years. I mean come on.

You remind me of Dale Gribble

but its all love!

 

[2GooD Productions]

ok 2good so my question to you is, have you ever dealt with a real record label of any size? They are the most disorganized companies ever. Most of them can't even keep there accounts payable straight, there is no way they are organized enough to pull off a conspiracy of this complexity for years. I mean come on.

You remind me of Dale Gribble

but its all love!

lol, its not the labels, its the parent companies and their parent conglomerates.
Its the Time Warners and the Sony's and the Viacoms, that have fingers in many pies.
Songs are written by song writing pools, as God said before, you need only control the writing pool to get the desired message out. Imagery is done by Public Relations companies, Edward Bernays is the father of Public Relations, nephew of Freud. In essence public relations is mind control through representation. Advertising is a descendant of public relations, spin, making shit look like gold by wrapping a pretty bow on it in the form of a half naked woman.
Much of the creative input in the making of a track at the high levels is all outsourced to the creative "Experts" some of the subliminality is far too complex for the performing artist to come up with, thats why you have image experts that define your image for you, to be most profitable and reap greatest ROI. The whole image concept and artwork is done by the image consultants.

 

[LouBez]

yo 2good these videos are all stuff about the VMAs being freemasonic rituals and the music industry being culture creation and what not? I don't wanna get into em if its stuff I already know about.

Have you ever read the book "The Secret History Of the World"? Its a banger man...Alot of this shit deals with freemasons, and the mystery religion, but they never can explain what exactly the mystery religion is all about. This book does. You should check it out cause I think you are looking at the whole lucifer thing through traditional religion....When you look at it through the perspective of an initiate of the mystery religion it helps understanding all the symbolism and what not.

You might wanna look at some of this Steven Cokely stuff about the Boule also...It goes into the black elite in america....which of course includes rappers now.

 

[dacalion]

So I got a 2 part question for you Chris...1st how do you explain ALL of the things that are being brought to the light? coincidence? paranoia? 2nd At what point do you accept that somethings not right?

 

[thedreampolice]

"At what point do you accept that somethings not right?"

I want to make sure I understand the question so can you rephrase?

"ALL of the things that are being brought to the light? "

If you are talking about the videos on the web site, I don't know if that is bringing much to light. It all seemed like really far fetched conclusions. I will say this, after working in the music business is that it can be strange. But not some secret order strange. As I said in an earlier post for most people it is actually easier to think there is a big conspiracy and to think we are all victims then to take control of our own lives and do something.

Now for the broader answer I think that there are enough shady things in the world that we sure don't need to invent them like this.

I am not sure I fully answered your question, so if I did not I am happy to but can you clarify exactly what you mean?

to 2good ha ha, you totally ducked one of my questions. So I will try again..

" I think you can have overwhelming success without being unethical or "selling your soul" but you do not think so. Am I understanding the discussion correctly?"

In other words, in your mind is the only way to major success through unethical means?

 

[Relic]

** Has been eating popcorn trying to catch up**

Very interesting convo this ...

Chris your last question to 2Good, dont know how HE would answer but hat I am getting from him is that :



"In other words, in your mind is the only way to major success through unethical means? "

No , but once you reach a certain level of success, you will be approached and then if you dont fall in then you may get eradicated one means or another.

This would mean that U2 would have to be in on this. 2 Good , is U2 in on this?

 

[thedreampolice]

"** Has been eating popcorn trying to catch up**"

ha ha, you have to admit for a hip-hop forum there sure is some intellectual long winded discussion here

 

[Relic]

Oh word..

Im smack dab central on what you guys are talking about..

I see what each is saying lol... 2Good has some excellent , either paranioa's, or absolute great points... Im saying these are all great questions and answers though

 

[UNORTHODOX]

Im smack dab central on what you guys are talking about..

I see what each is saying lol... 2Good has some excellent , either paranioa's, or absolute great points... Im saying these are all great questions and answers though

This ^^

 

[dacalion]

Lets take the video about the subliminal messages for instance...

1st - Do you just disregard all the things that they show you that you didn't realize was there? Do you see those images within images and tell yourself its just by chance or maybe an illusion?

2nd - How much info does it take to convince you that only so many hidden images in pictures can be by chance and not intentionally put there?

Yeah SOME of this stuff is a bit far fetched to me also BUT after seeing how some people think really has me wondering...

Let me throw this at you... Overall the most common goal for a human being is to be financially secure, nobody WANTS to be in debt, yet the Casino business is a multi-billion dollar a year industry that tells people that they basically can't win yet those people are willing to put everything that they own on the line to be that one in kazillion that hits the jackpot! Don't you see something wrong with that picture?

What about this...I read somewhere that people who lived 5 or so miles from the nearest lotto ticket sales outlet had twice the chance of getting killed in a car accident going to get the tickets as they did buying a winning lotto ticket.

There has got to be something driving people to want it that bad, it can't be natural, it can't be just by chance. Look at our government, don't they act just like a Casino when it comes to money?

 

[thedreampolice]

ok well we are talking about two different things here. Most of that is product placement and not subliminal advertising. And honestly I would bet that half macs you see in movies and TV apple doesn't pay for, macs are just by far the most used computer in that industry so naturally that is what will be on set. As far as those videos goes I can edit together and tell a convincing story about a government conspiracy to make us all love bacon and make it very convincing so it will take more than just the video on that site.

Now as far as gambling goes I think it is stupid, and I personally have never purchased a lottery ticket. As an almost libertarian I kind of took the stand that if the people want a casino in there town that is there right, but if you look at the actual economics (as I love to do) of it they financially destroy towns just in the need for more police and family services alone. And no that 1 or two million a casino "donates" back to the city does not even come close to helping offset that. So now I am kind of against it. Most people that buy lotto tickets spend an average of $20 per week on them, if they saved that money from 20 until retirement at 65 and invested it with the stock market average of 11% return they would be VERY well off and thats a sure thing, unlike the lotto.

But is it a big conspiracy? I don't think so, it just taps in to peoples want for a quick fix and easy money. You know getting something for nothing. Shame on them for playing/buying.

Does that answer your question?

 

[LouBez]

Charles Galton Darwin wrote in "The Next Million Years" (I think its from around 1850) that the elite would construct arenas all around the globe to give males a conduit to express their warlike and tribal tendencies in order to keep their mind off what those tendencies would normally be focused on...

I think we have that today.

 

[dacalion]

Does that answer your question?

Yes Sir it sure does!

 

[2GooD Productions]

** Has been eating popcorn trying to catch up**

Very interesting convo this ...

Chris your last question to 2Good, dont know how HE would answer but hat I am getting from him is that :



"In other words, in your mind is the only way to major success through unethical means? "

No , but once you reach a certain level of success, you will be approached and then if you dont fall in then you may get eradicated one means or another.

This would mean that U2 would have to be in on this. 2 Good , is U2 in on this?

Haha, you are getting what Im trying to say. I know what Chris is trying to say, the whole industry isnt corrupt., Just the highest echelons and most important aspects of the industry, many artists are manipulated and dont even realise they are being used, but some do and when they talk out about it, all of a sudden their careers are ended by them either going "crazy" becoming drug abusers or dying either as a result of an accident or a drug overdose.
You have to reach a certain level of mass appeal/popularity before you are any use to those that seek to manipulate society through popular culture.
Im not saying all these artists know what they are doing, many are oblivious to the darkside like many of us are oblivious to the darkside of government and control methods. As for Lady Gaga, she knows exactly what she is doing, same for Madonna and Beyonce. As did David Bowie and the Beatles, yes the Beatles. Sgt Pepper is Aleister Crowley. They even say so on the album. Aleister Crowley has had a huge influence on the music world. Lady Gagas biggest influence is David Bowie, coincidence?
Yes Relic U2 is very much in on this. IMO. I dont have any hard facts but by their continued success in this dark industry I would take a punt on a yes. And they are listed as using the Golden Chord Progression. We have spoken about it here on this forum before. EP 64 covers this, its pretty good too.

This should also answer...

"** Has been eating popcorn trying to catch up**"

ha ha, you have to admit for a hip-hop forum there sure is some intellectual long winded discussion here

Haha, thats what forums are all about, lol.
Its good to have an argument with someone with an opposite point of view and no one gets butthurt over it. Props to DP.

This episode deserves a thread of its own....

 

[thedreampolice]

"Its good to have an argument with someone with an opposite point of view and no one gets butthurt over it."

I love discussions with people of opposite views, it forces you to really think out your position and come correct. So yup all good,

 

[2GooD Productions]

But is it a big conspiracy? I don't think so, it just taps in to peoples want for a quick fix and easy money. You know getting something for nothing. Shame on them for playing/buying.

Those are the very aspects of the human psyche(greed and want for convenience, wanting the easy route) that are being manipulated for monetary gain, we are being used. The thing is if most people realised we were being used and guided to think and act a certain way, they would stop buying into it.
There is no shortcuts, everything has a price. Many people dont realise the price.
Take Nike for instance, the price for your hundred dollar sneakers is child/slave labour in asia. GAP also caught using child and slave labour. These are just two of the big boys, need I carry on?
If people knew the true price would they pay it?
The thing is, everyone is oblivious, how can you know your enemy if you dont even know it exists?
How do you stop playing the game, if you dont even realise you were playing it?

 

[dacalion]

Something you said earlier explains why I'm starting to have a change of heart...I stopped watching TV for a while, mainly because I was so busy, I got behind on everything and I didn't feel like trying to play catch up. Now, it's like a sense of relief and I feel better about NOT watching TV. I mean I literally feel better! I even feel a sense of accomplishment when someone ask me if I watched a certain program and I tell them NO...it just feels good.

 

[thedreampolice]

"Now, it's like a sense of relief and I feel better about NOT watching TV. I mean I literally feel better! I even feel a sense of accomplishment when someone ask me if I watched a certain program and I tell them NO...it just feels good"

I feel that, TV is mind rot, look how much music you have been making lately? TV was slowing that down. I haven't watch real TV in years, maybe a film or a show on netflix once in a while but nothing that gets me constant ads or news blah.

 

[2GooD Productions]

Prodigy (Mobb Deep) Exposes JayZ,NAS,KANYE "With Evil Illuminati"
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=72816.0

 

[dahkter]

Good discussion,
Thanks to Chris and 2Good.
I appreciate both of your views:
2Good - IMO there is dirty shit going on at the top so the money makers and landowners can keep their monopoly going. To what extent, I am not sure, however you can be certain of collusion, we are talking about the wealth of the entire planet.
Chris - agree with you that many people waste their time complaining and blaming instead of applying themselves and making things happen. Networking, marketing, promotions + becoming a master of your craft is key. Without these things, you will have limited success.
I appreciate everyone speaking their minds even if those opinions are not accepted by the mainstream. A lot of times people are too pussy to speak their minds if their veiws are off center, I think it's a shame that we live in such a brainwashed society with so few free thinkers. Artists from the 60's through the 90's had the courage to speak their mind - - it seems that the majority of art of this millenium has been watered down status quo bullshit.
Here's to illfam, let's be agents for change.