Crazy people on FB defaming Obama

LDB

Banned
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 73
This healthcare crap is scary IMO. I would rather pay than deal with hoping I can redeem my free care. People need to understand the policy before they buy it, it's that simple. If you ask your insurance agent they will go through the details of the plan face to face with you. America hates paying because America is UNHEALTHY. You don't get covered if you smoke, drink, and are overweight......there goes half of us if not more right there. My mom and aunt are agents and will lose their way of life if this garbage goes through. America wants simplicity, and free shit. Sadly noone understands free health care isn't simple....and it's not as half as good as what your paying for. A LOT of stuff is NOT covered, heart transplants, by pass surgeries, and if your over the age of 55 GOOD LUCK!!!

The irony is spilling out of this president. Raise job security, take away insurance and let the agents and companies die out and lose their way of life. No reason to sell a product if it's the ONLY one you can get. The hospitals can just give you another form to fill out and sign up.

I'm not a moderator so I DON'T HAVE TO PLAY NICE. 99.9999% of what you typed is str8 bullshit homie. ILL MUZIK is absolutely the wrong place to come with str8 bullshit. You will get air'd out with the quickness. I don't want your fam to lose there jobs but if there part of a system that screws the unemployed and poor then so be it! Obama is trying to save and create jobs....not eliminate them, that's just total misinformation.

Don't get me wrong..... we respect other peoples opinions and often times even I have changed my views based on hard FACTS. Assuming that CHANGE equates to the end of the world and life as we now know it is a crazy,uneducated assholes rationale FORREAL. If your fam loses their jobs it'll be because the exec's at the INSURANCE company wants to NOT stop robbing the people and want to continue excluding people with pre-existing health problems. It'll be because they no longer can get that 4th Lambo or the 3rd summer home. It'll be because putting all there eggs in the health care basket will no longer keep them SUPER RICH so they've decided to fuck your fam, take there earnings and invest it in another plot to extort the less fortunate!

And as to your UNHEALTHY AMERICANS statement...who the fuck made us unhealthy and why? Why does the healthy shit in the stores cost 3 times as much as the unhealthy shit? And who does being unhealty benefit right now TODAY? If everybody walked around as healthy as Moses would your fam have ever sought a job in health care? The baby boomers are the reason everybody wants to rush into the health care field today. And it's not to prevent them from becoming ill or becoming unhealthy it's to treat them and make a gang of money cause most of them have a pretty descent retirement nest egg saved up and they want to bleed them dry before they DIE. There's the real DEATH PANEL FOR YOU!
 

LDB

Banned
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 73

This is quite funny! I can leave my house right now...walk from door to door and ask each and every black person in my neighborhood "Do you want reparations" and I guarantee that answer would either be in the form of a question.."what da fuck is a reparation" or the answer would be "hell fuck no". What we (like all other Americans) want is real EQUAL RIGHTS and to not be targeted by law enforcement or anybody else because of the color of our skin. That's it...that's all...we don't want to be GIVEN anything because we are born hustlers (and I'm not talking about selling dope) we can and will get to the money if afforded the same opportunity as our white brethren!

See that's the real issue, RACE....sad but true. Hate and fear mongering is Profitable, monetarily and other wise.
 

mono

the invisible visible
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 20
"Now that the era of "change" is upon us, in the form of health care reform, it's enlightening to watch the process unfold.
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U.S. health care today is primarily less a social service than just another investor-driven sector of America's hyper-capitalist culture. The days when religious non-profits, stand-alone community hospitals, and independent physician offices were the norm are long gone.
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HCA, for example, owns 278 hospitals and freestanding surgery centers. In turn, Wall Street equity firms lurk behind the scenes of most large hospital corporations.
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WellPoint and UnitedHealth Group, for example, alone sell insurance to some 67 million Americans, according to recent Senate hearings. It's well established that such private insurers have dumped enormous administrative waste into the system.
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How many more tragic stories have to be told about sick people denied care by insurance giants?
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But then the resistance to health care reform has never been about rational argument or even ideology. It's about entrenched financial interests who cannot be expected to give up a good thing without a fight. No doubt Congress's ability to parse even the mildest vision of reform shows they've got that fight covered.
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Of course, none of this has stopped the cuckoo right from portraying Obama's health reforms as "socialistic."
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The more daunting reality is that it is going to take an extraordinary mass political campaign if the American health care system is ever going to catch up with an industrialized world that has long recognized health care as a public resource similar to education or fire protection.
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Obama wants to promote a more socially palatable version of the existing health care system while preserving the industry's profits. This is another way of saying the President is not about to risk his political career on some "wild plan" to root out the scourge of private insurers and investment firms who are ruining health care.
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In contrast, right-wing zealots appear more than ready for mass action, as Democratic supporters of health reform recently learned when confronted by shouting mobs opposing "socialized medicine"^^ at town hall meetings.
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Whatever the dismal particulars of the legislation to emerge from Congress, there is growing public recognition that health care should be a universal human right.
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There's also far more healthy grassroots activism and discussion taking place.
Accordingly, it is safe to say that the debate over the future of health care justice in the United States has only just begun."

Mark T. Harris has written for Utne, Z, and other magazines. He is a former senior editor for the Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations.


Full article here: http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/22265
 

MagnaOpera

Comes Equipped...
ill o.g.
Doesnt stop stupid people from screaming Hitler though.
Funny cause the ones screaming Hitler are more like Nazi's.
If they hate nazi's so much then why not go kill some, after all there IS the American Nazi party , they arent hard to find. Might be hard to kill but they exsist so if we are gonna get paranoid of all that then why not go lynch some of them??
The irony is that socialism is (IMO) on the left side of the political spectrum while fascism is an extremely conservative (right side of the spectrum) organization of government.
 

7thangel

7th Angel of Armageddon
ill o.g.


an interview with that dude that brought his gun to obamas town hall

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/11/chris-matthews-to-town-ha_n_256952.html






http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20090811-NEWS-908119961



Police: Man arrested before Obama event had loaded gun

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PORTSMOUTH — Police said a man arrested at the scene of President Barack Obama's visit to the city Tuesday was found to be in possession of an unlicensed loaded gun.

Richard Terry Young, 62, of 821 Ocean Blvd. in Hampton, was arrested around 9:40 a.m., hours before Obama's arrival, and charged with the misdemeanor crimes of criminal trespass and carrying a loaded pistol without a license.

Young was found inside Portsmouth High School, where Obama later in the day held his town hall-style forum. Young was detained by the Secret Service and subsequently arrested by Portsmouth Lt. Corey MacDonald. Young was carrying a pocket knife, police said. A subsequent search of his vehicle, parked on school property, revealed a loaded hand gun, police said.

Police said Young is being investigated by the Secret Service for possible federal crimes resulting from the same series of events.

Bail was not immediately set, and Young was in the custody of Portsmouth police on Tuesday night.

Police ask anyone with information regarding the incident to contact Detective Lt. Corey MacDonald at 610-7548, or remain anonymous by calling Crime Stoppers at 431-1199 or (207) 439-1199 or online at www.seacoastcrimestoppers.org.
 

LDB

Banned
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 73
The Republicans mission was accomplished. They knew this type of shit would erupt over they August recess. They've orchestrated it all the way. This country just can not learn from it's mistakes. This footage blatantly shows how you can be totally mislead by the media the real "all seeing eye". When this footage was first aired it was INTENTIONALLY EDITED to slight ONE WAY. Before this shit was aired on national t.v they should have tried to get what happen before and after. I really blame the media for inciting a lot of this. ALL OF THE MEDIA, liberal, conservative etc etc. All of them are knee deep in "gotcha journalism" right now. All they want is to be the first to air the dirty laundry at these town halls. I'm very surprised no one has been killed to this point. If there were about 40 more black people at that town hall I guarantee this would have totally gotten out of hand and those few officers would not have been able to control it. I don't know what white person could be proud of the way some of these people are acting. I said it before and I'll say it again, "Obama could be the best thing that ever happen to this country or the worst". Now let me add this to that statement "because RACISM probably won't let him succeed". Racism in this WORLD is like air, you have to DIE in order not to take it in......

I own a 10 Gage shotgun and a Glock 20 but I'm seriously thinking about purchasing an assault riffle in a few weeks. I'm losing it on the first stupid son of bitch that takes this shit to the next level and hurts one of my family members because of the color of there skin! If this is what they really want (a race war) I'm not going out like no sucker. I'm taking some of the racist bastards with me!
 

Relic

Voice of Illmuzik Radio
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 83
This is quite funny! I can leave my house right now...walk from door to door and ask each and every black person in my neighborhood "Do you want reparations" and I guarantee that answer would either be in the form of a question.."what da fuck is a reparation" or the answer would be "hell fuck no". What we (like all other Americans) want is real EQUAL RIGHTS and to not be targeted by law enforcement or anybody else because of the color of our skin. That's it...that's all...we don't want to be GIVEN anything because we are born hustlers (and I'm not talking about selling dope) we can and will get to the money if afforded the same opportunity as our white brethren!

See that's the real issue, RACE....sad but true. Hate and fear mongering is Profitable, monetarily and other wise.

*Standing Applause*
Thank you. White folks are so gd ignant....
Not all of course, but DAMN they dont even know how fuckin racist they actually are.
 

7thangel

7th Angel of Armageddon
ill o.g.
the anti-reform/anti-obama disruptors have consistently been on tv shows from faux news to msnbc despite behaving badly, while the pro-reforms don't get those interviews, don't get their experience put on tv when they're shouted down and booed while asking a question or telling heart wrenching stories of being fucked over by the insurance industry. hearts and minds.

the msm barely if ever debunks the horrible myths, the latest and most successful being the death panel, which has only a few repubs publicly calling it bs fearmongering while the rest parrot the lie purposely.

so many have tried and failed, truman, fdr, lbj, clinton.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/9/764386/-Health-Care-RejectionistsIts-Always-Been-About-Race

Academic Gerard Boychuk illuminates why the United States has followed such a different course of public policy on health care from Canada's: (PDF)

The politics of race were a central fixture of the period in which American public health insurance policy initially emerged and help to explain both the lack of national public health insurance as well as the specific structure and characteristics of the programs that did develop...

The politics of race had not been a significant barrier to the inception of public health insurance prior to the end of World War II. Had a national program of health insurance been implemented before this point, it almost certainly would have adopted the racialized cast of the existing social programs comprising the American welfare state. To this point, southern Democrats in Congress maintained an effective veto over new programs and, as a result, retained powerful mechanisms to ensure that new programs would not challenge the existing racial status quo...​


They could do this by directly excluding African Americans in the South (e.g., by making farm workers and domestic servants, a big part of the African-American population of the South, ineligible) or by leaving administration to states or localities, and letting them either deny benefits or pay lower benefits than to whites.

Health insurance should have been included in the New Deal, because left as it was until later, it became entangled in the post-war politics of civil rights.

In the immediate postwar period, the ability of the South to enforce an effective policy of segregation on the federal government was challenged as was the racial status quo in the South. The federal government abandoned its official policy of racial segregation beginning with the integration of the American Armed forces by executive order in July 1948. As the federal government became more clearly committed to desegregation after World War II, federal intervention in virtually any policy area could be construed as a potential future challenge to the racial status quo. Due to the highly segregated nature of health services provision in the United States, especially--but not exclusively--in the South, it was virtually inevitable that the politics of public health insurance would become inextricably entwined with the emerging political battles over civil rights. This certainly proved to be the case with President Harry S. Truman's attempts--the first by an American president--to enact national public health insurance in the period from 1948-50. Truman's linking of civil rights and health insurance in his 1947 State of the Nation address and his appointment of a high profile integrationist to lead his administration's health care reform exacerbated southern fears that a national program would challenge the racial segregation of health services in the South...

By the 1960s, circumstances relating to both civil rights and public health insurance had changed dramatically. Segregation in health care services had come on the defensive even in the absence of federal programs. Segregation in education had been found unconstitutional in 1954, and there was every reason to believe that similar court challenges would emerge in the area of health services. The passage of the Civil Rights Act, 1964 made such challenges even more likely. Moreover, the provision of the existing federal program for cost-sharing hospital construction enacted in 1946, which explicitly allowed segregation, was struck down in 1962 by the Supreme Court...
Involvement by the federal government threatened the end of being able to keep health services segregated. Only when court challenges began to force the end of legal segregation anyway did the prospect of federal funds make compromise possible.

For their part, southern lawmakers needed to be able to support health legislation without appearing to be promoting hospital integration and the financial incentives would have to be sufficient to help them sell the program politically. Thus, the administration adopted a deliberate strategy of uncoupling the issue of health insurance from the issue of civil rights, although it was proceeding on both fronts simultaneously--a significant shift in strategy from the late 1940s. The administration strove to ensure that the civil rights implications of the Medicare program were never discussed on the congressional floor, and African-American organizations were conspicuously absent from discussions surrounding Medicare, including the proceedings of congressional committees. Medicaid, a program of federal cost-sharing for medical services provided to needy persons, was added at the last minute and would sweeten the deal for southern representatives, further tilting the balance between the risk of federal intrusion and the flow of federal funds toward the latter. (Not surprisingly, the matching formula favoured poorer states, including virtually all southern states.) At the same time, Medicaid recreated the AFDC compromise in the New Deal and left eligibility, benefit levels, and administration to the states. In order to ensure the limited enforcement of the Civil Rights Act, nursing home care would be included in the Medicaid program for the needy rather than the Medicare program for the aged.

In anticipation of resistance by southern hospitals to the enforcement of civil rights compliance--a key concern of Medicare policy-makers at the program's inception and an issue with which President Johnson himself would become personally concerned--the resulting package included financial terms that were extremely favourable to hospitals and the medical profession in order to prevent broader physician and hospital opposition. These compromises greatly contributed to the overall costs of the program as well as its lack of fiscal controls which, in turn, significantly constrained future reforms. Together these factors dashed the hopes of liberal reformers and assuaged the concern of conservative opponents that Medicare would act as a stepping stone to universal public health insurance. (For more than 20 years, the central challenge for federal policy-makers would be the struggle to bring costs under control.)...​

And the next serious push for national health care, in the 1990s, was similarly shaped by race. Though Clinton's health care reform plan was sold as primarily benefiting the middle-class, since the very poor, who did have a racialized image, were already covered by other programs, the politics of race was still successfully used to scuttle reform.

At the same time, however, dynamics relating to race contributed to an overall context that was inhospitable to health insurance reform. First, the heightened racial charging of the American political system in the early 1990s – a context to which the Clinton administration's proposals for welfare reform and crime control contributed – helped undermine general public support for both expansion of federal programs and increases in taxes necessary to fund them. This greatly constrained the Clinton reformers' latitude in designing their package of health reforms. On the tax side, the lack of public support for higher taxes, which was also strongly conditioned by concerns about spending on minorities, created a context in which the Clinton administration felt bound to adopt an approach which was revenue-neutral. In turn, the failure of the plan to specify new revenue sources became an important element in the declining popularity of the Clinton proposals as important constituencies such as seniors became convinced that the expansion of coverage to the uninsured would be financed through cuts to their own coverage. Secondly, the heightened racial charging of the American political system in the early 1990s also contributed to lowering the public salience of health care relative to other issues which more directly played on racial dynamics such as welfare reform and crime control where reforms would ultimately be successful.​

At least welfare reform and crime control are not current issues. Anxiety about immigration is more than taking their place though. The rest of the dynamic is eerily similar.

And now here we are with an African-American president and on the brink of real health care reform. The ethnographic shifts in the electorate that allowed Obama to win the presidency may be enough to shift the historic tide on the issue, at least if the undemocratic Senate doesn't cause the effort to fail.

I think the history of the struggle for national health care in the US - the only developed country without it - is still infused with tensions over race. It's just become more difficult for opponents to come right out and state that they don't want to share the benefits of society with others not like themselves. Thus the undercurrent of racism and the retreat into a blizzard of lies and arguments against reform that make no apparent sense. It's because they just can't own up in most cases to what their opposition is really about.

the book



trust, many asses are showing. the code words, and the adding of a new target, 'the illegals', are back in full force
 

LDB

Banned
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 73
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this guy was detained by secret service for his sign "death to obama" and "Death Obama, Michelle and her two stupid kids."


Wow.....he's really exercising his rights. I wouldn't prosecute him...I'd put him on a one way flight to Iran, North Korea, China or Russia and dare him to do the same. He'd have a bullet in his head in 2 minutes tops!

See this is a plot. They want to see just how far they can go and exactly how close they can get to Obama to see what law enforcement and the American peoples reaction will be to it. No way in hell could you get away with this if the President was white. Bush's people would lock him up and throw away the key. If they let him walk on this you can just throw away the hate crime laws because they'll be null and void....well...unless it's black on white hate crime then they may attempt to give you the death penalty or at least give you a "pine box" sentence.
 

MagnaOpera

Comes Equipped...
ill o.g.
^ lol what are you even talking about? Have YOU ever been to Iran, Russia or China? *I'll give you that you'd probably be killed for shit talking Kim Jong Il in N. Korea but the other three countries are not as barbaric as you would think...
*Standing Applause*
Thank you. White folks are so gd ignant....
Not all of course, but DAMN they dont even know how fuckin racist they actually are.
So you're calling yourself ignorant?
I'm not a moderator so I DON'T HAVE TO PLAY NICE. 99.9999% of what you typed is str8 bullshit homie. ILL MUZIK is absolutely the wrong place to come with str8 bullshit. You will get air'd out with the quickness. I don't want your fam to lose there jobs but if there part of a system that screws the unemployed and poor then so be it! Obama is trying to save and create jobs....not eliminate them, that's just total misinformation.

Don't get me wrong..... we respect other peoples opinions and often times even I have changed my views based on hard FACTS. Assuming that CHANGE equates to the end of the world and life as we now know it is a crazy,uneducated assholes rationale FORREAL. If your fam loses their jobs it'll be because the exec's at the INSURANCE company wants to NOT stop robbing the people and want to continue excluding people with pre-existing health problems. It'll be because they no longer can get that 4th Lambo or the 3rd summer home. It'll be because putting all there eggs in the health care basket will no longer keep them SUPER RICH so they've decided to fuck your fam, take there earnings and invest it in another plot to extort the less fortunate!

And as to your UNHEALTHY AMERICANS statement...who the fuck made us unhealthy and why? Why does the healthy shit in the stores cost 3 times as much as the unhealthy shit? And who does being unhealty benefit right now TODAY? If everybody walked around as healthy as Moses would your fam have ever sought a job in health care? The baby boomers are the reason everybody wants to rush into the health care field today. And it's not to prevent them from becoming ill or becoming unhealthy it's to treat them and make a gang of money cause most of them have a pretty descent retirement nest egg saved up and they want to bleed them dry before they DIE. There's the real DEATH PANEL FOR YOU!
Dude I see that you're blaming basically everyone for the problems that you see in life... Have you ever tried to make any sort of changes in terms of all the "racism" that you see around you, or do you like to just like to piss and moan about it?
 

Relic

Voice of Illmuzik Radio
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 83
^ lol what are you even talking about? Have YOU ever been to Iran, Russia or China? *I'll give you that you'd probably be killed for shit talking Kim Jong Il in N. Korea but the other three countries are not as barbaric as you would think...
So you're calling yourself ignorant?

I know your not talking to me right?
Perhaps you just had a memory lapse..

Addtionally I said not all, but IF you studied jack squat about African American history and IF you lived in THIS country and had an inkling about what goes on, and IF you were ingrained in the black floks populace here and IF you got to see how some white folks act when out of ear shot of AA people, or IF you saw how people here get followed around stores as if they were going to shoplift every time they entered one because of the color of their skin , and IF you saw how profiling occurs in the south and IF you had a small understanding of what it is like to live in a state where they actually fly the fuckin rebel flag still then maybe you would know exactly what Im talking about..
But you dont , and as usual your in a thread that I started pissing everyone else off ..

Ill wager again you dont know shit about the the culture of Iran as well, if their penal system is not barbaric then why do they torture people that were arrested for protesting the recent election. How do I know? BECAUSE I READ THEIR MEDIA OUTLETS.
Maybe one day you will actually talk about something that you actually know about.

Stop talking to me as I have said before.
 

MagnaOpera

Comes Equipped...
ill o.g.
^ lol... u think racism is exclusive to the south.

Damn man you really are ignorant... and weak minded... I'll stop challenging your bullshit ideology now, I can see it's causing you alot of distress :)
 

Relic

Voice of Illmuzik Radio
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 83
If I didnt have to live by mod rules......................

No one said racism is exclusive to the south you num nut....
But HAVE YOU EVER BEEN DOWN HERE TO SEE WHAT IT IS LIKE?????

I doubt it, your one to talk about weak mindedness, again, either contribute to the damn thread or get the fuck out of it, didnt nobody jerk your chain
 

LDB

Banned
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 73
Dude I see that you're blaming basically everyone for the problems that you see in life... Have you ever tried to make any sort of changes in terms of all the "racism" that you see around you, or do you like to just like to piss and moan about it?

First of all, you don't fucking know me...don't act like you do. Are you an undercover Doctor Phil? Get da fuck outta here.

I see you're finally back on that "bullshit"! The same bullshit you were on when you first became a member here, u chilled out for awhile and now....you're back to showing your true colors again. You try your best to be an asshole in these threads. I make statements, everybody does....they're not personally targeting anybody but you...you always weasel your way into some personal type responses to others. Give a son of bitch an itch and they'll take a mile on you. From this day forward you don't exist to me on ILL. You contribute nothing positive here anyways. Many of us knew you were bad news from the beginning!
 

manguino

Pressure Makes Diamonds
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 7
Yes it's very childish but people are going to die if this keeps up and they'll find away to blame that on the first black President as well. The Republicans have sank to there lowest level ever with this one. I can understand them wanting to debate the plan and not just rush it through but to incite mini riots where people are sure to get hurt, maimed or killed is barbaric.

agreed

and ALOT, not all, of this crazy schitt (including the whole birther movement) is racism veiled in politics too - and that's the reason why the republican party has been in the dumps recently. they used to represent conservative FISCAL ideals but now they're just drawing in people through hot button-fear mongering issues. the whole 2 party system is kinda screwed up to begin with, but it's a little sad to see what's become of the republican party.

as for doing something about racism, it's really hard for one person to make any sort of difference. racism is embedded in the infrastructure of society whether people see it or not, and it's probably going to take alot of discussion to make things right - which a lot of people are scared of (completely different thread i know!)
 
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