ADAT's

ill o.g.
How many of you use ADAT?

Im tryin to get the concept of this, cuz if these do what i think they do, then im def gettin some of this.

Im really thinkin bout gettin a Fostex RD8. Its got the 8 tracks, you know.

I had a guy at the local music shop try to explain this, but he was talkin to fast for me so i got a couple questions.

-If you got the right cord you can sync two of these to make 16 tracks?

-How exactly would i go about usin this for recordin a track? I use the 8 outs on an MPC and assign my different sounds to each one and send each out of the MPC to each of the 8 ins on the ADAT recorder? Then when i wanna mix later, i use the 8 outs on the ADAT recorder and put those through a mixer then mix as i send it to a computer or whatever kind of recorder you use to duplicate yuor shit?

Am i gettin this right? Let me know.
 

Fade

The Beat Strangler
Administrator
illest o.g.
1. Yes you can. I think you can sync up to 8 ADAT machines at once! I don't know if that's the maximum, but I remember messing with ADATs once in a studio.

2. I don't have an MPC so I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that's the correct way of doing things - exactly like you explained it.

If anyone knows more about ADATs, throw in your 2 cents. I used them back in '94! I can't really remember much about them.
 

Formant024

Digital Smokerings
ill o.g.
Hmmm, there are various ways to use this machine, the issue is really on what you intend to use. For instance, on a console with 24+ channels you'll often have the option to send audio to a bus/group. You'll at least find a 4 to 8, it varies. What you can do then is route all 8 out from the mpc+ other input in mixdown to the mixer and select a bus/group for each instrument i.e. drums are send to bus1/group1, bass to bus2/group2. Mostly with busses/groups on 24+ consoles will have a dedicated fader section on the console to mix n blend those 4/8 bus/group chnls. Now,with this function you should have bus/group outputs which you would use to feed an RD8 and record it. The RD8 has a built in small version BRC and can sync to all conditions. It not really a thing to worry about, the machine seems solve the lack of proper connections.

This setup as described is just one, we have one setup here, a a Fostex D90+D160, that;s hooked up to Fostex VC8 which A/D - D/A, which is then linked to the RME HDSP. A complete ADAT port are 2 connectors for fibre optic wires, In and Out. Through one adat cable go 8 chnls. The RME support 3 adat ports and the D90+D160 will give a setup of 24 chnl multitracking. Now the Fostex wil serve different purposes, as converters or as a recorder, but it's all in the same setup, the only flexible routing we have in there are the patchbays where all synths in and out, dynamics in, out, side chain and key inserts, fx in out are connected to a rigg of patchbays. As a converter, we record to pc and not to the HD set. The HD set we use for the converters only, signals goes enroute to rme which records all the channels. After record all recorded audio goes by logic out to the console for mixdown. If we use the HD it's actualy a non destructive approach to a recording of a session. You can fairly say that the HD recorder wont ever fail on you, a pc no matter who well build and setup will. With certain customers you will exclude the possibilty of a an error during a succesfull recording, time is expsensive money. I think in that perspective it describes a hd recorder's biggest benefit when bought.

However, I think that the clerk is trying to sell you something you dont really need since HD is a luxury item in a budget or non band environment. I think what you need is a something that has enough I/O for your hardware as an interface to your pc to record on with possibly an LC to control the software interface. Such a whole setup wil cost you dearly though when compared to the cost of the RD8. However, to come back at the first however, I conclude that this product wasnt really popular since a simple search on google gave barely any info. Meaning... He's gitting rid of his so called NOS crap he couldnt possibly sell with profit unless he finds a noob ( no offence ).

I dont know what your budget is but assume you're using a pc. For a mac I'd say the MOTU 24I/O as best buy for amount of quality converters or better but so expensive HD192, no comment. For PC there are a lot of options and depending on how much gear you intend to use you can decide what amount of I/O you need. 16 might be appropiate for you, that leaves at least 7 chnls ( 8+1mic) for whatever you feel to insert. Look into a second hand Creamware A16 A/D converter and possibly a pulsar to go along. Something bit more expsensive ( read new ) are the new Onyx mixers by mackie. They're Analog, the Onyx 1220 comes with 4 mic pre's, 3 band eq with sweep on mid on 4 mic/line inputs. There are 4 stereo strips with 3 band eq. 2 aux send to paired returns to all channels and master section. The outputs are stereo par 1/4 balanced , 1 pair xlr balanced, balanced 1 tape I/O, phones, direct Inserts and......etc etce etc but.....

On expansion it has ..... Firewire....

something no one has done so far, but this solves the external 12/16 chnl A/D cv problem. Just fire it away into the pc. Master/monitor section has an optional monitor input from the pc for talkback, which is actualy pretty cool for such a budget console but makes an adequate tool in any bedroom or even small time studio for a fairly cheap price I guess. You'll have to look it up hehe.

Sum more info from the site.

For those who record and produce music on computers, we’ve given Onyx mixers another “world’s first” – an optional user-installable 24-bit/96kHz FireWire I/O card with the ability to send up to 16 individual channels of high-quality digital audio direct to any FireWire-equipped computer (Windows XP or Mac OSX.3 or later). The FireWire card also sends a Left/Right stereo “quick mix” to the computer, with a level trim control that boosts or cuts the mix by ±10 dB as it is sent to the card — again letting you set levels independently for the live L/R mix and the recorded tracks.

Better still, the FireWire interface returns two channels of audio from the computer to the mixer, letting you monitor your computer through the control room/phones matrix (pictured at left). So with FireWire, Onyx mixers can record everything from live gigs to studio sessions, with higher quality and lower latency than many dedicated computer audio interfaces. (In fact, an Onyx 1640 mixer with FireWire rivals the specifications and performance of dedicated studio A/D converters costing more than the entire Onyx 1640 mixer. Not to mention giving you waaaay more channels and flexibility.

k, this post took like 6 big ones of skunk mix, some nasty feeding frenzy, beer, a whole lot of sport, some back to back spinning, all this during typing like 3 hours or so. This is by far my longest post ever hhehehe
 
ill o.g.
Thanks everybody. Specially formant.

Formant,

The clerk want tryin to sell me anythin. I asked him how adat works. And i got the idea of an RD8 cuz ive seen them go pretty cheap on ebay.


I looked at adat because im lookin for an alternative to using a computer as a multitrack recorder. I dont like usin computers, what ive been tryin to do for a long time is get a full hardware setup. Im almost there. I just need a multitrack recorder now. I think a thing about ADAT use for me would be, if maybe some kid i know made a beat, and i got an mc that wants to rhyme on it, he could have the basic beat spread onto 8 tracks on an ADAT tape. I get the tape, put it in my ADAT shit, and have him record the vocals onto the 2nd ADAT recorder (synced to the first one), then just mix it by the outputs of the ADATs goin through my 16-Channel Mixer, into this real nice casette recorder i got. Then the track is finished. And i can give him back his tape, or save it for a remix on another day or somethin.


Thanks for lettin me know about this though. Im thinkin maybe ill stick with tryin to get a portastudio from Tascam. A lot less features, but i know i aint payin for shit that im not gonna use.



PEACE
 

Formant024

Digital Smokerings
ill o.g.
Well, it not mostly the case but in all you do understand that a lot of ADAT products are just 44 or 48 kHz. There are new product that use the ADAT protocol to use higher resolutions.

Some Ebay thingies I quickly found, price go cheap down the list.

Fostex FD-8 Multitrack Hard Disk Recorder 10GB HD NR
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41478&item=3742946841&rd=1

Fostex VR800 Digital Multitrack Recorder
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41478&item=3742905754&rd=1

Fostex MR-8 8-Track Digital Multi-Track Recorder
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41478&item=3742901544&rd=1

2) Fostex RD 8 Adat multi track recorders
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41478&item=3742540323&rd=1

Alesis HD24 Digital Recorder
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41477&item=3742799992&rd=1

Alesis HD24 Hard disk recorder adat
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41477&item=3742122624&rd=1

Alesis Adat Type II XT20 20 bit 8 Track Recorder NEW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41477&item=3742401351&rd=1#ebayphotohosting

2 alesis LX20 adat recorders, 1alesis BRC controler
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41477&item=3742854844&rd=1

TASCAM DA 38 Digital Multirack Recorder 147 Hrs! MINT
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41480&item=3741229399&rd=1

TASCAM DA78HR-USED
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41480&item=3742901891&rd=1

4 Alesis ADAT XT20's
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41477&item=3742778666&rd=1

ALESIS ADAT XT20 TYPE II BRAND NEW IN ORIGINAL B.$100.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41477&item=4031292146&rd=1

Alesis ADAT / Black Face
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41477&item=3740740890&rd=1

Alesis Black Face Adat
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41477&item=3742303594&rd=1

Fostex RD8 Adat Recorder
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41478&item=3742543458&rd=1

Alesis LX20 ADAT Digital Recorder No Hours
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41477&item=3742141539&rd=1

(this goes well with a 8 track setup)
BRAND NEW PreSonus ACP 88 * PLUS 8 new cables included!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15199&item=3741817809&rd=1

Alesis Adat Black Face
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41477&item=3742851174&rd=1

ALESIS ADAT " BLACK FACE" 16 BIT RECORDER
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41477&item=3742011163&rd=1

Alesis ADAT Blackface Only 56 Hours with BRC! NR BIN
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41477&item=3742989208&rd=1
 

Formant024

Digital Smokerings
ill o.g.
The VR has ADAT connection only so there no way to hook up them 8 out from your mpc, meaning you'd need something like a forstex VC8 which for A/D conversion ( simply put, 1/8 rca to adat I/O ). They come in cheap on second market these days are perfect for this. You need a scsi device for storage of all audio and there's also room for a IDE HD. Or, you can get a simple card like the emu 0404, which I believe comes with one adat port. Another option is a second hand yamaha 01v, which has a single adat port so you can route channels to the 01v and use its dynamics and fx. You can burn a master to pc or tape as you prefer.

The black faced ADAT is the same as the LX20 I believe, the fact they come in cheap is because everyone is switching to pc. Its easier by pc, faster too, but with a good console with discrete cirquitry cq good vca's it will sound good none the less, perhaps better than many daw.

If your looking into it then your lucky because a lot of these products are just for cheap to be found everywhere. You might consider looking into an high end 8 chnls mixer aswell to actualy complement the sound of your vintage gear.
 
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