America: Rich VS Poor

[Ominous]

* I wrote this up last night and I have been posting it in certain places because it comes from my heart. It is long but worth the read.


Basically we are in a big mess because of rich (greedy) people. Both Dem and Republicans. American’s don’t have money because they have been laid off, denied a raise or outsourced, they cannot pay the bad mortgage deals they have signed up for.

You notice who gets nasty? It’s always Republicans. You know why? Because Republicans are the PIRATES.

I’m not trolling.

Let me explain. There is another post on this site about the financial crisis. Says this melt down was caused by pirates. But it doesn’t say who the pirates are. Look at Conservative Beliefs outside of Religion. They always say, pick yourself up by your own boot straps. Have self accountability and work hard and earn your keep. It is not my job to take care of you. So they do not like the idea of welfare. They do not like Affirmative action. And I agree with that. They do not want big government coming in and telling you what to do with your money. And I agree with that. Put a salary cap on a CEO, that’s crazy. If I am ever a CEO, I don’t want the government putting a cap on my salary.

But....... if I get a portion of my salary from stock options. And I lay off 25% of the working American Staff to help my overhead cost look good to improve stock prices. Then sell all my stock and watch the company tank because I laid everyone off while I count my 200 million I just made by laying off Americans. Guess what? I am a Republican Pirate.

This is why I understand the idea of SPREADING WEALTH.

If I sell hot dogs and I make a million a year. Fair exchange. I buy my buns from an American baker. I buy my hot dogs from an American butcher. I make American money and I pump it back into the economy by buying other American products and paying my taxes for the right to make a million dollars on American soil. But if I abused Americans to make my money... I think I owe America. I think I need to pay a higher tax. The wealth needs to be spread.

Do any of you RIGHT WINGED Republicans understand that companies get tax cuts for outsourcing American jobs? This is abuse in its worst form. This is the kind of stuff Bush and McCain have been growing in our government for years. What the hell do you think the words "Deregulate" mean? It means I don’t want big government stepping in and policing this abuse.

Republicans have been abusing America for years now. Who do you think has been getting out of hand for the last 8 years? I mean, even Glenn Beck and Bill O. are talking about how bad Republicans have been. Glenn Beck has been talking about how Obama is gonna make this a Socialist country and look at what is happening before Obama has even had any kind of political power outside of voting. Government is having to step in because of greed and abuse of power.

McCain is a good leader, but you know why his chances are shot? Because Republicans are tired of Republicans. Who do you think is in bed with these corporations and these oil companies... literally. When the corruption witch hunt starts going into full gear, you will see a bunch of Republicans pop up.

But wait....

Don’t think I don’t see a bunch of dirty Democrats. You see... here is why republicans really hate Democrats now. Dems blew it for everybody by basically doing the same thing Republicans have been doing in the private sector. But the Dems messed up because they did it in the residential sector. Abusing Americans through mortgages. See, you can lay off Americans and people wont really notice it. Your company can have record profits and you don’t give out raises or Christmas bonuses and no one notices. You can cook the books and sell all your stock and sink the company, and no one notices. But as soon as you sign people up on a bunch of adjustable rate loans and try to completely rape people with bad mortgage deals, EVERYBODY notices it. You know why? Because everyone is starting to understand what is happening to us. Like John McCain says.... people are mad. People are mad because Republicans have deregulated the private sector allowing businesses to abuse Americans. And since American’s don’t have money because they have been laid off, denied a raise or outsourced, they cannot pay the bad mortgage deals they have signed up for. This is effecting everyone’s pocketbook directly and indirectly.

Your neighbor loses his job. You don’t care. But then, his house forecloses. Now you care. Because the value of your house just dropped and you lost money in the form of equity. This is happening on an unprecedented scale. Everyone is being effected. All of us on this comment thread is getting effected by this.

And people show how ignorant to the bigger picture they are when they hang on to things like ACORN and the Abortion issue. And I don’t mean ignorant in an insulting way. I mean in in the sense that you just don’t see the whole thing.

Look, Voter Fraud is a big deal. And so is Abortion. So it is very fair to bring them up. But be sensible about it. If you are willing to tear into Obama for his past and his associations, you need to do the same thing for McCain, Palin and everyone else. I mean... some people get so mad about this Ayers association but the same people will not say anything about Palin’s association to a group that hates America. Really? Man.... how ignorant can people get?

And this voter fraud? Listen to yourself and look at your own postings. Do you seriously think someone writes Mickey Mouse on a voter form and really thinks it is going to count for a vote? You are so ignorant, that all you see is ACORN, but you don’t hear about the people who get turned away for being Black. Nooooo.... you don’t want to talk about that. You want to talk about Obama rigging elections with voter registrations under names like Dallas Cowboys. Really? You just watch Fox News and then run a mile with it. And you think Obama is the leader of ACORN like McCain doesn’t have anything to do with them? Do you know how many people are linked to ACORN outside of Obama?

I just hope people can put in some effort and learn what is really happening in America instead of just copying crap they got off the internet and pasting it in comment sections.

So vote for McCain and keep Obama out of office. You will save a bunch of babies’ lives by banning abortion and taking away Women’s rights. In the mean time, corrupt politicians wage wars we cannot afford and allow these oil companies and other private sector businesses continue to abuse Americans.

This is not about Dems VS Republicans.

This is Rich VS Poor.

 

[Shonsteez]

Well done Om.
Slightly off topic but in relation....
I'll just add this out of my own personal distaste towards the snideness of the Republican party:
One of the biggest things ive noticed time and time again about the republican party is that they never want to SHARE the blame of particular things that are fucked up in our nation, especially revolving around welfare of our people.
In their book, its to each his own and fuck the rest. If u cant hack it I guess your homeless and u die in the street.
Im being blunt but that really is the general attitude that I see time and time again emanate from the Rep party and it really is disgusting IMO. I think a good deal of that mentality comes from long line of rich decedents that basically want to continue cashing in on the way the system currently works for them and not for a majority of other people. The strong connection between church and state that continues to grow mainly on the behalf of the rep party isn't helping anything either.

Another thing that bugs me in relation my first comment is how Republicans typically respond to allegations towards their side and it doesn't matter in regards to what. Just seems to me that about 98% of Democrats respond to this sort of dialog in a debate setting with more compassion and respect for both sides while still maintaining intelligent responses, whereas on the Republican end all i tend to see is that creepy SCOUL that they all tend to put on their face as they talk shit all the while parading around a true answer to the question being asked in the first place.
Shit just tune into Bill Maher, you get to see this first hand in almost every show...The shit creeps me out personally.

You just opened a can of worms with this thread tho Om! I think its a good one tho! haha

 

[Relic]

Great write up Om, if its cool Im going to repost it on my site(giving you credit) so homeland security will leave me alone..

I have been saying since this acorn thing came out, how stupid the argument was that it was fraud, Fraud is when Mickey Mouse actually casts a vote, not when some lazy person trying to get paid puts it down on the reg form..lol smh, they are desperate ..
Its really gonna take EVERYONE for Obama to get out there and vote this time around.
Republicans ought to know a thing or 2 about voter fraud and intimidation though , shouldnt they?
I see a HUGE change coming that hopefully isnt gonna lead to bloodshed in the streets.

 

[thedreampolice]

I totally disagree. First "This is why I understand the idea of SPREADING WEALTH. " That is called socialism second there is money trouble because of the american people. Everyone being in to much credit card debt and buy houses they cant afford. Speding more than they make. Thats really the issue, our economy is built on debt. We need to stop putting blame on the government and look in the mirror. Also look up some statistics on millionaires in this country. The majority (over %90) are first generation self made millionaires. If you work that hard in life to make that money you should be able to keep the majority of it and not get the crap taxed out of you so the "poor" people can stay on welfare and not get a job.

 

[Relic]

^^ OK but who sets a better example for deficit spending than the republicans??
It was a republican that built the economy around debt..

I do believe that there needs to be an effort to make people get out there and "Get a job", but when those same millionares get tax breaks for giving those jobs to someone overseas, then where are these people supposed to go get a job at? McDonalds?

During Clinton's years I believe that they were working on making people who recieve benit\fits go look for work, republicans like "all those people" to stay in their place and killed all those programs once taking the white house.

Chris if you think that Obama is some sort of Karl Marx your falling victim to propaganda, aint no one gonna turn us into a socialist country. In fact if you look at the health care plan set forth it makes sense.

 

[thedreampolice]

ha ha, dont get me wrong I dislike Bush

"During Clinton's years I believe that they were working on making people who recieve benit\fits go look for work, republicans like "all those people" to stay in there place and killed all those things once taking the white house.

Chris if you think that Obama is some sort of Karl Marx your falling victims to propaganda, aint no one gonna turn us into a socialist country."

I tend to find that Democrats lean more socialist. Anyone who gets any money from the government (not including your taxs) wants a socialist country Look at Obamas tax plan he wants to raise taxs for the wealthy when they already get taxed around %40 this is INSANE in America.

 

[Relic]

Barak Obama is a democrat , and rich, and says he can affrod to pay more no prob, I believe him..
I dont know about you but I could use an extra grand a year, ANNND what do you think the under 250, 000 crowd is gonna do with that extra grand?? DO they invest it ?? Hell no, they pour it back into the economy..Dont worry those rich guys aint gonna be hurting.
They will be getting it all right back. And THATS capitalism!

 

[mono]

looking in from the outside i must say, portraying obama and the democrats as socialists is a JOKE. in european political terms hes a right wing conservative, while mccain is a conservative extremist. dont fall for republican propaganda, its simply not true.
there will be no kolkhozy or secret police if obama wins LOL

 

[Relic]

Ahh but there will be if he loses!! lol
Thanks for adding that about actual socialism!

 

[skidflow]

Look at Obamas tax plan he wants to raise taxs for the wealthy when they already get taxed around %40 this is INSANE in America.

You make more you pay more...simple as that. Its a gift and a curse to be rich or poor. People need to start living simplified lifestyles though...you tend to lose less. But some ambitious cutthroats need this wake up call though. If I was rich hey! who knows I might feel different about wanting to share the wealth...but then again I look at things like this...my check is cut in half by child support plus I pay taxes and all that. It has'nt been one politician to talk about the issues of struggling fathers out there who are damn near homeless because they are paying child support, insurance, taxes, etc. I have had to simplify my lifestyle because of some of the choices I made and I was far from being wealthy before my check started getting ripped so I don't really feel sorry for people who are loosing some of their assets because of greed. My check is deducted by 45% for child support and whatever the percentage is for taxes, not to mention that everytime I make more money or get a raise...more money is deducted from my check. So thats all I can relate to...YOU MAKE MORE, YOU PAY MORE.

 

[thedreampolice]

If you make more why should your percentage go up? You are already paying more in tax's as the next guy. You are probably in the %17-%22 tax bracket do you really think its right that if someone make 100k+ a year the government should get %40. That is freakin nuts! I do however agree fathers get rapped on child support. It is so far out of line.

 

[Ominous]

I totally disagree. First "This is why I understand the idea of SPREADING WEALTH. " That is called socialism second there is money trouble because of the american people. Everyone being in to much credit card debt and buy houses they cant afford. Speding more than they make. Thats really the issue, our economy is built on debt.

I believe in spreading wealth that is acquired by abusing Americans. THAT IS NOT SOCIALISM. That is justice.

Like I said, I don't believe in CEO Salary caps. I think I should be able to make my money and keep it. But I don't think it is fair to abuse Americans to make the money. A lot of these "rich" motherfuckers are ripping people off to get paid and they should pay back society some how. The system fails if there is no circulation of funds. You have to have a way to pump money back into the system through things like taxes. As far as debt goes, I agree with you there to. People are spending out of their limits. That's all my wife and I fight about. She always wants to buy shit every weekend. I buy one game and that last me 2 months. But you have to understand, debt and boring is what drives this nation. You need start up money to get your business going. You need a loan for a car and a house because not to many people have 20,000 cash for a car or 100,000 cash for a home. Debt is not the problem, if anything it is a solution because borrowing is a service in and of itself and it is how a lot of income is generated.

Education is the problem because people are not smart enough to control their level of borrowing and come corporations are not smart enough to control their level of greed.

Education is the key.

Great write up Om, if its cool Im going to repost it on my site(giving you credit) so homeland security will leave me alone....

Thanks for reading and the feedback. Copy and paste all you want. I don't even want the credit. I just want people to understand what is happening. Or better yet, correct me if I am wrong. Like Dream's response. I am all for hearing that stuff. I really want to know if I am way off. I don't want to be all in for Obama and it turns out he is some fucked up Manchurian Candidate. I don't want that egg on my face. I want my country to prosper so I can prosper.

One of the biggest things ive noticed time and time again about the republican party is that they never want to SHARE the blame of particular things that are fucked up in our nation, especially revolving around welfare of our people. In their book, its to each his own and fuck the rest. If u cant hack it I guess your homeless and u die in the street.

Republicans typically respond to allegations towards their side and it doesn't matter in regards to what. Just seems to me that about 98% of Democrats respond to this sort of dialog in a debate setting with more compassion and respect for both sides while still maintaining intelligent responses, whereas on the Republican end all i tend to see is that creepy SCOUL that they all tend to put on their face as they talk shit all the while parading around a true answer to the question being asked in the first place.

You are fucking dead on my brotha. I could not have said it better. I have an actual list of Republican pundits that do exactly what you are talking about. They disregard logic to push their agenda. And the shit is ill. You CANNOT, sit there and pump up Palin and turn around and smash Obama. You cannot bring up Ayers and them act like Palin isn't connect to succession parties. You cannot ignore Keating 5. Obama a socialist? What? He isn't even in office and whe are heading that way so how is this Obama's fault. It doesn't make sense. Bill Maher even calls them out on it. He's like "Do you hear yourself?" Republicans sound insane half the time. It's like they don't want to look at facts outside of the Democrats.

Look man... Dems can be fuct up, but if we started keeping tally on who is more fuct up, I think it would be way more Republicans than Dems. Which I will explain....

I tend to find that Democrats lean more socialist. Anyone who gets any money from the government (not including your taxs) wants a socialist country Look at Obamas tax plan he wants to raise taxs for the wealthy when they already get taxed around %40 this is INSANE in America.

I agree with you here. I don't think taxing is fair. But again, education is the key. You have to understand, when you hear raising taxes, this is code for, stop giving tax breaks to rich people who hurt America. If you outsource jobs to other countries, you should not be getting a tax break. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Let me get this straight. This company is going to take millions of American's money in profits by paying someone else to do the work? This is why America is failing.... It is like a check book. You cannot spend more than you make.

WELL THAT IS WHAT PRIVATE SECTOR COMPANIES AND OUR GOVERNMENT IS MAKING US DO.

We can't even get decent salaries to maintain the current quality of life we have right now.

But I agree with DREAM. It is our faults. But the Republicans and dirty Dems ain't helping either. You know your broke ass shouldn't be using your credit cards and buying houses and cars you cannot afford.

My sister's boyfriend bought a new Mustang he can't afford. He makes a $400 car note on it and can't afford insurance. So as soon as he bust his whip.... he's fuct. Dumb move on his part. But you know who else is also at fault? The lender who agreed to let him take the car. Because if he crashes his whip and can't afford to fix it, guess what? He stops paying them because why would he pay $400 a month for a car he isn't even driving and now they are fuct out of their money. So everyone is at fault.

looking in from the outside i must say, portraying obama and the democrats as socialists is a JOKE. Dont fall for republican propaganda, its simply not true.

EXACTLY... kinda what Steez and I are getting at. Look, I can have a sensible debate and I want to learn what is happening. But when you sit down with a lot of Republicans, they are so biased and closed-minded.




It is scary because even they know it.

 

[Relic]

If you make more why should your percentage go up? You are already paying more in tax's as the next guy. You are probably in the %17-%22 tax bracket do you really think its right that if someone make 100k+ a year the government should get %40. That is freakin nuts! I do however agree fathers get rapped on child support. It is so far out of line.

Chris...Its 250,000 a year not 100,000 you actually get a tax break if you make 100,000 so stop panicking and vote Obama.

 

[thedreampolice]

"You need start up money to get your business going. You need a loan for a car and a house because not to many people have 20,000 cash for a car or 100,000 cash for a home. Debt is not the problem, if anything it is a solution because borrowing is a service in and of itself and it is how a lot of income is generated."

Wrong wrong and wrong, the answer is dont buy a 20k car but a 3k one and save up. Why pay someone interest.

"Chris...Its 250,000 a year not 100,000 you actually get a tax break if you make 100,000 so stop panicking and vote Obama."

I understand that he wants to tax people that make over 250k more what I am saving is that people that make over 100k ALREADY get taxed almost %40 and that is insane in american and needs to stop!

 

[skidflow]

"You need start up money to get your business going. You need a loan for a car and a house because not to many people have 20,000 cash for a car or 100,000 cash for a home. Debt is not the problem, if anything it is a solution because borrowing is a service in and of itself and it is how a lot of income is generated."

Wrong wrong and wrong, the answer is dont buy a 20k car but a 3k one and save up. Why pay someone interest.

"Chris...Its 250,000 a year not 100,000 you actually get a tax break if you make 100,000 so stop panicking and vote Obama."

I understand that he wants to tax people that make over 250k more what I am saving is that people that make over 100k ALREADY get taxed almost %40 and that is insane in american and needs to stop!

Well what America should do is VOTE OBAMA!!!

 

[Relic]

"You need start up money to get your business going. You need a loan for a car and a house because not to many people have 20,000 cash for a car or 100,000 cash for a home. Debt is not the problem, if anything it is a solution because borrowing is a service in and of itself and it is how a lot of income is generated."

Wrong wrong and wrong, the answer is dont buy a 20k car but a 3k one and save up. Why pay someone interest.

"Chris...Its 250,000 a year not 100,000 you actually get a tax break if you make 100,000 so stop panicking and vote Obama."

I understand that he wants to tax people that make over 250k more what I am saving is that people that make over 100k ALREADY get taxed almost %40 and that is insane in american and needs to stop!

That changes under the new tax plan sir... Or maybe you havent heard about the tax plan yet?? lol
Totally agree with you on personal fiscal responsibility..
Maybe if rappers stop having videos with $300,000 cars in them and billion dollar houses people will stop trying to live beyond their means..lol
OR people who lend could be more responsible..
Again I almost shot the guy in the face who wanted to give me a million bucks even if I had no job.. Told him too.

Surely you guys at Sweetwater have responsible credit lending for gear there right???

 

[Ominous]

I understand that he wants to tax people that make over 250k more what I am saving is that people that make over 100k ALREADY get taxed almost %40 and that is insane in american and needs to stop!

I make over 100,000 and I don't get taxes 40%. What do you mean by exactly?

On top of that, the tax increase Obama talks about only goes towards the portion over $250,000. That is what Obama means when he says "a little more". Its not like you hit 250,000 and then you get a huge tax hike on all of it. Just the portion over $250.

And here is the ideology on that...

If you drop an album and you make 10 million. You should pay a little more in taxes for having the ability to do that our American soil. Dude... go to other countries and try to do that kind of shit. Go to the Philippines and try to take advantage of the same opportunities you have here. It is only fair to pay your dues in keeping a system like this working. So much so, that it is being forced on us now in the form of a BAIL OUT.

Debt is almost unavoidable. It is what drives our country. You lose money paying interest. But that is where investment comes from. When you invest, you are basing it on the idea of growth. It comes in the form of profit and in interest. When you pay rent... that is like throwing money down a drain. But if you own and you finance, you can at least make some of that money back in equity. And the lender gets their money in the form of interest from finance.

But you are on the edge of understanding the problem.

You are right. People just need to save up and buy a car for $3000 bucks. But that is the problem. A lot of people don't even have the means for that. We are having record layoffs. Record numbers set for low merit raises. Companies just don't want to pay people. On top of that... you know how many companies would shrivel up and die if people didn't buy their $20,000 cars through financing? That is what the whole bail out is about. PEOPLE DONT HAVE MONEY so they cannot pay institutions, so the government is going to force it out of people. It is like one huge Child support program but instead, we are supporting businesses. So what BIG BUSINESS is saying is...

If you don't pay us, we cannot pay you.

But that is the problem, they don't pay us NOW so how can we pay them back? They don't want to provide decent health care. Companies like Walmart make all this money and then they can't give people decent health care to keep them from going bankrupt. So now that people are shutting down in MASS, corporations are feeling the pain.

So my question to you is, "WHY DO YOU THINK THE RICH ARE UNDER ATTACK?"

Because if you punch someone in the face, you can expect them to fight back. Rich people have been abusing the shit out of middle class people. And they have abused us so much, that we have no choice but to fight back.

Look, you are right man... taxing needs to stop. But what happens next?

Look at this BAIL OUT homie. This is rich people fucking the poor people. They are forcing everyone to support them. Well who is going to force them to pay their part of America's system?

Again, the problem is education. Everyone needs to know how this works.

 

[Relic]

GD Om, we might need you in Washington!

BTW there are MAJOR companies around my way shutting down, unbelievable actually.

 

[thedreampolice]

Dude its all good, but if you make over 100k and report that on your taxs as income then you are in the %37 tax bracket.

For info on how ANYONE at ANY income level can live with out debt check out this book!
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The bail out was totally lame! I agree. But any tax over %30 is lame as well. I can believe how many people here are ok with this.

 

[Relic]

No one here wants to pay taxes including Obama, BUT lemme say this....
SINCE we have all this MASSIVE dabt because of a war that has nada to do with 911 and the bailout and just the everyday crap we run up, some one, anyone explain to me HOW in the hell we pay for shit without a tax increase.
This is like Dream po says.. you dont buy a 20 plasma screens a beemer a hummer a couple of Benzez and a shit load of guns without increasing your income... Yes? No?
There are ways to increase the income by cutting spending, BUT it helps to get a pay raise.
The thing is to put in check congress just pissing shit away. There isnt much responsiblility there at all.. I think OM and Shonteez have it on point .
Now gimme some money...

Oh nd speaking of the war... Why arent we using perfectly good nap[alm to stop the poppy tradein Afghanastan.. ok ok I know the logistics to do with the people and the money and the crops and the war;ords/govners but for real..
that shit is being run totally asinine