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Mcrob
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I am planning on getting a mac for the music production. I am a big fan of the cool edit pro 2000 and was wondering if it would work on the mac.
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vitaminman
IllMuzik Staff
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 1
Hey,
No. It won't work on the Mac, and it will never work on the Mac, unless something drastic happens to the company.
FYI There are two versions of the program: Cool Edit Pro 2.0 and Cool Edit 2000, they are completely separate programs.
There are other programs for the Mac which will do most of what CE can do, like Peak and Spark. If you're set on using a Mac, you should check into those.
Otherwise, get a PC. They're cheaper and more people use them than Macs...you can even build your own if you have a limited knowledge of how computers work.
Take care,
Nick
No. It won't work on the Mac, and it will never work on the Mac, unless something drastic happens to the company.
FYI There are two versions of the program: Cool Edit Pro 2.0 and Cool Edit 2000, they are completely separate programs.
There are other programs for the Mac which will do most of what CE can do, like Peak and Spark. If you're set on using a Mac, you should check into those.
Otherwise, get a PC. They're cheaper and more people use them than Macs...you can even build your own if you have a limited knowledge of how computers work.
Take care,
Nick
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Mcrob
Guest
Yeah I am going to invest for a MAC because I am currently running windows xp and pro tools doesn't work for it. I also have a roland um-1 usb interface and the driver doesn't work on windows xp. I disagree at the fact that people are actually using pc over mac for music productions because of the pro tools program (and others) plus I need one for making a website and graphics.
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Mcrob
Guest
Oh wait what about soundforge? Will that work on Macintosh as well? And with pro tools can you edited the wav files like you can with cool edit pro?
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Fade
The Beat Strangler
Administrator
illest o.g.
Not that I know of, I think SoundForge is for the PC only also.
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/showproduct.asp?PID=668&FeatureID=6663
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/showproduct.asp?PID=668&FeatureID=6663
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Mcrob
Guest
ok cool fuck soundforge then.. what about pro tools? Can't you editor the wav files like you can with cool edit pro?
Fade
The Beat Strangler
Administrator
illest o.g.
You can check it all out here: http://www.digidesign.com/ptfree/
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Copenhagen
Guest
As far as know, you can't edit in ProTools...but then again...I use ProTools for mastering, mixing, applying effects etc...so I haven't look in to all the other features yet...I've only had it for 2-3 months and am still learning...but check the site.
vitaminman
IllMuzik Staff
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 1
Hey,
This is simply not true that more people use Macs for music than PC's...I believe that 90% of the world's computers run Windows, are you saying that the small population of the remaining 8-9% who do music outweigh the population of those doing it on a PC?
Just look at all the apps available for PC nowadays, they only exist because there is a market for them: in wave editors alone, I can list 6 off the top of my head for PC and only 3 for the Mac.
Multitrack programs? The same.
However, I do believe that more people are using Mac at a professional level than PC, and this is because Macs have been doing this level of audio a lot longer than PC's have. Studios have invested time and money into their Mac systems running ProTools, they aren't going to give them up to replace them with cheaper PC's because there's 10+ years of software, hardware and experience locked into them.
However, this is slowly changing, you only have to go to trade shows like NAMM or AES to see how many PC booths are there...
Don't invest in the Mac for Pro Tools just yet...Apple recently bought out Emagic, who was a competitor of Pro Tools. Now that they're in bed together, Digidesign may want to pass on the Mac in favor of the PC so that it doesn't have to compete with both Apple AND Emagic. This is just a business prediction...
From what I've read and heard from users Pro Tools isn't any better or worse than anything else out there; its big advantage is that all your stuff will be compatible with what the bigger studios are using. You can automate just about anything, and you get the luxury of saying, "I use Pro Tools".
I've also heard that its MIDI implementation is crap, but maybe that was fixed under v. 6?
As for graphics...hasn't anyone figured out yet that you can get Photoshop, Illustrator and Quark on a PC yet? I've been using them on my PC for 5+ years now and made a small fortune doing graphic design at my last job...you don't need a Mac to do graphics.
So, your options for wave editors on the Mac are Spark and Peak. If you want similar functionality of CEP20 on a Mac, you'll have to get one of those, Deck for the multitrack, and Raygun for the noise reduction/restoration. This should run you just under $1000.
Take care,
Nick
PS: We own 2 G4's and a G3 Powerbook, all running 9.1 and 10.2., as well as 2 PIII's and a PIV, running 98se and 2000/XP...
This is simply not true that more people use Macs for music than PC's...I believe that 90% of the world's computers run Windows, are you saying that the small population of the remaining 8-9% who do music outweigh the population of those doing it on a PC?
Just look at all the apps available for PC nowadays, they only exist because there is a market for them: in wave editors alone, I can list 6 off the top of my head for PC and only 3 for the Mac.
Multitrack programs? The same.
However, I do believe that more people are using Mac at a professional level than PC, and this is because Macs have been doing this level of audio a lot longer than PC's have. Studios have invested time and money into their Mac systems running ProTools, they aren't going to give them up to replace them with cheaper PC's because there's 10+ years of software, hardware and experience locked into them.
However, this is slowly changing, you only have to go to trade shows like NAMM or AES to see how many PC booths are there...
Don't invest in the Mac for Pro Tools just yet...Apple recently bought out Emagic, who was a competitor of Pro Tools. Now that they're in bed together, Digidesign may want to pass on the Mac in favor of the PC so that it doesn't have to compete with both Apple AND Emagic. This is just a business prediction...
From what I've read and heard from users Pro Tools isn't any better or worse than anything else out there; its big advantage is that all your stuff will be compatible with what the bigger studios are using. You can automate just about anything, and you get the luxury of saying, "I use Pro Tools".
I've also heard that its MIDI implementation is crap, but maybe that was fixed under v. 6?
As for graphics...hasn't anyone figured out yet that you can get Photoshop, Illustrator and Quark on a PC yet? I've been using them on my PC for 5+ years now and made a small fortune doing graphic design at my last job...you don't need a Mac to do graphics.
So, your options for wave editors on the Mac are Spark and Peak. If you want similar functionality of CEP20 on a Mac, you'll have to get one of those, Deck for the multitrack, and Raygun for the noise reduction/restoration. This should run you just under $1000.
Take care,
Nick
PS: We own 2 G4's and a G3 Powerbook, all running 9.1 and 10.2., as well as 2 PIII's and a PIV, running 98se and 2000/XP...
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Mcrob
Guest
no because I want web/graphic/music production.
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Mcrob
Guest
wait vitmainman......
Do you prefer pc over mac or you were just expressing your opinion?
Do you prefer pc over mac or you were just expressing your opinion?
Hay you can edit just fine with PT man thats what its for. So dont trip about wave editors on a mac if you have PT.
This is a quote from the digidesign site:
"System Software: Windows XP Professional or Home Edition (Pro Tools LE 5.3.1 can NOT be installed on systems running Windows 98, Me, 2000, NT, 95, or 3.1)"
You might wanna do some more research about the XP compatability before you make the switch.
This is a quote from the digidesign site:
"System Software: Windows XP Professional or Home Edition (Pro Tools LE 5.3.1 can NOT be installed on systems running Windows 98, Me, 2000, NT, 95, or 3.1)"
You might wanna do some more research about the XP compatability before you make the switch.
vitaminman
IllMuzik Staff
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 1
Hey,
Do I prefer PC over Mac? Not necessarily...they're both computers with a case, operating system, software, video card, RAM, hard drive, sound card, etc.
They both take the same RAM, hard drives, video and sound cards, printers, USB devices, etc. All the bits and pieces in my PCs can be removed and put into my Macs without even blinking.
The only difference is that Macs use Motorola based processors which calculate numbers in one direction; PC's use Intel based processors which calculate numbers in the other direction. There are other differences in the processors in how they handle instructions, I don't understand how this works and don't care to...
What really sets the two machines apart are the softwares which can be run on them. Once upon a time many many moons ago one could only do graphics and audio on Mac computers (and Amiga and Atari) because those were the platforms that companies like Digidesign and Adobe chose to develop on. At the time I'm sure that there were reasons why they chose these computers, maybe it was the stigma that PC's were designed for business, Amigas for games, etc. It was before my time...
Another thing was that Macs forced you to allocate a predefined amount of RAM to a specific program. This was good because you were always assured that x amopunt of RAM would always be used for that program; the disadvantage was that if you ran out of RAM, you would have to shut down the program and allocate more RAM to it. PC's worked with virtual RAM which was essentially a swap file on your hard drive. The advantage was that you never ran out of memory; the disadvantage was that on big projects performance was slow.
Now that RAM is so cheap I don't think that this is much of an issue, and XP allows you to allocate RAM like Macs do.
However, the Amiga and Atari disappeared and left behind the PC and Mac. Apple chose to keep their systems 'closed', PC's are completely open.
The advantage of the Mac way is that they keep closer control over what goes in and out of their machines; the disadvantage is that it becomes very expensive and you don't have as much choice.
The advantage of the PC way is that it allows for 3rd parties to easily develop products for them, users can customise them more easily, and it's cheaper; the disadvantage is that when developing software and drivers the programmers have to take into consideration that there are infinite configurations to look out for. Provided that everyone follows the rules as laid out by Microsoft, everything should work...
So both platforms have their pluses and minuses, neither is better or worse than the other in my experience...and I speak from experience because I own both Macs and PCs.
I choose to use PCs for audio because they're cheaper to buy and there are more options out there for me. I just built a PIV 2.5 ghz machine with an 80 gig drive, 512mb RAM, and a bunch of other goodies for under $700, it's been set up the way I want it from the ground up, and it is compatible with all the software I own. To do the same on a Mac would cost me almost twice as much, and I would be forced to only have one cd drive and no place for the convertor box of my soundcard. I don't know if it would perform any better or worse than a similar configuration on one of my Macs, but the price is certainly more attractive.
As for graphics and web design, our net department does EVERYTHING on the PC, including the servers, databases, backbone and front end. The graphics are done on a Mac because that the computer our designer was brought up on, he is used to its OS and he likes the way the computer 'looks' on his desktop. All the files are cross platform and can be opened from any machine on the network provided that they have the right software. It used to be an issue when the softwares weren't available for PC; now that it is available for PC it is no longer an issue.
So, to answer your question, I am expressing my opinions based on experience and cold facts: you don't need a Mac anymore to do web, graphics and audio...anyone who says that you do is an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about.
However, if you like the way the operating system works, the way they look on your desktop and the 'cult' factor, then the Mac is a great computer to have and you should get one.
Take care,
Nick
Do I prefer PC over Mac? Not necessarily...they're both computers with a case, operating system, software, video card, RAM, hard drive, sound card, etc.
They both take the same RAM, hard drives, video and sound cards, printers, USB devices, etc. All the bits and pieces in my PCs can be removed and put into my Macs without even blinking.
The only difference is that Macs use Motorola based processors which calculate numbers in one direction; PC's use Intel based processors which calculate numbers in the other direction. There are other differences in the processors in how they handle instructions, I don't understand how this works and don't care to...
What really sets the two machines apart are the softwares which can be run on them. Once upon a time many many moons ago one could only do graphics and audio on Mac computers (and Amiga and Atari) because those were the platforms that companies like Digidesign and Adobe chose to develop on. At the time I'm sure that there were reasons why they chose these computers, maybe it was the stigma that PC's were designed for business, Amigas for games, etc. It was before my time...
Another thing was that Macs forced you to allocate a predefined amount of RAM to a specific program. This was good because you were always assured that x amopunt of RAM would always be used for that program; the disadvantage was that if you ran out of RAM, you would have to shut down the program and allocate more RAM to it. PC's worked with virtual RAM which was essentially a swap file on your hard drive. The advantage was that you never ran out of memory; the disadvantage was that on big projects performance was slow.
Now that RAM is so cheap I don't think that this is much of an issue, and XP allows you to allocate RAM like Macs do.
However, the Amiga and Atari disappeared and left behind the PC and Mac. Apple chose to keep their systems 'closed', PC's are completely open.
The advantage of the Mac way is that they keep closer control over what goes in and out of their machines; the disadvantage is that it becomes very expensive and you don't have as much choice.
The advantage of the PC way is that it allows for 3rd parties to easily develop products for them, users can customise them more easily, and it's cheaper; the disadvantage is that when developing software and drivers the programmers have to take into consideration that there are infinite configurations to look out for. Provided that everyone follows the rules as laid out by Microsoft, everything should work...
So both platforms have their pluses and minuses, neither is better or worse than the other in my experience...and I speak from experience because I own both Macs and PCs.
I choose to use PCs for audio because they're cheaper to buy and there are more options out there for me. I just built a PIV 2.5 ghz machine with an 80 gig drive, 512mb RAM, and a bunch of other goodies for under $700, it's been set up the way I want it from the ground up, and it is compatible with all the software I own. To do the same on a Mac would cost me almost twice as much, and I would be forced to only have one cd drive and no place for the convertor box of my soundcard. I don't know if it would perform any better or worse than a similar configuration on one of my Macs, but the price is certainly more attractive.
As for graphics and web design, our net department does EVERYTHING on the PC, including the servers, databases, backbone and front end. The graphics are done on a Mac because that the computer our designer was brought up on, he is used to its OS and he likes the way the computer 'looks' on his desktop. All the files are cross platform and can be opened from any machine on the network provided that they have the right software. It used to be an issue when the softwares weren't available for PC; now that it is available for PC it is no longer an issue.
So, to answer your question, I am expressing my opinions based on experience and cold facts: you don't need a Mac anymore to do web, graphics and audio...anyone who says that you do is an idiot and doesn't know what he's talking about.
However, if you like the way the operating system works, the way they look on your desktop and the 'cult' factor, then the Mac is a great computer to have and you should get one.
Take care,
Nick
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Mcrob
Guest
Ok which one is easier to install ram, gigs and stuff.
vitaminman
IllMuzik Staff
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 1
Hey,
It will be easier on the Mac because when you buy it, everything will be already installed : )
As for upgrading stuff, it's easier on my PC because the case I bought has easy access to drives and RAM, with the Mac we have to clear off a lot of space on the desk to pop open the cases, and the drives are sort of wedged at the bottom.
This should not be a reason to buy a computer though, because you only upgrade once or twice in the lifetime of the computer, and it normally only takes an hour...
Take care,
Nick
It will be easier on the Mac because when you buy it, everything will be already installed : )
As for upgrading stuff, it's easier on my PC because the case I bought has easy access to drives and RAM, with the Mac we have to clear off a lot of space on the desk to pop open the cases, and the drives are sort of wedged at the bottom.
This should not be a reason to buy a computer though, because you only upgrade once or twice in the lifetime of the computer, and it normally only takes an hour...
Take care,
Nick
M
Mcrob
Guest
yeah I made my decision....................
I am getting a mac g4.............after I get an mpc 2000xl
thank you all for your opinions.....
ez
I am getting a mac g4.............after I get an mpc 2000xl
thank you all for your opinions.....
ez
vitaminman
IllMuzik Staff
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 1
Hey,
Ahhh....the fun you will have with Mac...you buy something cool, then two months later they release something new at Mac World that is twice as fast and half the price...
If you wait a few months now, someone else will tell you wait a few more months for the 'new G5 with the superduper velocity engine mkIV with more bells and whistles than ever!', then when you do try to get it someone else tells you to wait six more months etc.
The point is, just get the damn thing, waiting will only drive you nuts!
Take care,
Nick
Ahhh....the fun you will have with Mac...you buy something cool, then two months later they release something new at Mac World that is twice as fast and half the price...
If you wait a few months now, someone else will tell you wait a few more months for the 'new G5 with the superduper velocity engine mkIV with more bells and whistles than ever!', then when you do try to get it someone else tells you to wait six more months etc.
The point is, just get the damn thing, waiting will only drive you nuts!
Take care,
Nick