Buying new PC. Need advice!

mono

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hey, im planning to buy a new pc next month.
budget = low
focus = music production

i found really affordable systems for upgrading (no drives, medium class graphics card), but im a bit baffled as to what cpu and ram to choose.
there are lots of cheap amd quad core processors (4x2.2, 4x2.5 ghz), but i was told they have high power consumption and im not sure whether cubase and vsts can address four cpus.
so maybe i'd be better off with a higher quality dual core processor ?
and how about 4gig of ram, do i need those (xp)? until now i had only 768mb and as far as i experienced, ram is rarely the problem, its rather slow cpu and hard drives.
what do you think? help appreciated

greets
 

LDB

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They only advice that I'd give if your building it or having someone else do it, is to build to the higher end specifications of your DAW!
 
I try to buy parts for future upgradeablity, so when the high end parts become cheaper I can upgrade easily.
That means having a pretty decent motherboard to start with, as thats the foundation.
If you buy a DDR3 M/B which I would suggest you would have to buy the more expensive ddr3 ram as its not backward compatible.
Quad core compatibility is a must, as Kontents said go intel.
Dont get a M/B with on board video card ,that fucks up upgradeability.
A little more spent on the motherboard can get a lot more life out of it.
 

savage_g

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Intel Quad Q6600 is a really nice CPU for the price.
Other than that, just get as much RAM as you can and a 1tb hard drive (really affordable now and will last you for ages)

In my experiences PC music doesn't seem t be about the raw power of the processor; seems to come down to how many processes you can run at once, in which case having more CPU cores will help.
for example my old PC was a quadcore and had a higher clock speed than my current Mac Pro but half as many cores, and the Mac pro wins hands down for being able to run LOADS of VSTs.
 

7thangel

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the new intel 45nm cpu's would be a better choice whether it's a core 2 duo or quad, even the new e5200 dual core which has rave reviews and can be overclocked easily, due to the better performance at a lower power rating. the new 8000 or 7000 series would be a good choice. many local builders are using e5200, e7300/7400, and e8400 for good prices in their pre built systems. however, i'm never really impressed with the mobo choices and definitely would question the psu they would add regardless of wattage.

i recently built my own, giga p45 ds3l mobo, the new intel e7300 core 2 duo 45nm cpu that use less power and less prone to heat up, apline cooling pro 1 heatsink, antec 300 case (comes with two 12 mm fans along with 2 front and 1 side optional fan intakes, coolermaster 500 w psu. i used my old hard drives, old ati gpu card, old phillips dvd flashed into a benq dvd, my old dell monitor and my old 2 x 1 gigs pc-6400 ram.

it cost me almost$400. i could have gotten most of the stuff i already had via bundle deals and such for less than $600 based on what i wanted, less if i chose to downgrade a bit. finding deals is the most important after you research the parts you want and that are compatible with the things you have, other parts, and your needs. i made sure my mobo had at least 3 pci-e slots, i for my uad, and the other 2 for future soundcards or a pci-e firewire card.

the actual building was easier than i thought, with the only issues being attaching the heatsink, because the arctic cooling uses the same method as intels stock heatsinks with the push pin, which feels like you might break the mobo board with the amount of pressure you have to use. the other was attaching the optional fans i bought for it. the screws that come with them are way too small, i goddamn hurt my hand trying to get that shit in the fan cage (thank god antec front intake are detachable) i eventually had to shave the holes to make them bigger but still tight. one thing they never tell you, besides adding more cooling paste if you use a stock heatsink, is that the case needs to have risers for the mobo so it doesn't short out and not to use more than what is actually needed. a little thing that can fry your board or at least cause some serious issues.

i've done a slight overclock to 3 gh fsb 333/1333 and it's running quick and cool. it does more than it's job when making or mixing tracks. i sacrificed taking advantage of uad's wicked christmas/december sale to buy the parts but i'm glad i did

almost forgot, either way, look for xp. i had to get a version from demonoid (xp pro performance edition. wicked and optimized with no bloat) due to my other one being a dell branded oem which would have given some problems with my system i had tried to use it
 

Sucio

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I've worked with AMD processors for the longest time...I love them. They aren't priced as high as the Intel and they run terrific.


I always say the more the merrier....run as much ram as you can..... For a Hard drive....don't get anything more than 500GB...Just run an external... Utilize your HD simply to RUN the programs and save the sessions to the external (for backup).

For the HD try one that works at 7200RPM and up. The prices get kind of ridiculous on drives over 7200rpm. If you have the $ to blow...that may be cool as well.

Make sure your computer is OD cooled......make sure they're enough fans in there to keep it running relatively cool.

DVD burner is always nice......shit they even have blu-ray burners out....25GB on a disk sounds pretty awesome to me. <--completely optional...actually you don't need that at all........


If you don't build your own pc......and you buy one from XYZ....Get a flash drive around 2GB if you don't already have one...they will pay for themselves pretty quickly if you transfer a lot of sessions from one computer to another...


Get a decent monitor as well....anything over 20" is good.....dual monitors work great also.
 

7thangel

7th Angel of Armageddon
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i know amd is less expensive and performs well but once intel began make more affordable chips with better performance amd has fallen behind and the majority of pro pc builders agree that intel is the best bet.

pay attention to the mobo, if you get a mobo that can support the 35 nm cpu's, aka westmere, that will come out sometime late this year, you'll be able to upgrade your cpu to take advantage of the better performance in the next year. which is why i wouldn't spend too much on an old quad like the q6660 and instead look to pay between $80-$130 for a cpu which in real world applications, you're not losing much.

also, don't overlook the extremely important psu. look for certain brand names or pay for going cheap in the long run. that also goes for any pre built system you might end up with or ones included with most cases where the price is too good to be true.
 

Sucio

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Which is why you should always build your PC. ^^

Pre built systems suck balls........not really upgradable..... You'll wind up buying another system in the future...instead of upgrading to your new specs.
 

mono

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thanks guys. this helped a lot. did some research on my own and i came to the conclusion that i have to go for a little less quality/upgradability as for now. intel is releasing new chips in summer, but getting a compatible mobo +ddr3 ram would halve my budget, while i need the money for speed.
the systems i found should be sufficient for a little production (phenom x4 with 4 gigs of ram for round about 300$).

i also found this hardware recommendation guide from the cubase forums pretty useful:
http://www.steinberg.net/index.php?id=456&L=1
 
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