I analyze everything....

[bigdmakintrax]

BiGD's analysis....
Ok it seems to me there is a saltiness between purists, or foundation heads east coast, South etc.....I too am guilty...well I don't consider myself guilty as far as the preference for my music I like to enjoy or identify with its difficult to change that as far as hip hop...but I listen to all genres of music because I love music........I think the difference between cultures, and no I am not talking some vast difference either but since hip hip itself has to do with culture then maybe in the beginning there were these engrained things that were ummmm NY centric or east coast and the culture itself revolved around that....but in the south and other areas there are different words, slang, styles =culture....so with that there evolve more diverse or localized styles.....but in the same vein they all are still hip hop....okay....now it doesn't matter how opened minded you might seem you sort of are a product of the environment or the type of music you primarily grew up listening too....does that make it harder for you to understand the music....certainly not....but the culture surrounding the music makes it much harder for you to identify and therefore either validate or give an unbiased opinion of the music as a whole.....follow me?....
Music is music this is true but for real connoiseurs we know there is a difference and we have preferences and biases just like the hood or block we grew up in as being familiar....so after doing some real digging and yes I am doing research on this topic...I had to fallback to definitions of hip hop to assist me in finding out how to analyze it....yeah I know this seems like way too much thought but right now is a pivotal time in how the music is evolving....where it goes I am not sure....but anyhow what do you think about the evolution of hip hop and the musical aspect and also the universal cultural aspect do you think that hip hop is becoming more universal than ever and with the internet do you see a new pure form of the music evolving or will there always be splits and different forms of the music because of cultural and local influences?......



Afrika Bambaataa's Definition Of Hip Hop?

Hip Hop means the whole culture of the movement.. when you talk about rap..Rap is part of the hip hop culture..The emceeing..The djaying is part of the hip hop culture. The dressing the languages are all part of the hip hop culture.The break dancing the b-boys, b-girls ..how you act, walk, look, talk are all part of hip hop culture.. and the music is colorless.. Hip Hop music is made from Black, brown, yellow, red, white.. whatever music that gives you the grunt.. that funk.. that groove or that beat.. It's all part of hip hop....

Are artist from the West Coast and Miami considered Hip Hop?

Too Short, E-40 all the brothers and sisters that are making that hip hop and coming from the funk part of it are all hip hoppers.. The Electro Funk which is that Planet Rock sound which is now considered the Miami Bass sound is also hip hop.. The GoGo sound that you hear from Washington DC is also hip hop.. New Jack Swing that Teddy Riley is R&B and hip hop mixed together...So hip hop has progressed into different sounds and different avenues.. People also have to recognize from hip hop music..inparticular the electro funk came House music and Freestyle music with a lot of our Pueto Rican hip hoppers...

The freestyle music really comes from Planet Rock..If you look at all the freestyle records its based upon Planet Rock.. If you look at all the Miami Bass records it's based upon Planet Rock.. It's all based upon electro funk... which came from hip hop music...

Hip Hop has experimented with a lot of different styles of music and there's a lot of people who have brought different changes over time with hip hop.. which have brought out all these funky records which everybody just started jumpin' on like a catch phrase.. For example when 'Planet Rock' came out you had all of the electro funk records.. When you had Doug E Fresh with the show and 'La Di Da Di'.. a lot of rappers went that way...When Eric B came out with 'I Know U Got Soul'... all the way up to Run DMC and Wu-Tang. All these people brought changes within hip hop music... Unfortunately today a lot of the people who created hip hop..meaning the Black and Latinos do not control it no more...

Afrika Bambaataa
Sept 23 1996

 

[shadeed]

Best believe that the saltiness only lies with those that are no longer relevant.
The ill thing about Hip hop is that where ever you go the opinion changes.
In Houston Texas, if you asked who the greatest MC of all time is, a lotta ppl might
say Fat Pat, the best producer is Screw, and the best label is Rap a Lot.
A lotta east coast cats get all caught up with "Rap started here, we're the best" mentality but if you look at the charts, NYC ain't been poppin for a minute now,
dudes like Lil Jon are going double plat on an independent label, which is unheard of in rap music. Everyboyd has their own tastes and flavor, but the ones who stay around in this business are the ones who incorporate all the styles into one accessible one.

 

[sYgMa]

That's what I think...

I think hiphop is evoling and you cant classify hiphop. It's always evolving because a lot of people with different views of what hiphop is/isn't are involved in the creation/evolution of different paths that culture is taking. Hiphop is international. You see Iraqi MC's as well as Chinese, French, Italians... etc. Of course, some will say that they emulate, and, for that reason, hiphop is starting to look like a stereotype, but I dont think it's true.

I dont know if it was popular in the states, but Apache Indian was a dancehall singer in the 90's he was from India, if I recall. Between Jamaica and India... there is a very long way, and Apache had his unique sound of dancehall. Same goes for hiphop...

Africa Bahamadia said that it was unfortunate that a lot of the people who created hip hop..meaning the Black and Latinos do not control it no more... I dont think so. I think this movement needs to grow and become mature, like rock is right now. Hiphop is what rock was in the 60's and 70's. Some people still think it's a fade that will disapear. I dont think so... The fact is, it's not dying, It's growing. And a bit too fast, in my opinion, actually.

 

[Formant024]

What do you think about the evolution of hip hop and the musical aspect and also the universal cultural aspect do you think that hip hop is becoming more universal than ever ...
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Like most music of the past 20 years, nothing changed except the industry. The influence from the major labels upon the music has been very little as it's only targets those in the commercial branche which is a slight part of all musicians, artist. I mean, there's industry and scenes and you can do well in both depending on your definition of "well". And good things dont reside in the industry, there amongst your locals. But when concerning hiphop I must conclude that in general the genre is pretty conservative in that the participants of the culture heavily revive the past's classics. Only a small group within the culture step away from the mainstream, to be found mostly in the underground and a few one-hit wonders with there own signature styles find it up the charts. Charts get attention, underground doesnt, so what is progression when it's biased merely at industry exploit and from what perspective can you define "the evolution of hiphop" ?

Now, considering that the commercial evolution of hiphop stands on a global platform. Eminem is in this case what you might call an "evolution" of hiphop. All over the world people want to be their own personafication of Mr. Matters. This influence fuels their motivation to rap or produce, but we know in most cases that their aim is to be as good as ..., to have what ... has and to claim ...'s status. Add technology to this situation, there's been more producers than ever but about 80% of these newskoolers are still very noob since PC's are the way to make a product but a slow process to knowledge. More producers today doesn't mean better quality, it's the opposite imo. But, there's one thing to be said...Although I aim at skill any given time, hiphop has been more popular then ever and it's still growing.

And there's another issue I've encountered, one for being non-american; Like american peeps would tell me we're way behind the US, people even talk about years behind which mistaken. First off, you're talking chart material and the influence of the US industry is all over the globe and they operate biased to the country they reside in, but with the trends set the american way (when speaking of hiphop). The result is indeed an outdated concept of hiphop, but that's still in fashion with the trends anywhere else when taking evolutionary hiphop in mind. But when I look at the US charts scene I hear nothing but rmx's, same ol' prefered beats and very little progression in the music itself, even commercial rappers go down for what skills are concerned. Take 50 or the game for example, it might be cool to the newskool, but I dont think is rapping, just plain talking... That's not evolutionary nor progressive. Those that came from hiphop and go down in commercialsm that after a while you can hardly talk about hiphop...it's just pop (Fugees, Outkast, Black eyed ni$@a Please).

Oke, I aint ranting, the point is, that when we speak of evolution and progression I only recognize it in all hiphop from around the globe, except the US (if I leave the US underground scene out, that is). It's not a bad thing, but there's nothing new (read progressive, evolutionary) coming from the US on a massive exploitable level. If I add the underground to it, it's the mecca of hiphop because it operates globaly and those in that part of the hiphop culture are pretty much world citizen instead of american.




and with the internet do you see a new pure form of the music evolving or will there always be splits and different forms of the music because of cultural and local influences?......
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yes, there will be cultures and subcultures and for most you mention here above they already excist. But I do think that the level of acceptance of artist, styles in favor remains within the bounderaries of that scene. It's very rarely that such styles become broadly accepted for exploit, let alone be exploited in favor of the artist. The US scene to dominant for such ideals, so they set the standard...shits like monopoly and I wish it was different. For instance, how many americans seen Sayan Supa Crew or Ozo-Matli and why haven't you if you didn't ? In that, internet can offer a lot but it very seldomly can change a man's perspective on this topic. You need a platform in your local scene that's supports related cult along side anything else, like a full tolerance hiphop scene where there's no division between those who rap like this or those who do things the alternative way.

Me personaly I have one protocol to grow in the cult, do things my way, do things differently, do things you haven't done...and listen...just listen.

 

[sYgMa]

Saian Supa is the shit, for real! I simply love their production style. Not French (even if they are from France) and not american... and they really can move a crowd...

I think the reason they aren't known is a language barrier, and that's it... cuz here in Quebec, when they come. People are rushing to get tix...

As for Outkast and Fugees (dont know about Black Eyed Peas thought), I dont think they went into commercialism. If you listen to The Score and everything that was mad in that time, they did their thing, same goes for Outkast. What happened is that people liked the sound so it became more popular.

Even if "Hey ya" got mad radio play, I'm not sure that Andre did the beat to have radio play. I think he just wanted to do a beat like that and it just happen to be something that America (by America, I mean TV, Radio, etc...) could live with and listen to.

 

[Haze47]

yo i love these type a threads, but in future when writing shit loads, could we please all DOUBLE SPACE? just a suggestion....


word up big d,

svengali really got to you didnt he....?

 

[StressWon]

svengali really got to you didnt he....?

wasnt he part of the Voltron force? lol,,the original blue lion???? lol



seriously tho,,,yall makin valid points,,and true Haze,,these are great threads,,,we could use more of them. I think the actual industry just takes away from the culture when it comes to music. The culture itself is mimmicked and duplicated, but we know who's who and they can be weeded out by us "purists". My take is purely this when it comes to the music end of things,,,MAKE GOOD FUCKIN" MUSIC! Thats it. But actual good Hip Hop music doesn't get any real attention.



someone mentioned that in different regions of the US, there are different opinions. But dont forget Hip Hop on a whole is world wide,,that leaves alot more opinions. Now, this is where I'm goin,,,,,,,,If Fat Pat is the best Texas has to offer,,,then I want this guy on my MTV. If us East Coast/NYC heads think Rakim or KRS is the best,,,I want them on my MTV,,,feel what I'm sayin? The industry is alot like American Idol. Especially the Hip Hop part. It's what the country likes,,not what we the Hip Hop Heads love.


Another example,,,,now, I'm an emcee,,been doing my thing for awhile. I've been approached by labels Big and Lil. Here's the thing,,,,I'm not tootin my hoen so to speak but if I must be modest, I'm nice wit it,,,and don't look at my older stuff, because my newer shit blows that away,,lol,,anyway, I've been told that my music needs to be toned down by the majors and I need to be "new age" by a few up and comin indys. C'Mon man! This sucks! But, unfortunately this is the business. Even the underground scene is shady and gettin watered down.


My bottom line is that Hip Hop is a culture. Just like any culture,,,it has its own music. The music is popular so it is now marketable,,,and when somethin is marketable, it is mass produced,, and when something is mass produced, it tends to water down. I mean, when McDonalds first opened, I'm sure them burgers came nicely put together and wrapped accordingly,,,,,now,,I ask for a cheesburger,,,I get a slapped together meat sandwich.

 

[bigdmakintrax]

svengali? I dont know what you are talking about Corruption...LOL

 

[Haze47]

that guy in the last showcase, who said he didnt like to review ppl.....

 

[classic]

Best believe that the saltiness only lies with those that are no longer relevant.
The ill thing about Hip hop is that where ever you go the opinion changes.
In Houston Texas, if you asked who the greatest MC of all time is, a lotta ppl might
say Fat Pat, the best producer is Screw, and the best label is Rap a Lot.
A lotta east coast cats get all caught up with "Rap started here, we're the best" mentality but if you look at the charts, NYC ain't been poppin for a minute now,
dudes like Lil Jon are going double plat on an independent label, which is unheard of in rap music. Everyboyd has their own tastes and flavor, but the ones who stay around in this business are the ones who incorporate all the styles into one accessible one.

^^^^
real talk right there, i dont gotta say nuttin else

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