Does Dre really produce?

[bigdmakintrax]

Name another producer that been on the scene Since at least 88 still able to make platinum joints, still the one all that came after talk about till this day....there has to be something there LOL and I will never doubt the mans skills fa sho.....I mean in the beginning days of his productions you best believe that Dre probably was making all of the joints by himself not this whole entourage of musicians, just like any of us hahaha but as you get $$$$ you can afford to instead of using the piano from bank 1 on the motif and the bass from bank five and use it and then snatch a sample here and there.....to go find the real pianist and bassist and compose for real.......that great.....see the element of that a lot of people underestimate is the social skills in the studio working with people to have them deliver...its a helluva lot different from sitting behind your workstation and making beats ha....but I played in a band at least 3 or 4 too...you know how hard it is to get 5 or 6 people to make a song and have everyone agree that it sounds good.....but to get 5 musicians together to make some hot hip hop shit......aint too many(or really i mean none) people on this board or any other probably on the internet that can fuK with Dr. Dre period....when him and Quincy hook up I know they gonna come with some real hot shidd...

 

[kojo]

i like to put it like this:

if you put all of Dre's soldiers (i.e scott storch, daz etc..) in a studio with all Dre's musicians and equipment, and told them to make a beat without Dre being there, a dope beat would be made but it wouldnt have that edge of greatness. it would lack the Dre rhythm, thump, everythin. anythin he touches turns gold.

sAfE.

coughs* truth hurts *

 

[M!nd_Ctrl]

Truth Hurts album went Gold people. But I admit it wasn't a major hit of Dre caliber, but also remember that the album was barred from being sold after a lawsuit was filed for the "addictive" song that DJ Quik produced. I thought the album was garbage, but it was selling.

If people here don't look up to Dre or aspire to reach his level, than I don't know why you're making Hip Hop. Some of you say shit like "he's not that great...." blah, blah, blah. What have y'all contributed to Hip Hop? You're just disrespectful.


-Ctrl

 

[trinidad]

Truth Hurts album went Gold people. But I admit it wasn't a major hit of Dre caliber, but also remember that the album was barred from being sold after a lawsuit was filed for the "addictive" song that DJ Quik produced. I thought the album was garbage, but it was selling.

If people here don't look up to Dre or aspire to reach his level, than I don't know why you're making Hip Hop. Some of you say shit like "he's not that great...." blah, blah, blah. What have y'all contributed to Hip Hop? You're just disrespectful.

-Ctrl

Not to knock u of dre but thats not nessiarily tru maybe respect somes when it does how ever its all a matter of opinion feel me great is only define by the person jugding, to me Pete Rock and Premo are the best eva but thats my sample orientated love and just hiphop fundamentalist view, im from jerz so the nyc hip hop is my main influence on the production tip,feel me, so my dre view might be different then yours because hip hop out of NYC relies more on a musicall comosing tip then it is sampling, as a CONDUCTOR of sort Dre cant be touched though, how eva the tru question is rather how much of the brain process is actually his, because listen to the new 50 mobb deep track undoubtably an Alcemist sounding track, while it is credited as a dre track whos the real inspiation in that case, feel me whe gotta look at it in prespective, Dre does his thing as a whole but but like truth said lookat his middle efforts before his great team was compiled and thats how i judge, (truth by the way i think mel man and some others helped with the aftermath joint) Plus read the article form the source where a few of dres ond helpers from the initial aftermath days speak bout him, they might just have inflated egos, but they can also be telling the truth also i dcant say ii know for sure all most ppls knowledge is from reading,
to end it i think Dre is a producer in the sense of how people produce other forms of music, sort of like barry white produce a lot of them quality joints form the70's but i dont think he resally plaid an instrume he compossed ehm

 

[classic]

like folks have said, yall are confusing producing with beat making

If the question was
Is dre still a beatmaker, then the answer would be NO, he used to be back in the day but now he is a pure producer

Cats like timberland and the neptunes are producers and beat makers.
DJ premire / Pete rock - beat makers

class....

 

[bigdmakintrax]

like folks have said, yall are confusing producing with beat making

If the question was
Is dre still a beatmaker, then the answer would be NO, he used to be back in the day but now he is a pure producer

Cats like timberland and the neptunes are producers and beat makers.
DJ premire / Pete rock - beat makers

class....

Ok go Tell Pete Rock and Primo they not producers LOL I see what you are saying but thats not how they are seen in the History books as Hip Hop Legends.....Producing is Producing....putting songs together with an artist....beatmaking = PURELY sitting around at your house making beats without an artist or application in mind if you ask me.......PRODUCING=Working with artists, applying your concepts and vision, using relevant sounds, setting the mood for the artist, having a theme and lastly producing entire albums...I feel that if you have done that you a little more than just a beatmaker(I do believe those apply to Pete Rock and Primo) now can a beatmaker's work become production and in turn put you in the producers's seat? HELL Yeah....lets not try and make up our own rules of what the difference is, the art and craft of production have been around long b4 many of us here on iLL I don't think we are going to greatly redefine it beyond the general understanding of the ART..............Just my 2 cents

 

[trinidad]

Pet Rock and Prem definatley producers ie Gangstarr and the Pete Rock n Cl smooth album, these guys do alot of dictating as to the sound of the songs on they beats u hear it every time they profduce something artists sound are catered to there styles, Man ilove those guys for real, its only producer like thim that can bring that tru East Coast NYC sound back for real,

 

[classic]

when i say beat maker i dont mean it in a negative way at all actually its a complement.

Pete rock and preimre pretty much do everything thing on their own, u wont see them arranging live musicans in a session, they make beats the way most of us in here do. Sitting behind their gear banging away

Now when it comes to recording artists etc.... yea IMO they can be producers they may dicate the way a cat rapps on a song etc....

But when they are creating thier instramentals, they are still beatmakers in the trueist form.....
Its them, their MPC's and vinyal, thats it, they are beatmakers in the truist sense.

Compare that with dre and his live session musicans , and u see where im drawing the line. Dre is more of true producer who brings out the best in people when creating his music . But dre hasent made a beat on his own in years (atleast that i know about he may have some locked away)

WHen u compare those 2 schools its like night and day. But all that matters is the end result which is dope music

class...

 

[trinidad]

Tru it is definatley night and day it like i posted earlier dre is a producer in the same way ppl producer other forms of music like how certain ppl producce pop records they not really doing the gring tey putter all to gether i think a better term for dre would be PRODUCER/ARRAINGER cuz thats what he really does, i think in gemeral hip hop terms producer are generally the beat makers as u said,

 

[Formant024]

Dre has great engineers too, without that dre would be a beatmaker aswell instead of a producer. Where doing executive producer vs writing scores here, so in fact we're all musicians if we dont runn a team of people making a product. I think its all relative(again), I've heard so many poor stuff being beefed up by engineers, even engineers who altered scores to advantage of the client. I'd almost say that for hiphop about 80% of pre production is utter crap and comes out bright sparkling and appealing. I'm not to quick about judging a producer considering the process a beat goes through before publishing and as far as dre goes....He should now his game by now, even if he was crappy producer. In all I know one track I give props to and that was natural born killa with cube, that was the last dre beat I really digged and also had a lot of effort in it. These days it's plain bizz, less effort, I mean, the guy doesnt even need to create or polish cuz he can get the best personel in the world. It's hardly what I call a challenge, but that just me blabbering...

 

[ManDAmyth]

My original post came from the perspective of hip hop where the beatmaker is considered the producer.

If you put me in Dre's lab with all his musicians and engineers, there is no question I'm coming with some hot shit.

All I'll have to do is tell people what I want. I want my drums to sound like this, add more reverb... take them strings up a note blah blah blah....

I find messing with the levels of a beat essential to a producer. In Hip Hop the role of producer mutated into a combination of mixer, engineer, producer out of neccessity.

Dre seems to be redefining that role into something that mirrors every other genre. Maybe I'm too overprotective but I don't want hip hop to become convoluted like other forms of music. Whatever happened to Two Turntables and a Microphone?

Why doesn't Dre ever indentified with his cohorts?

We never see Dr. Dre and his G-Funk Musicians....

Imagine if The Roots were relegated to the background and Black Thought was taking all the credit.

If I could afford it I would hire dope musicians to lay down real basslines, play out the drum patterns I conjure up on real drums and hit keys on a real Rhodes piano.

Just Blaze, Primo, Pete Rock, Alchemist, Large Pro, Erick Sermon>>> They all manipulate their sounds themselves. If that bass needs to hit harder they turn the dial, That sample they dug and chopped, the strings; they hit the keys on the Triton.

The only outside influence is the Engineer and whoever masters their ish. Or maybe they do bring in a live musician to REPLAY a bassline they've already laid down.

 

[classic]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

while u have some good points, it aint as easy as u think trust me. If that were the case then anycat could hire some dope musicans and make qualitity music....

All the classical composers(mozart bach betthoven) are doing the same thing dre is doing and people dont take away from there genius. THe point is this, dre is the source of the music, he may not play evey instrament but he knows what he wants.

beetoven couldent play the oboe or trumpet, but he knew exaclty how he wanted those musicans to sound when he wrote his music.

class.....

 

[ManDAmyth]

Don't get me wrong I got maaaaaaaad respect for Dre. He is inspiration everyday.



Didn't he say in scratch he was studying the theory of music? I think his technique now is the fruit of that mission.

Through all this thread the one thing that's become clear is how amazing Dre is...The greatest producer of all-time is blessing us with tracks and keeps churning them out.

Bach and Mozart etc are genius. Dre is right there with them. That's what caused me to ask the question in the first place. Do we have a modern day Bach making Hip Hop beats.

The answer is yes.

That new joint with Fifty and MoBB is no doubt an Alchemist joint. I've studied that nicca too much, his joints are just like Primo's. There's no question who made the beat. I never thought about it like this but...

Dre is teaching. Everything he's learned he's passing on.

DJ Hi-Tek
Scott Storch
Alchemist

If that's the case I have even more respect for Dre. No producer can match the crisp and clean nature of Dre's track. He makes 'em sound hard but clean. If he's passing on his secrets to those he deems worthy then the man is the Messiah of Hip Hop.

I know I'm not the only one that's daydreamed about learning from Dre himself.

I've enjoyed Dre's career because he's been fucked, he's made mistakes but he's always learned from his experiences. If it's in his plans to pass on what he knows that's real dope.

 

[Fury]

thas crazy i always had that thought in the back of my mind cuz Storch did a bunch of his melodies and he always sounds way different ..who knoes if he really does

 

[Qwerty]

All the classical composers(mozart bach betthoven) are doing the same thing dre is doing and people dont take away from there genius. THe point is this, dre is the source of the music, he may not play evey instrament but he knows what he wants.
.

The hell you talking about, comparing dre to mozart bach betthoven, they PLAYED, like beethoven did Fur Elise, the Pianos sonata and all, so the comparison is not good.

if you put all of Dre's soldiers (i.e scott storch, daz etc..) in a studio with all Dre's musicians and equipment, and told them to make a beat without Dre being there, a dope beat would be made but it wouldnt have that edge of greatness. it would lack the Dre rhythm, thump, everythin. anythin he touches turns gold.

Your kidding, Scott Storch couldn't come with that same greatness??? that piano riff in Still Dre is actually the whole concept of the beat. How about "You Got Me", he produced that, the same way dre does he compose the thing, probably played a couple thing but made most of the orchestrating.

Didn't nobody notice, that since the chronic 2001, dre's beat doesn't sound "that clean". I think he changed engineer

AND WHY THE HELL, DID THEY NEED TO BE TWO PEOPLE to produce Game's Westside Story, it is produced by Dre and Storch, i mean, that's the most sample beat in the world lolllll

 

[classic]

The hell you talking about, comparing dre to mozart bach betthoven, they PLAYED, like beethoven did Fur Elise, the Pianos sonata and all, so the comparison is not good.

Man u dont know ur classical music, wanger, scheburt and tscofksi couldent play one instrament and they are considered some of the greatist composers that ever lived

class.......

 

[Rhythmikal]

i seriously, seriously disagree.

basically thats saying that only dre embodies greatness.... scott storch has had that edge of greatness long before dre came into the picture.... daz, yeah we'll agree tehre cause they seemed to be more collaberators then anything

but check it

take those cats away from dre

what do you got?

yup.

"Dr Dre Presents..... The Aftermath"

which..... uh.... well lets just say its not exactly on the status of the albums he had WITH those collaberators. it had a few moments, but i think its telling that dre's first (only) record without anyone elses backing/input/influence/etc- no nwa, no suge, no snoop, no pac, no star artist, no storch, no elizondo.... yeah that wasnt exactly a heater...

lets not forget the truth hurts fiasco... lets not forget that dre aint battin 1000.....

that said, its the "perfect storm" so to speak, that is great- not dre himself. dre has intangible qualities as do his partners, that when brought TOGETHER, become something special.

lets not forget that dre relies on these people teh same as they do him.

not that this is a knock on dre; you gotta be deaf not to recognize the obvious greatness in the man. lets just remember that its essentially the team thats been put together thats been TRULY great. and they deserve their recognition, just as he does- and the only real negative to this in my book is that in the eyes of the people they rarely get it.

i dont think u quite got what i was tryin to say, tho i agree wit ur points.

basically i meant that Dre got that edge over storch, daz etc.. im not sayin he doesnt need them, because he does.

but for example the Still D.R.E beat, if u heard that for the 1st time u might think Storch is involved here, but you be 100% sure that Dre was involved.

 

[Rhythmikal]

Your kidding, Scott Storch couldn't come with that same greatness??? that piano riff in Still Dre is actually the whole concept of the beat. How about "You Got Me", he produced that, the same way dre does he compose the thing, probably played a couple thing but made most of the orchestrating.

Didn't nobody notice, that since the chronic 2001, dre's beat doesn't sound "that clean". I think he changed engineer

AND WHY THE HELL, DID THEY NEED TO BE TWO PEOPLE to produce Game's Westside Story, it is produced by Dre and Storch, i mean, that's the most sample beat in the world lolllll

trust me man Scott Storch will never be as great as Dre on the production side. just listen to some of the garbage he is already puttin out.

 

[StressWon]

Look,,Imma throw my 2 cents in,,,,



ahem,,,ummmmmm






Maybe not.

 

[Qwerty]

Man u dont know ur classical music, wanger, scheburt and tscofksi couldent play one instrament and they are considered some of the greatist composers that ever lived

class.......

True, i don't know who is wanger, scheburt and little about tsofksi, BUT you compared dre to Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, which all were virtuoso at playing piano, mozart even knew the violin. Yo, i don,t say anything without checking, before i comment i went on wikipedia.org, just to see that i was right about these 3 knowing how to play, so I was right with my refutation