I want to start using the mastering side of Reason, but I have no idea what I'm doing at this moment in time. I'm wondering if any of you could recommend one of the built-in patches to use for general hip hop use? I find that the actual hip hop patch pushes out my kicks in parts.
Pre-Built Mastering Patches
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I recommend you don’t use reason for any terms of "mastering" you can mix your tracks better in an outside DAW like PT or Cubebase or Live or Adobe Audition. Reason crunches the sound and lacks the proper tools to achieve a GREAT mix. Take your time and get yourself familiar with an outside DAW and learn to mix first before you even consider "mastering" a track. You will probably never achieve a mastered track if you just make beats. Mastering is an actual job in itself that is apart from the producer- engineer. You are jumping about 3 places of mixing down a track by making a beat then "mastering" it.
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And presets usually blow, you can use them if you want but it would be better to get the result you really want, just play wit shit and use tutorials. ya it's been said over and over, but you home masters arn't that great, i'd just mix it good w/o mastering
And presets usually blow, you can use them if you want but it would be better to get the result you really want, just play wit shit and use tutorials. ya it's been said over and over, but you home masters arn't that great, i'd just mix it good w/o mastering
Reasons mastering suite is useful if your just trying to make your tracks louder for the net once converted to mp3 for something like myspace but I would leave that stuff set to bypass for a real track you plan to have pressed and mastered by a professional.
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You can actually get really really good mixes out of reason if you know what you're doing with it. I've seen film scoring producers do this time and time again. The mastering suite I wouldn't really use it for the final master as I would just a processing unit. Once you do get a good mix from the app then that would be a good time to save that mixing preset as a template/preset for that specific sound.
If you're making tracks for Jingle works you can do the all out full mix in reason. I've been doing it since R2.5 a lot of the sounds people are geeked over in NI apps, Ik multimedia apps I've actually crafted in nothing but Malstrom unit (especially some of the ethnic sounds)
It's a lot easier to mix and master in daw no way around that especially when you have artist's you're working with. You can't really master a beat w/o an artist on it nles of course it's not intended for that use. Being able to see and control wav is very beneficial sadly reason doesn't offer that. You can't edit midi like you can wav.
If you're making tracks for Jingle works you can do the all out full mix in reason. I've been doing it since R2.5 a lot of the sounds people are geeked over in NI apps, Ik multimedia apps I've actually crafted in nothing but Malstrom unit (especially some of the ethnic sounds)
It's a lot easier to mix and master in daw no way around that especially when you have artist's you're working with. You can't really master a beat w/o an artist on it nles of course it's not intended for that use. Being able to see and control wav is very beneficial sadly reason doesn't offer that. You can't edit midi like you can wav.
loll. but ya. i use the hip hop preset on the mastering suite too. it does boost up the bass. doesn't really distort the sound from what i see and hear. hm. maybe you guys raise the volume too much before applying it? sometimes u get an unwanted mix. the pop preset isn't bad either. it's like a slight bass/high end boost. keeps your shit from clipping too. lol. kind of a quick way to squash your tracks i think.
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The presets to me don't make a great contribute to the mix as in sound quality. The screams body section can add the bass as it rounds the track up from my experience. I think a dry mix out of Reason is the best idea, but hey... to each his own right?
true. but then the boost might cause it to clip. i try to make all my levels mix nice but at highest volume. adding a boost would just push that over the edge and make it clip. but i guess if u mix outside of reason that could work too
I always use the mastering suite.
I start with a default mastering suite and then mainly use the eq inside the mastering suite to do a final eq.
I try not to use the compressor.
I mainly use it to get as good a quality balance of sound from the track before exporting into Soundforge and using the Waves plugins for the final master.
Exporting each track into something like pro tools is without a doubt the better way to go, it is also long winded and requires learning another whole piece of software.
The results speak for themselves, but so does the time it takes to learn not only equing & mastering, but also a piece of software as complicated as pro tools.
My advice will be to use the default mastering suite in between the hardware mixer and the track mixer, and then play around with the vairious elements inside the suite to hear what each thing does.
It is equipped with an eq, a compressor, a stereo imager and a limiter. These are standard mixing/mastering tools, and it would pay to learn the basics of each tool before diving in at the deep end.
You can also bypass the mastering suite to check the new "mastered" version against the original at a flick of a switch.
I start with a default mastering suite and then mainly use the eq inside the mastering suite to do a final eq.
I try not to use the compressor.
I mainly use it to get as good a quality balance of sound from the track before exporting into Soundforge and using the Waves plugins for the final master.
Exporting each track into something like pro tools is without a doubt the better way to go, it is also long winded and requires learning another whole piece of software.
The results speak for themselves, but so does the time it takes to learn not only equing & mastering, but also a piece of software as complicated as pro tools.
My advice will be to use the default mastering suite in between the hardware mixer and the track mixer, and then play around with the vairious elements inside the suite to hear what each thing does.
It is equipped with an eq, a compressor, a stereo imager and a limiter. These are standard mixing/mastering tools, and it would pay to learn the basics of each tool before diving in at the deep end.
You can also bypass the mastering suite to check the new "mastered" version against the original at a flick of a switch.
Thanks for the post. I'll try that and if I don't get on well with it I'll use AL for the master.
Thanks for the replies peoples too.
Good advice, I'll remember that. Thanks Steez.
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exactly! this used to be my technique when i mixed in reason.
Just to add-on:
All your panning, and volume, and fx should be set so that it sounds exactly how you want it. Check the clipping on the master mixer. The typical rule of thumb is that if no sounds are clipping individually but the master track does, either work on your panning/mix or turn the MASTER down a bit.
volume is not volume, only perceived volume. So you can increase the amount of volume precieved by the listener with the mastering suite (also you have a little headroom since you turned the master down).
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yes do not let it go above 0db
Red = bad.
That's what I thought. So the best way to avoid clipping us to lower the fader on the mixer, and then bring the volume back up on a compressor in the master?
if it clips. theres a little 'light' in the bottom left that lights up. in red i think? just stare at that and play through the beat. u don't have to watch the mixer and see the volume jumping and try to catch a quick flash in the red.
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GOOD LUCK. i have a lab in 1 hour. WISH ME LUCK.
Greg Savage
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Let's not forget Reason is 3-5 DB's too quiet. You can have a track that clips in reason but when you export it (w/o bypassing your processing) and have it in Pro tools or other daws it wont be clipping.
I see.
Well all I did with the mix at the moment was checked the icon bottom left to see if it was clipping like krysolite said, and each point it was clipping I muted different tracks to see what it was, then just looped it and looped it until I had the volume right. Then I burnt the track to disk and threw it in the stereo and it sounded OK to me, all the levels sounded right.