Fed up of sampling

[Cold Truth]

well, i have to say that if you are not a "real hip hop head" unless you sample, well, hip hop could throw itself off a cliff and i wouldnt give a rats..... matter of fact, i dont care NOW. i'm fed up with all the b.s. involved, it's like hip hop is really, truly, fundamentally all about each man holdin' his nutts and talkin about how much bigger his is then the next man.... it's just the stupidest thing, we make oursleves look rediculous when we go back and forth about whats "real" hip hop and whats not, its just PLAIN STUPID, and when no one can ever get along, and when everyone is busy talking down to the next guy trying to make it because he doesnt feel him because "he aint real enough" or WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, these other cats doing punk and alternative and country and WHATEVER they make, hell even the techno guys dont sweat each other like we do, but the rest of the music making world just focuses on the music..... is hip hop dying? no, not at all.. but it sure is damn ugly these days. who cares what you use? why the hell is that even an issue?

 

[Guevara]

how many people have spelled "PATIENCE" wrong in this forum alone....this is not a hospital people....lol there are no patients

 

[Knock Out]

Originally posted by Truth Told
i'm fed up with all the b.s. involved, it's like hip hop is really, truly, fundamentally all about each man holdin' his nutts and talkin about how much bigger his is then the next man.... it's just the stupidest thing

I have to agree with this part of his response. All hip-hop seems to be about now is who has the most money, or the most girls. To me, it's honestly all about making good music. I love hearing a nice artist rap to my beats, and that's why I do it. LoL, of coarse I love the money too, but to me it's not more important than just having fun freestyling with my friends.

 

[Beatz 101]

How u gonna be fed up of sampling. If u fed up of sampling, you probably fed up with hiphop. Your just hearing alotta crap. Your solution: dont listen to the crap. Dont watch MTV, BET, or the radio.

Me personally, i really stopped listening to the radio. Its so fuckin political n' commercial its rediculous. they got a list of 20 songs they play over and over all day, everyday.

Still watch BET tho. Chingy is wack, but dat uncut video is ON POINT! i cant front

 

[Cold Truth]

ahhhhhhhh................ why does being fed up with sampling make him fed up with hip hop? he is just fed up with the aspect as it relates to his own work, as far as his initial statement goes... maybe he said something afterwards that i didnt get... anyhow, go ahead and get yourself that synth, and dont allow yourself to be limited by the box that people think we should stay in.... use whatever you can get your hands on, and whatever inspires you at the moment.... we really need to get off this whole sampling vs synth thing... it gets old. seriously, it has been beat to death already, and everytime someone mentions wanting begin doing everything themselves (i did this myself, and everyone started the debate again, even though my initial post specifically asked people not to post if that was what they were going to do, and they did...) everyone jumps on the defense of sampling and starts to blow the initial post way out of context..

 

[BeatOff]

Whats Equally As annoying as wack shit on the radio, is people who defend old shit just because pioneers used it. The whole MPC and sampling thing. Its not 1990 anymore. Get over it. I'm sick of all these Fake hiphop heads who want to keep shit stuck in the boom bap 1991 era and keep it from progressing. If shit stayed the same hiphop would have died 15 years ago. The MPC IS OVERATTED. Period. Its old, its nothing special its overrated. Yes its a good peice of equptment for what it was when it first came out but get real, Its not god and it wont make your beats any better than any other beat making tool will. If your beats suck on fruity loops they will suck on a MPC if you cant sample on acid you cant sample on a mpc because you just dont have what it takes. There is no grimeyness to the MPC there is nothing its all a mental block people have with the whole advancing process.

As far as sampling who cares if its hot its hot, but if you are going to just find a sample and loop it over and over along with the drums then i'm going to call it wack, i hate when people take the same drum breaks and slap a sample over it. I HATE it. I'd rather program my own drums every time.

 

[Ominous]

If you wanna save on cost...look in the paper to see if anyone really old passed away. Call their family and see if the had vinyl. They usually have tons of it and are willing to let you take what you want for free. You offer like 10 bucks out of respect so you don't look like a total Vulure and they usually pass on it.

I don't dig. I grab anything and play it. The take note of anything you like. That way later you can just go get it. I do that with vocal samples. Whenever I get a new CD I listen to th whole thing and write down anything in it I like. Helps me find it quicker later.

Diggin for samples to me helps the process of playing your own music. How many times have you heard something on the radio or even in the beat thread and said to yourself "I would have played this part like this instead." You can do the same thing with samples you get from vinyl. It can lead to other ideas. Or maybe it would have sounded better as a trumpet instead of a flute. With todays equipment, you can transform whole melodies like that.

And with quantize, I've seen cats play two bars worth of synth, copy the groove from another track, quantize what they just played to match the the other track, and then claim all credit for what you hear. I don't see that being any better than sampling.

And as far as the dress metaphor. The old lady wouldn't get props for finding the dress...she would have got props for chopping that sh*t up and making some daisy dukes out of them and sport them like those girls in the Chingy video. I think that's what samplings is all about. Taking something that was something other than hip hop and changing it into some ill hip hop. Sort of like when Nas samples Human Nature and dropped It Ain't Hard To Tell. That was one of the fattest sample flips I've ever heard.

I think that's why I like Primo so much. Yeah, he samples a grip of sh*t. But it ain't like he's taking 80s pop songs and just adding bass to them. He samples some crazy stuff and tears them down into some street sh*t.

 

[Guevara]

Originally posted by Ominous


...I think that's why I like Primo so much. Yeah, he samples a grip of sh*t. But it ain't like he's taking 80s pop songs and just adding bass to them. He samples some crazy stuff and tears them down into some street sh*t.

BOOM!!!

 

[Copenhagen]

Sure, sometimes Primo cuts, chops a song entirely different...and sometimes, like with 'skillz'...he just take's Edwin Birdsong's 'Rapper Dapper Snapper'...loops it...adds another loop from Lonnie Liston Smith...and there you go. Sometimes he plays stuff from scratch too...

 

[Billy Bathgate]

I agree..........primo is hot! he is one of my favorites. people have their own way of doing things. I sample. I want to buy a synth so I can encorporate a balance of both. If you look at anything in this world.....people take from something then add to it and come up with new shit. That is how it is. people enspire others to do and create.....

 

[Shonsteez]

I usually do both every time - i dont think i ever just strictly sample...i always intigrate both so that i can make everything tha way i like it....Lately i have been strictly writting my music with no samples at all, but eventually i always get tha itch to sample something especially when i get a dope promo of something wierd and abstract that i know will be off tha wall and usefull...........In closing sampling hands down iz tha nature of hiphop and thats why i like it so much, but i also really enjoy learning new instruments and rockin tha shit out of those too.....they both can bring satisfaction - - - - and like Truth Told said, one of tha dopest things about fully writtens - that just cant match a sample beat - is tha satisfaction of when someone thinks you sampled, and they even think they know who it was from, but it was really you on tha keys freakin tha shit!....Thats when your stoked and feel like you made somethin.

 

[Equality 7-2521]

I agree with deuce too....wether it be sampling or making your own sounds, i think you should do whatever it takes to make your beat as dope as you want it to be in the end. To me its all about the finished product........but I personally love diggin in the crates and beating old shit up into a fresh hiphop form.

 

[Cold Truth]

dag this thread aint ever gonna die! haha... thats funny.

i dont want to beat a dead horse here, all i want to say is that i love making beats wether its sampling or keys or hooking up with a friend who plays guitar or whatever. . . . . . skills are skills and we have all been blessed with a different focus in this whole thing..... so however you do whatever it is you do, KEEP doin it and pay no mind to anyone who tells you that you cant/shouldnt do it the way you do it.

 

[berserk]

i never sample drum loops... i always program drums... if there is a drum loop i like i ten to cut the seperate sounds then program them... but otherwise i love sampling and thats one of the best things... but i have my fair share of songs without samples... either way you just gotta stay original!

 

[LarryBones]

I know I have more fun coming up with my own riffs.. getting it to sound natrual and not simply a synth is part of the fun and challenge for me. Besides, I come up with tracks by having chord progressions or melodies in my head. I would go insane trying to find a sample to fit what I was thinking. When you sample, you are forced to work within the confines of what someone else already did, rather than being totally open to whatever ideas pop into your head.

If I stumble across a nice sample though, it's also fun to mess with that... but for the majority of my stuff I don't sample.

 

[inrctyhoodmusic]

Originally posted by LarryBones
I know I have more fun coming up with my own riffs.. getting it to sound natrual and not simply a synth is part of the fun and challenge for me. Besides, I come up with tracks by having chord progressions or melodies in my head. I would go insane trying to find a sample to fit what I was thinking. When you sample, you are forced to work within the confines of what someone else already did, rather than being totally open to whatever ideas pop into your head.

If I stumble across a nice sample though, it's also fun to mess with that... but for the majority of my stuff I don't sample.

Somebody buy this man a drink

 

[joeburnem]

Originally posted by light
Sounds like you dont like diggin in the crates. Me i love it. i dont listen to my records with finding samples in mind. i listen to the records for the songs that are on it. any kind of music. and usually if i sit back, smoke a large one, and kick it for a few hours just listening to music, ill come out with a few ideas for some samples, and from those ideas maybe only one or two will actually work once i start choppin. ok now im rambling, but to answer your question, hell yah i spend more time digging then actually choppin the samples up. that just the nature of the task at hand.
This is the reason why i make a hell of alot of beats from synths and instruments. If im in a creative mood and i dont have a sample in mind i hit them keys.

I with you, man! I love hittin' oldie record stores on saturday mornings with my surgical gloves and dust mask (my allergies, whoa!) finding str8 gems. Sampling is the way for me. But I am now blending keyboard sounds to make my work more lush.

 

[TITO]

i love sampling and diging in the crates. hip hop feeds off all music and i love some soul beats, it also lets you know what artists were doing back in the day so it helps me get a foundation.

 

[monumental]

i also think sampling is without a doubt part of hip hop. But really compared to the new beats some people are doing with live instruments and sythns ect, i think it really can't compete, i sample a little bit myself and some of my sample beats are hot. but at the end if it goes big you gotta pay clearence and it's not really yours. On a side note, i was the biggest primo fan ever up untill about a year, ago a soon as i started making beats and listening to others. I realized that a lot of his beats a simple two bar samples. Two bars, maybe a little horn in the hook, shits dope don't get me wrong. the bar is being raised, anybody esle feeling the blueprint 1 and 2 production, kanye and just or two of the most advanced producers in the game right now.

 

[Cold Truth]

hmmmm... kanye and just being the two most advanced? they are nice, yes, and they sell well...... but they basically just speed up and/or loop the sample, no chops or nothin..... i wouldnt say advanced by any stretch of the imagination. while i respect the degree of dificulty it sometimes takes to get a long sample to loop (especially vocals), when thats almost all you have heard from someone, it looks like thats all they can do..... kanye and just arent to far from primo, and primo does way more chopping than they do (although, come to find out he doesnt chop as much as i thought he did) and alchemist has a greater range of samples than them while employing a similar style..... just and kanye are nice tho. i just think that they did not raise the bar so much as they gave it a little lift......