FL vs MPC vs Reason

[Kevin A]

When is this legendary event going to take place?
We know MPC is the industry standard, But I think it's all about the hand the wheels the sword, the man behind the machine.

Put me down for FL, if the moderator aren't sassy about this topic.
For some reason this battle seems to be a scary topic that people want to be set in there ways about. But I say we have this battle, and only the people who battled can have a forum reception where we critique each other. Personally,I would like to Write in concrete that FL can hang wit anything out there. I usta use a mpc, so I know what they both can do, on the other hand, I don't think to highly of reason at all, so I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong.






Fruitylooper

 

[WingsOfAnAngel]

ok:

1. this is not a good idea.

2. this is not a good idea at all.

3. have i mentioned that it's not a good idea?!

as you said yourself - "it's all about the hand the wheels the sword, the man behind the machine". VERY TRUE.

now, "don't think too highly of reason at all" - i STRONGLY DISAGREE.
with all due respect, reason has a REAL sequencer. fruity loops, on the other hand, got a very uncomfortable ( :yes: ) one (step seq.). reason's sequencer is much more flexible. THAT'S A FACT. no point arguing over it. back in the day, FLP was created as an improved tracker. thus, in my opinion, its sequencing tools are clumsy.

i do not say that FLP sucks, god no!
FLP supports VST|VSTI|DX, while reason do not. yet, i LOVE reason for what it is. every single track of mine has been produced within reason, and that's the case for the future ones.

in my opinion, there is no point having such a battle. each to his own. use whatever you want and do your best with it... :thumb:

 

[The Bastard]

i think thatd be phat have 3 diffrent crews of people one that uses reason,fl,and hardware annd well have an elimination style tournament,its all in good fun no1 has to get mad just sum friendly competition,go team fruity loops!

 

[SupaStar]

i too think its a bad idea and only because of the major choice factor amongst the three and that is cost. It is the cost of fl studio that makes it as popular as it is, its programmers managed to fit everything and the kitchen sink into a affordable package. Reason developed in the light of the need for professionals with serious attitudes bout they music. and mpc is a classic there is no comparison or shall there ever be one for it is in a class of its own, I rather think of fl studio that i use as my b*tch that does what i want when i want, and i believe that if i could've afforded reason or an mpc I would be great on either just the same.

 

[Shonsteez]

Here we go again....

 

[mono]

yeah, why loosin time and creativity for an such unproductive idea...

 

[The Bastard]

how u losin time and creativity when u do sumthin for fun

 

[CooGi_dice]

hmmmmmm..... its a good idea in some ways but a bad idea in other ways.

good: i guess it would be sort of fun.. id like to participate if it went down (mpc side of things).
bad: well.....hmmmm.... in my opinion... its not completely fair.

 

[Kevin A]

Excuses Excuses

All the more reason to have this competitions. People find all kinds of reasons to compete on this site. They compete over Beef, which has to be the lowest form of competition, and they compete almost every month consecutively, for the prize of some beat Cd's, and then there's another competiton floating around here without any prizes.
This is a competition were people could gain a new respect for the ability of other software and hardware tools not normally used by the indivisual. Just by reading this thread you can see the bias that is out there, and nobody has a clear perspective because of this. This competition can clear up some of that bias. People are talking about things like price oppose to functionality. What is it, we can't compete because you spent more money on your tools than we did? That's silly. Be it as it may, I see why some folk may not want this competiton to take place. Some people have more on the line. I would fill silly myself if I paid 1200 dollars for something, and here is somebody else, only spent $150, doin the samething I'm doin, and better depending on the person behind the machine. Yeah I would want to hold on to all I can, I think that's why the FL people are the only people who are up for this challange. And Wings, when I first met you, you said that you don't compete, so I don't understand why you've come to hate on the competition (not to be answered just stated). It's a competition not a battle. It's to set some records straight with proof, not biases or theories.

From this point on, if you don't want to compete that's fine, the choice is always yours, but don't get in other peoples way. I'm sure there are other people using Reason and the MPC with enough character to compete. We are not trying to put any one down, because in a competition like this, everyone is gonna be trying their best, so I expect to hear alot of good work from people working hard and exploring the boundaries of their tools. Lets see what you can do is all we sayin. So if your thinking about posting, try to keep in mind that we want to know who's down, not who's not down.





FLstudio
Kevin A
Inspectah Wu

Reason
Nobody

MPC
CooGi_dice

 

[WingsOfAnAngel]

Kevin! i do not hate, but this competition is USELESS! what exactly would it prove?!?!
each user (aka beatmaker, aka producer) is different. if the reason competitor loses, does it mean the reason is inferior to flp?
beef battles are pointless as well, but those battles are not made in order to show which app is better.
you can make good music with basically every program out there, so it's all about the skills you got.
i see NO point having such a competition.
NO POINT AT ALL.
you are welcome to proceed if you like, but the results won't show a thing.

 

[RigorMortis]

word the thing is the users dont proof the quality of what they are using.. everything has its pro and contra thingies.

and even then, music has its facts but is still a subjective thing..


i on the other hand am brilliant for waking the dead..
good luck to everybody.

 

[bigdmakintrax]

Man I miss the good ol days of Illmuzik when the moderators were sort of low key and just moderate and not interject their personal thoughts on everything and pick apart every thread, let cats do what they want this is a hip hop music forum not some politically correct college library club or day care.......it's sort of like your mother is online nowadays........posts get deleted and you never know what happened to them...this place sucks lately.......that's my thoughts, from when I first joined it was sort of an ill forum...too much heavy moderation in my opinion.

 

[Kevin A]

You Know Wings, all this hating started with your post. You actually changed the atmosphere of the thread from something Positive to something negative.

1st you had 3 points saying the exact same to belittle the competition.
Then you missed and half quoted me so you could write some hater stuff about the software.

I said

on the other hand, I don't think to highly of reason at all, so I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong.

You qouted just

now, "don't think too highly of reason at all" - i STRONGLY DISAGREE.

What happened to the I? Then you went onto hatin on my software of choice. I've tried to used reason maybe 3 times, and I didn't like it, I would think that anyone that read

so I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong.

Would put 1 & 2 together, and understand that I'm not closed minded about my perception of that software, that I'm open to see it's ability.

The bickering and Biased ideas, are just a small part of the reason to have this competition
And now that I've read your last post, it's like you forgot all the hatin you did on the functionality of FL, with the butter up comment to sweep up the trash at the end. Then here goes Krzy k

It is the cost of fl studio that makes it as popular as it is, its programmers managed to fit everything and the kitchen sink into a affordable package. Reason developed in the light of the need for professionals with serious attitudes bout they music. and mpc is a classic there is no comparison or shall there ever be one for it is in a class of its own

This competitionis not about dissin, it's about getting on the same page.

What would this competition prove?
1. Just bcause you don't like doesn't mean that it can't compete with the best.
2. Just because it cost less doesn't mean it can't compete with the best.
3. Just because it cost more doesn't mean that it is the best. ( this gives hope to the less fortunate, who also would love to make music and never had he opportunity.
4. Software and hardware ability (what you can make it do , is some of the things that can be done with it).
5. Personal ability
6. That it really is fair game, based on experience and talent.

What is the competition for?

This is a competition were people could gain a new respect for the ability of other software and hardware tools not normally used by the indivisual.

This is a celebration of the abilities of the programs and hardware that allows us to make music. I don't expect to have any losers, and there are no prizes or winners, just acknowledgement, respect, and advice. All we need is a thread that we can use like a round table, and every person envolved can give there acknowledgement to the top 5 works they like the best. I'm looking for 5 people for each tool, that's 15 people. We all know somethings go without saying, like computers don't make beats on there own, so lets kill the noise, and lets compete to do our best. That's all I'm looking for.


If that competition is USELESS! what competition isn't
if you wanna help, like you most of the time seem to want to do, get us a thread when the time is ready. If not, step to the side.
And let use alone like Big D said.

 

[WingsOfAnAngel]

OKAY OKAY, kevin!
no need to attack. if i were a hater, the thread would have looked differently.
i think that i was misunderstood:
i never said anything bad about fl nor about any other software. and i didn't HATE your idea. all i said was that IN MY *H-U-M-B-L-E* OPINION, this is a bad idea.
such a competition does not prove anything. that's all.
i would be glad to set the thread, but i can't - im not a mod in that section. i only moderate the PRODUCTION section.
there are excellent producers who use reason \ flp \ cubase \ pro tools \ logic \ nuendo \ ejay (NO!) :laugh:
it's all about one's OWN skills.
you can't judge a software by conducting a competition. that is what i think.
be my guest to proceed. as you asked me, i'm stepping to the side (would be easy cause im leaving within less than 48 hours :lol: ).

GOOD LUCK,
Wings

 

[Kevin A]

See you still got the wrong idea
we're not judging if it sucks, just if it can do. And the only way you can know what it can do, is to hear samples. This may be a important factor for someone who is about to make a decision on what tool to purchase.
I don't know anyone who has bought a mpc or thought about buying one without hearing what it can do, or taking someones advice. You just don't pick up a mpc, without hearing or knowing anything about it, and automatically know what to do. The bottom line is, hearing samples and the advice of others play a big role as to why some people choose what
they use to create music. This competition is good for alot of reasons. I believe you've been made the same point over and over again. No more please. Let us have this.

 

[WingsOfAnAngel]

one hundred percent
best of luck!
i was just expressing my opinion, as a user and not as a moderator. the ball is in your hands now. i wish ya'll, competitors, good luck!

my lovely blond assistant, DOROTHY 'TENDER TONGUE', offers herself as a peace present. would you accept her for a night of pure pleasure? she's a special and rather capable young woman! and she uses fruity loops as well (for slightly different purposes :laugh: ).

Peace And Especially Love,
Wings + Dorothy

 

[Haze47]

i use reason for ALL my tracks, and as wings said he does as well so does afrique, does this mean our beats suck in your eyes?

that wasnt an attack just an observation....a question really...

 

[The Bastard]

chill out everyone no need to make an issue over it ,no matter who wins it wont prove anything cuz theres always gunna be sum1 that uses sumthin else that is better than you, i jus think its a good idea cuz it sounds fun like playin yur boy in a video game style fun ,senseless competition ,course the winner gets to say in your face

p.s. i think what he said was ,to him the software sucks im pretty sure he didnt say anything about your beats guy

 

[Haze47]

no i know he didnt say anything about mine, but it looks like he doesnt like anybodies with reason....
"I don't think to highly of reason at all, so I'm waiting for someone to prove me wrong."

 

[CooGi_dice]

ok................ before i said it was both a good and bad idea.. but now i feal it is a realy good idea.

why?

becouse kevins intentions are pure.... like he said its not a battle, its just a showcase in which diffrent producers and beat makers can show off both there abilitys and there equipments abilitys.

but at the same time evryone (those who participate and those who dont) can learn alot from it and maybe even gain some new respect for both the equipments abilitys and the persons creativity with that equipment.

i personaly have alot to gain from this.... i will be able to see for my self exactly whaat software could do as far as hip-hop... i know about 5 or 6 people who use software, but 2 of them are garbage, 1 is a good freind of mine but she does not make hip-hop music and the others i dont realy talk to like that so i dont know what they are doing with the software.
who knows, after something like this i might try to incorparate a lil software into my creative prosses, along with the hardware i use.


if it go's down for those who participate: AS LONG AS EVRYTHING IS KEPT FREINDLY AND POSITIVE, AND WE ALL MAINTAIN A MUTUAL RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER THREW OUR LOVE OF HIP-HOP.... I SEE ABSOLUTLY NOTHING WRONG WITH IT, AND VIEW IT AS A GREAT IDEA AND LEARNING TOOL.