Don't fuck over your life... my PSA.

God

Creator of the Universe
ill o.g.
S'up fam. I noticed cats posting shit on the forums or getting the occasional PM like "I wanna be in the industry."

Let me tell you two stories.

I. STORY ONE

There was a cat who was a lawyer. I knew the dude - in fact I knew him since we were in high school.

Dude had EVERYTHING going for him. Hot girlfriend, good job with movement upwards - he was promoted within the law firm.

Thing is - I knew the cat was a musician since HS. He was one of the most creative motherfuckers I knew. In fact, I would pick his brain for advice on shit. The cat knew music - he used to be in an R&B group that "almost made it." He wrote songs. He wrote poetry. He painted.

So we're not talking about a chump. I remember him calling me a couple years ago and he told me he couldn't deal with the bullshit of "faking" his life (I thought he was going to tell me he was gay or something).

He wanted to do music.

That's what he's been doing since he was six (according to him) and he wanted to know my opinion. Dude had a lot of talent.

Now, I knew him - he was right - dude was talented. I knew he was an artist not a lawyer but STFU - his life, his decisions. He was lying to himself. I told him to write a couple songs and make a PK and we would see what happened.

I told him he had one life. He should give it a shot, but not fuck himself over.

It took him a year to make himself the demo and PK - but he did it. He put himself on the line. He promoted himself. I helped him along the way...

Fast-forward a couple years: He is now a professional songwriter and makes shitload of bread that way. Makes a lot of money off royalties.

He's happy. He doesn't hate going to work everyday.


II. STORY TWO

A friend's son "makes beats." He was in his early twenties. He can't compose shit and has the same repetitive loop over and over. If it were a good loop, like "In Da Club" that would be hot. It's not.

I asked him to write a hook. He tries and is "still getting it." My friend is influential so I have to pretend like I give a shit about the son.

The son wants to "study engineering." I tell him to focus on getting back in college.

He went to study "engineering".

Fast forward a couple years later: he's an intern at a friend's studio. He's wasting his life. He's not talented. He should have went back to college. He still thinks he's "going to make it." He's not - he has no redeeming songwriting skills or marketable talent. He is grouped with every other beatmaker out there.

The guy was a good talker though. He could have used that talent to work in marketing or promotions. He thought he was a "producer" though. He would have made more money in marketing than in "production" or engineering.

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What's the difference. One had inherent talent. He felt dischord and unhappiness in his life by not singing. By NOT writing songs. He felt like he was WASTING AWAY. He knew he could do it if he tried, and he did. His girlfriend left him - called him crazy, but now he's got a way hotter one. He paid off his loans, etc.

The other doesn't have talent. He tries to figure out "mathematical ways" to make songs "work." He is not innovative. He looks to see how "Dre makes a beat" and clones it. He lulls about and goes his merry way. He's a nobody.

I see the second example quite a lot. Be realistic in your expectations.

If it seems like you're struggling to write songs all the time - or don't get that muse with the hook in it. Maybe there IS something telling you to just keep it a hobby.

Felt like sharing this. Just something to think about... life talk.
 

afriquedeluxe

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 221
THANK YOU MAN jeeze you just summed up in one post what ive been trying to tell cats for 3 years....

lol. aint that the truth man.

I think we need to hear more story 1's. Just to show that there really is an alternative and viable path. As opposed to the "rags-riches-i-gave-up-everything-including school-before-i-made-it" story.
 

Chrono

polyphonically beyond me
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 5
illmuzik: if your serious, your smart. knowledge born kids.. make moves! don't put all your nugs in one spot. Pick an interest and get in school and bust yo ass like a muthafucka, point blank.

Study of school and subjects gets your brain sparkin.. and run.. do cardiovascular workouts and pushups an shit.. pump those health-life drugs into your brain.

don't be unilateral or you will be depressed an live hell.

do your things and do them with a better work-ethic than mine.. if you want mine


an maybe i'm no-one now. but one day you will know me by my breath, movements And decision...

i am god.. and so are you



recognize
 

BobCarter

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
Why GoD's post put me in my place:

1) I'm in my early twenties
2) I'm currently a Marketing major
3) I'm not totally sure but it seems subtly directed towards me

I say the following assuming my word matters:

From a realist's standpoint, I completely agree with what you're saying. The music industry is a winner-take-all business and the losers lose hard. I also agree that you should start a blog; I'm sure you get this all the time, but just by being a part of this forum for two weeks, I have seen how knowledgeable you are about the music industry/business and it has helped me learn exactly what the hell I am doing and should do in the future. But the one thing I disagree with is when you say, "He's wasting his life. He's not talented."

From a dreamer/optimist's standpoint:
I always have been and will be a firm believer that if you are doing what you love, even with all the financial struggling an artist/musician goes through, that it is anything but a waste of life. Sure there are few that make it to stardom and even fewer who make a significant impact on music as we know it but just because the odds aren't in a musician's favor, it never hurts to try. From the time people are born, their parent's tell them to reach for the stars and go for their dreams, yet society makes them believe that it is impossible, so they settle for a compromise. I understand that having a back-up plan is always good but when you want something to the point where there could be no other substitutes, sometimes a backup plan can be the one thing holding you back from giving your all to your art. People take risks in life, and many of them fail. But it is far better to fail by trying than to have never fully tried at all.
 
Why GoD's post put me in my place:

1) I'm in my early twenties
2) I'm currently a Marketing major
3) I'm not totally sure but it seems subtly directed towards me

I say the following assuming my word matters:

From a realist's standpoint, I completely agree with what you're saying. The music industry is a winner-take-all business and the losers lose hard. I also agree that you should start a blog; I'm sure you get this all the time, but just by being a part of this forum for two weeks, I have seen how knowledgeable you are about the music industry/business and it has helped me learn exactly what the hell I am doing and should do in the future. But the one thing I disagree with is when you say, "He's wasting his life. He's not talented."

From a dreamer/optimist's standpoint:
I always have been and will be a firm believer that if you are doing what you love, even with all the financial struggling an artist/musician goes through, that it is anything but a waste of life. Sure there are few that make it to stardom and even fewer who make a significant impact on music as we know it but just because the odds aren't in a musician's favor, it never hurts to try. From the time people are born, their parent's tell them to reach for the stars and go for their dreams, yet society makes them believe that it is impossible, so they settle for a compromise. I understand that having a back-up plan is always good but when you want something to the point where there could be no other substitutes, sometimes a backup plan can be the one thing holding you back from giving your all to your art. People take risks in life, and many of them fail. But it is far better to fail by trying than to have never fully tried at all.

If you really feel that strongly about music, learn what you need to learn about music for yourself, but get that marketing degree. That could be invaluable to an up and coming producer.
The money is rapidly disappearing out of music, spending years of your life on a degree that very likely not pay for the time you spent learning it.
Music is one of THE MOST competetive industries, you have more chance of becoming an NBA star.
Every niche in music is very competetive, we can thank all the idol worship shows like pop idol and x factor for that, not to mention how easy it is these days for anyone to start making beats, and then there are those already studying things like engineering degrees, there is only so many jobs to go around and thousands chasing those jobs.
Do yourself a favour and study something other than music, if you are one of the lucky ones with natural talent then good luck pursuing the music while working in your other chosen field.
G really knows what hes talking about with respect to this subject, and some of us other producers have been grinding away for years. If I had your option knowing what I know now, I would take the marketing degree. That doesnt mean Id stop making music, I do that for my own personal enjoyment whether or not I make money off of it.
 

skidflow

Boom Bap is precious art
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 220
Get that schooling chief...you'll always have something to fall back on. Get something solid under your belt and persue music as a SERIOUS hobby...and maybe one day you ching, ching! That idea about minoring in audio production is a pretty good idea because everyone wants to make music...but its less mixing engineers out there I would suppose. I eventually want to go to a audio production school (just to see what programs I can steal lol) and get that indepth knowledge on mixing techniques and what not. Bcause you ll make more doe trying to master some work. The ratio for beatmakers to engineers gotta be like 20 to 1 (just an educated guess)
 

BobCarter

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
thats what i was trying to say..i respect what he said and i believe it but at the same time ive given up on things my whole life because the probability of success was too low...and im going to get my marketing degree but im dedicating all my free time to this every day i'll let ya'll take a listen when I finish a few more songs
 
thats what i was trying to say..i respect what he said and i believe it but at the same time ive given up on things my whole life because the probability of success was too low...and im going to get my marketing degree but im dedicating all my free time to this every day i'll let ya'll take a listen when I finish a few more songs

No one is telling you to give up music, they are just saying dont go for a degree in it.
I work my day job and spend most of my time making music, at times its hard, but at least I can pay the bills, eat reasonably well, I have my car and Im happy with what I have.
Just be realistic, thats the main point.
If you want to pursue education in music, do that later on. But you really can learn a lot for yourself if you put the work in.
I have never had any formal music training ever, I might not be the dopest cat to make a beat, but I know I have learned one hell of a lot from sites like this, and by listening to people like G.
Keep the dream alive, and I look forward to hearing some of your work.
 

God

Creator of the Universe
ill o.g.
Why GoD's post put me in my place:

1) I'm in my early twenties
2) I'm currently a Marketing major
3) I'm not totally sure but it seems subtly directed towards me

I say the following assuming my word matters:

From a realist's standpoint, I completely agree with what you're saying. The music industry is a winner-take-all business and the losers lose hard. I also agree that you should start a blog; I'm sure you get this all the time, but just by being a part of this forum for two weeks, I have seen how knowledgeable you are about the music industry/business and it has helped me learn exactly what the hell I am doing and should do in the future. But the one thing I disagree with is when you say, "He's wasting his life. He's not talented."

From a dreamer/optimist's standpoint:
I always have been and will be a firm believer that if you are doing what you love, even with all the financial struggling an artist/musician goes through, that it is anything but a waste of life. Sure there are few that make it to stardom and even fewer who make a significant impact on music as we know it but just because the odds aren't in a musician's favor, it never hurts to try. From the time people are born, their parent's tell them to reach for the stars and go for their dreams, yet society makes them believe that it is impossible, so they settle for a compromise. I understand that having a back-up plan is always good but when you want something to the point where there could be no other substitutes, sometimes a backup plan can be the one thing holding you back from giving your all to your art. People take risks in life, and many of them fail. But it is far better to fail by trying than to have never fully tried at all.

1. I don't want you to take offense to what I say - but don't be self-centered, man. If I wanted to call you out I would've PM'ed you or replied (like I did) in your thread. Jesus, man. I would've just fucking said your name instead of beat around the bush - as people here know, I cut through bullshit. Research my posts in the archives and see how I call shit like it is. Kickbacks, "side deals." The dark side. Seriously, do a search.

2. I have been around this forum for a long time. Music has been part of my life since I was four years old. I've seen/heard too many people who don't know what they're doing, but think they do. I've seen kids who have written classical compositions on the piano at the age of eight, that's talent. I've seen people who are 31 years old and have never written a hook in their life, or spend six months trying to write a song and then ask for "help" because they can't do it, that's not talent. I've seen a kid write a simple song on the guitar at the age of six. It had a hook. That's talent.

3. Illmuzik has very talented and people that don't know what they're doing. This is like every place in the world. This is how it is. Go to any forum on the internet for the most part, and you have "tiers of expertise."

4. The media is force-feeding young people shit like "you too can be a star." People nowadays don't even have an innate talent, just connections, and they end up stars... (Kardashian, Hilton) so dumbass people don't think that they need talent to make it. Hilton is an elite. Kardashian is a wealthy elite. They have connections. Even Britney Spears was a talented entertainer, though she can't sing worth a shit. She was a talented dancer.

5. Cheap/cracked software production software makes cats think they can write a song. Most people don't know that when "Polow Da Don" writes a song with a "Garage Band" loop (like "Love in Da Club") that it's an probably an backroom deal/ad for Apple pushing its product. It makes you think that YOU TOO can do the same shit. They don't say: Polow has real songwriting chops. It doesn't make people say: fuck, I wonder how Polow learned how to write songs? Did he learn in a high school band? Can he read music? Fuck... is it a professionally mastered mix.

People are fed lies like that... and it's called good marketing.

I remember talking to a person I had a good assumption was a gangbanger (think Crip/Blood... that vein of gangster) who produced a record for a guy that had rap chops. He was all business, a realistic, hood-smart cat who had more common sense than most of the people I see. I bet his IQ was over 150.

You know what he said to me?

"I think it's bullshit that (black people) need to become entertainers or a professional athletes to get out of the 'hood."

I looked at him and understood what he said.

He said he wanted to be a doctor so he could move out the 'hood, but the 'hood got to him. Some people here will know what I mean when I say that.

He knew he was smart enough. He didn't have to be who he was. That was wasted potential. He understood the game.

To cats on this forum: don't be wasted potential. Get a fucking degree. Music, entertainment, sports is not the only way out. Don't limit your horizons. Being a PR rep or a person in corporate sales can comfortably make 100K. Obviously doctors and lawyers make a lot of money too. The music business is not STABLE. You have to LOVE it.

Don't waste your potential. Get a degree.
 

krysolite

ILLIEN
ill o.g.
yezzir. you always have great threads. lol i always keep up with them.
this is my position as well

i'm 20. in uni for electrical engineering (messed up 2 years so im still in first year).
i know if i graduate, get a degree with good resume i can get a nice job.

but i want to make music as well. producing and what not for 7 years or more now. still reallyy into making music. but i put school ahead because i know an eng degree is alot more stable than the music industry EVEN with talent. anyway ur post supports my decision so thats good to read.

BUT ANYWAYS. you really should start a blog. or do u have one already? start a blog man. u dont have to update daily. just something everyone here would greatly appreciate.
peace
 

God

Creator of the Universe
ill o.g.
yezzir. you always have great threads. lol i always keep up with them.
this is my position as well

i'm 20. in uni for electrical engineering (messed up 2 years so im still in first year).
i know if i graduate, get a degree with good resume i can get a nice job.

but i want to make music as well. producing and what not for 7 years or more now. still reallyy into making music. but i put school ahead because i know an eng degree is alot more stable than the music industry EVEN with talent. anyway ur post supports my decision so thats good to read.

BUT ANYWAYS. you really should start a blog. or do u have one already? start a blog man. u dont have to update daily. just something everyone here would greatly appreciate.
peace

1. You should read the book the 48 Laws of Power, or at least read my post on it. Then ask me the "you should start a blog" question after you've put yourself in my shoes.

2. I shouldn't write a blog. I should run a fucking record label.

3. Hi, Relic...

What happened to all the old cats on this forum... the ones that started it? Copenhagen, afriquedeluxe, Wings of an Angel... I forgot. There were a ton of people in the "original crew." BigDMakinTrax?

Did these people change their names?

Anyway, take it easy. I just jacked my own thread.
 
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