A must read for producers....
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Da IllFellaz
Knee Deep In Da Beats
um no....
40 to 50 yr old white men who are pd's at radio stations across the country
(my wife is white jus so you know)
thats who i blame
producers make beats with whats going on now. they are going to make beats to help support themselves and their families.
if the money is in making sampled ny hip hop, then they gon make sampled ny hip hop.
if the money is in making fisher price snap beats then they gon make fisher price snap beats.
its pretty much that basic....
40 to 50 yr old white men who are pd's at radio stations across the country
(my wife is white jus so you know)
thats who i blame
producers make beats with whats going on now. they are going to make beats to help support themselves and their families.
if the money is in making sampled ny hip hop, then they gon make sampled ny hip hop.
if the money is in making fisher price snap beats then they gon make fisher price snap beats.
its pretty much that basic....
manguino
Pressure Makes Diamonds
ill o.g.
Battle Points: 7
I think you're right for the majority of producers. But then again, there are also the innovators (moreso in the earlier days) that keep moving the sound of music in a different direction.
But the blame of the quality of hip hop shouldn't be the producer's problems. It's the record execs (cliche i know) that put these terrible rap artists out there in the first place that's "killing things".
But the blame of the quality of hip hop shouldn't be the producer's problems. It's the record execs (cliche i know) that put these terrible rap artists out there in the first place that's "killing things".
Cold Truth
IllMuzik Moderator
*yawn*
highly uninformative, boring, self important nonsense if you ask me
in what ways has the quality of production gone down?
yeah, it's a lot of shit i don't like. matter of fact, it's a lot of shit that gets a pass for being "good" today are equal culprits. for every generic "laffy taffy" beat, there is an equally uninspired and boring soul loop/chop that gets jizzed on because its supposedly "soulful"
then you have creative, cohesive, high-depth-of-vision offerings like game theory.
you have commercial beats by guys like polow the don (say what you want about the awful name or his cartoonishly insane interviews, he makes some great radio beats. )timbaland has resurrected himself again in grand fashion. kanye, just blaze, alchemist all make great beats. el-p is another creative boundaries pusher.... just a few examples. this dude is ignoring a LOT of material withi this rant. the state of hip hop isnt nearly as bad as folks would have us believe.
this guy is also insanely shortsighted in his assertion of keyboard based production being mostly a financial move; granted, that is a lovely perk that comes along with an original composition. nevermind the new creative avenues that open up- and it has its good and bad just like any other method. are to believe that all sampled beats are good? cause i hear just as much boring, apathetic "mail it in" efforts in that realm as i do the triton drenched ear torture on clear channel radio.
had this cat provided a more compelling argument with better insight and information, i could get with his initial assessment... a it stands i need boots to wade through the bullshit.
highly uninformative, boring, self important nonsense if you ask me
in what ways has the quality of production gone down?
yeah, it's a lot of shit i don't like. matter of fact, it's a lot of shit that gets a pass for being "good" today are equal culprits. for every generic "laffy taffy" beat, there is an equally uninspired and boring soul loop/chop that gets jizzed on because its supposedly "soulful"
then you have creative, cohesive, high-depth-of-vision offerings like game theory.
you have commercial beats by guys like polow the don (say what you want about the awful name or his cartoonishly insane interviews, he makes some great radio beats. )timbaland has resurrected himself again in grand fashion. kanye, just blaze, alchemist all make great beats. el-p is another creative boundaries pusher.... just a few examples. this dude is ignoring a LOT of material withi this rant. the state of hip hop isnt nearly as bad as folks would have us believe.
this guy is also insanely shortsighted in his assertion of keyboard based production being mostly a financial move; granted, that is a lovely perk that comes along with an original composition. nevermind the new creative avenues that open up- and it has its good and bad just like any other method. are to believe that all sampled beats are good? cause i hear just as much boring, apathetic "mail it in" efforts in that realm as i do the triton drenched ear torture on clear channel radio.
had this cat provided a more compelling argument with better insight and information, i could get with his initial assessment... a it stands i need boots to wade through the bullshit.
bigdmakintrax
BeatKreatoR
I have spoke to SA'id a few times when I was really starting my beat mongering websites, you have to remember that he has created the beat tips manual, pretty much geared to old and classic Akai gear like the, s900, s950, mpc60 and such, these tips focus heavily on gear configuration and midi utilizing the s900 and mpc60 in tandem(for more sample time etc) etc using them the way a lot of producers did in the 90's before the overall minimalization, heavy propagation of everyone and their mother being able to create and whip a beat up in 5 minutes LOL you have to think about the method he uses or used, which one might say is primitive now that it's easy to take for granted jumping on the pc and creating a beat in in the virtual where you dont even think of the normal headaches involved in using gear, program assignments, dumping and such...outside of that I sort of see what he is saying but hip hop is relative, this cat's hip hop might not be everyone elses, I see where he is going, I think his idea of production and output might be more along the lines of say havoc, Pete Rock or some NY style state of mind production and techniques ( I hear the couple of lines talking about the south) so yeah his view is probably going to be somewhat narrow of 1. what he considers hip hop and 2. good production, overall this was a grand rambling without a lot of real substance of supporting a good argument and point.
The only way a producer can take the lead is have an emcee that he could break and coach, other than that its like has been said, the emcees today really know what they want to do so they just pick a beat a go with that.
The only way a producer can take the lead is have an emcee that he could break and coach, other than that its like has been said, the emcees today really know what they want to do so they just pick a beat a go with that.