Off Topic This Is Why Most Rappers Today Suck

Kron Zilla · May 7, 2016

I agree. I draw from an artist from time to time but I never let their style dictate my overall word formats. It's the same with my beat making too. I do all sorts of different styles but you'll still know I made it. My authenticity overshines even when I imitate others. Hard lesson for newer artists and producers because of lack of artist development I think. The labels don't even do that anymore. They got lazy... The artists peeped it and got lazy too... Everybody coming up who was having a hard time adjusting to the required skill level just got a pass... This is really the manifestation of the saying "shit rolls downhill".

tieb · Jun 2, 2016

I agree with this post, it's less about art and more about hustle, like "that sound is making money, let's do that"

POLO · Jun 7, 2016

I agree with you but there will always be unique artists such as Kendrick, with his word play, hopsin is pretty damn different
Tyler the creator is pretty out there , Mac Miller went through a pretty real struggle with drugs that he raps about in his own style id say, kid cudi etc there will always be some basic rappers always fitting into the same category but that grants the opportunity for new artists to change things up and stand out !

TriKRaps · Jun 7, 2016

POLO said:
I agree with you but there will always be unique artists such as Kendrick, with his word play, hopsin is pretty damn different
Tyler the creator is pretty out there , Mac Miller went through a pretty real struggle with drugs that he raps about in his own style id say, kid cudi etc there will always be some basic rappers always fitting into the same category but that grants the opportunity for new artists to change things up and stand out !

Thats just a minority of rappers the majority pretty much sucks

wizard · Aug 8, 2017

I LOVE THIS ARTICLE!!! OMG!!

OGBama · Aug 8, 2017

@Fade great article but I want everyone to focus on MCs they can listen to in this era as opposed to why many suck, I remember when the 90s had tons of copycats so today's era is no different. I'm happy you emphasized that MCs should be themselves and about the underground, I don't want nor care to hear any acts in this era whining on wax about how MCs suck just as I don't care to hear a rapper about how they dominate other MCs.

eXACT · Oct 25, 2017

Yeah, everyone is on a bandwagon, but, not in their defense, but record labels have been making it increasingly difficult in the past decade for unique emcee's to get a deal. Most record labels won't take a chance on a rapper who doesn't fit tightly into a demographic that is selling.
This is especially true not that the labels have a million third-rate rappers (I feel like I am giving them too much credit still,) who have a million followers on Soundcloud, and they don't even have any interest in rap, they just want to be famous. And I have heard people say these rappers are unique. I have listened to the Soundcloud rappers and they have no real skills. The worst part is that many of them take pride in shitty "rhymes," production and beats; it's true. Smoke Purp and others like him are endorsing making "...beats and rhymes that are, y'know, lame on purpose. That's cool now."
Honestly, one of the only new(ish) rapppers to come out in a while amidst all the mumble rap, is Joey Badass. He did a dope track with Premiere and seems to be bringing lyricism back.
As far as UMC's, I agree that not everyone should be rapping about street shit if that isn't you or your experiences. I grew up in a small town, but it was hard. Some of the people I know who are now on Battle Axe's sub-label, rap about street shit because thats where we came from. I think that there is a place for the political, philosophical, socially conscientious, street, and fun rap; just make sure its you.

Fade · Oct 25, 2017

One of the big things for me is that I don't really know any of the new rappers. It's partly because there's just so many but also because the talent is not there. There's a few I've heard that are good but like @exact said, some are just trying to be famous and could care less about Rap music. I wonder how many have actually listened (and studied) old school artists.

Ghost Bazz · Sep 14, 2018

Yo... I think ur right, and specifically in regard to the SoundCloud rappers of today. So many copy cats. The availability of recording and digital self-promotional avenues has really lowered the bar as far as quality is concerned. And they all think it’s about hustle... not skill or making meaningful connections. All these cats saturate the various markets for self promoting and add up to a bunch of noise making it difficult for quality artists to b heard. In all fairness, part of the problem is that people tend to jock whatever everyone else is into... so if it looks like someone has a bunch of followers, other people r eager to jump on the bandwagon. When will it end?

eXACT · Sep 21, 2018

Ghost Bazz said:
When will it end?

It will end when people stop buying into the personas that these labels create for these rappers. Everyone wants to be hard, that's people watch Clint Eastwood movies; everyone wants to be rich, that's why there are so any shows on television that showcase people with money (usually in some vain attempt to show you that they aren't unlike you....which is bullshit, of course.) People live vicariously through these people without caring that none of these people are who they claim to be and, even if they were, you still probably wouldn't want their lifestyle. How many people *really want to slang for a living? That shit is *not glamourous, stand on me. There isn't anything fun about having to tweaker-peek out the windows before you leave the house to make sure that you don't get jumped and looted by some dopes laying in wait. It is work and the stress involved is ridiculous unless you're nickel-and-dime-ing it in which case, you won't be rolling in strippers & Bugatis. But, I digress, slightly....
Honestly, I don't see most mainstream rappers going anywhere; they're here to stay. The media outlets have neutered Hip Hop to the point of being accessable to all with rise of Hip Pop like DJ Snake-style and other artists whose music is essentially House music with a Pop hook. I was shocked as all hell when everything by him from "Get Low," to "Magenta Riddim," were labeled/listed as Hip Hop, but that's how they hook people into feeling like they're part of a "cool" culture that most people have no right to claim as they're own. (To clarify, when I say "....no right to claim,"I don't mean racially. I'm talking about people who haven't studied where Hip Hop came from, the struggles it stemmed from, the intrinsic nature of DIY, self-empowerment and individualism and the path that it took to get where it is today. If you don't respect a culture as rich as Hip Hop enough to learn about its origins and its noteworthy contributors, you have no right to profit off of it.)
The masses like to think that they are choosing what they listen to, but, again, it comes back to the labels who pour ridiculous amounts of money into getting their puppet-rappers to positions of power, thus dictating what people feel they should like. Labels wouldn't do that if their formulaic approach to feeding the average consumer easily digestable puff wasn't profitable.
So, to keep from writing a novel, I'll leave it at this. Stop supporting artists that aren't genuine and support artists who are underappreciated. I always put out the word on any, lesser-known artists on any media that I'm on. A lot of people in the USA forget that we know of a lot of underground joints that not many people outside of this country have heard of before. I've talked with people from halfway around the world and turned them on to all sorts of relatively unknown artists. Most of the time people from Europe, Africa, anywhere, are surprised that a lot fo the underground stuff isn't what the masses prefer in the USA.
So, spread the love. Let people all over know when you here some real Hip Hop and help support the people who trying to keep from letting Hip Hop fade into nothing more tham another vapid genre.
A few artists to check out? Dirt Platoon, Dephlow, Awon, Tiff The Gift, Anti-Lilly (basically anyone on Don't Sleep Records.)
Stay up.

OGBama · Sep 21, 2018

@eXACT are you on IG? If so ask "drewsthatdude" a.k.a. producer Andrew Lloyd about Anti-Lilly as Drew worked w/him.

eXACT · Dec 8, 2018

OGBama said:
@eXACT are you on IG? If so ask "drewsthatdude" a.k.a. producer Andrew Lloyd about Anti-Lilly as Drew worked w/him.

Thanks for the heads-up on that one, @OGBama . I'm not on there, but I do know of drewsthatdude from his drum pack. :up2:
(And @Fade? While I'm on here; when are you gonna get some cool emojis? I feel like these are ones that my buddies six yr old girl would have on her phone.

<---- ....see? That winky-face look like someone trying to fart. XD)

Adrian G. · Jan 7, 2019

Good Article.

It's important to note that ~30 years ago, the #1 music in America was Rock. And before that, there was a time in which you pulled up to the club and everyone was pumped to hear the latest Louis Armstrong or Miles Davis. Hip Hop was just a baby in the 80's-90's, everyone was new and unique pretty much. Now everybody loves Hip Hop, it sells, so naturally, the masses of non-talented, non-creative, not-willing-to-put-the-work-in MC's and Producers wanna make the latest slapper so they can make some quick dough and get more followers. It's just a matter of time until EDM takes over. I know people who used to talk crap on raves and now they go to every single one. It all goes in cycles and I think because so many rappers sound the same now, it might mean that Hip-Hop's time as #1 is nearing an end. It just means you as a listener have to work harder to find something fresh, because we all know the radio isn't gonna do that for us.

VigilanteStylez · Apr 13, 2019

The reason they suck in my opinion, as a freelance audio engineer I hear a lot of people making what they think is the shit that is "hot" right now, and in my opinion, without the beat, these artists are ear cancer. Plus the region the artist is from has a profound influence on how they approach the mic. Anyone from the Southern states for the most part always tries to sound like whatever Atlanta is doing. If they choose to mumble on the mic, almost everyone in the SouthEast US does this same shit. When Migos does those stupid ass "skirrrt, skirrt, brrrp, brrrp" adlibs, every wannabe rapper has to do those same adlibs in their own shit.

On the flipside however you go West, to the Southwest states, and Colorado, plus the West Coast states, most cats wanna do that Gangsta G Funk rap especially Hispanic rappers. Texas rappers try to sound like SPM or like the Screwed Up Click, Midwest rappers all have to sound like Eminem especially if they are White rappers, and East Coast rappers still do the Boom Bap sound in NYC, Philly, Boston, DC, etc. However, there is a Trap sound in NYC too. and I know cats in Los Angeles do Trap music too.

The thing that annoys me the most is when people are not creative with their wordplay, and just rhyme the last word in their phrases. I personally think it's better when they do multi-syllabic rhyming schemes, and their delivery needs to be on point. Show a little energy, not sound like they are reading, or that they are bored, or on the flip side showing too much energy on a smooth track or a laid back track. The artist needs to know how to fit into the mood of the song.

In conclusion, a rapper is no different from a good singer, and just because dudes can rhyme, doesn't make them a rapper or an emcee. These cats don't even know what an emcee is supposed to do. He doesn't just rap, he hypes the crowd, he is a charismatic person, that the people want to follow, he gets the crowd moving. If it were just saying rhymes on a mic over a beat, and people would get excited to that, then rapping would be easy, and all the rap music being made would all be bangers, and everyone would be making money off this music. In reality, you gotta have a creative and yet catchy rhyme scheme, you gotta know how to master the art of writing, and performing hooks, you gotta have the voice, and delivery that makes people want to listen, and you gotta have good beat selection, and you have to know how to fit your delivery with the mood of the song. Also, be original, and don't always do what everyone else is doing. Most of all, have fun, people can tell if you are having fun making a song, just like you can tell when someone is smiling over the phone by the way they sound. That energy comes out on the mic.

VigilanteStylez · Apr 13, 2019

OH and let me add one more thing. A major reason why most rappers suck is that they use the same rhyme scheme for every song they do no matter how the beat changes up. Nelly is a good example of this, and I'm sure most of you have worked with an artist who does this same shit. Raps the same way, same flow pattern no matter what kind of beat is playing, and they say that it's their "style" SMFH.

OGBama · Apr 15, 2019

Biggest thing hurting all music not just Hip Hop @VigilanteStylez is everyone wants to control all aspects of music making e.g. the rapper wants to produce, mix, and master, the producer wants to rap, mix, and master, the vocalist who sings wants to do either, both or all 3 of the aforementioned e.g. I miss when people knew what they were great at and stayed w/it as singularity is the true path to mastery.

2infamouz · Feb 26, 2022

VigilanteStylez said:
OH and let me add one more thing. A major reason why most rappers suck is that they use the same rhyme scheme for every song they do no matter how the beat changes up. Nelly is a good example of this, and I'm sure most of you have worked with an artist who does this same shit. Raps the same way, same flow pattern no matter what kind of beat is playing, and they say that it's their "style" SMFH.

Hell 4 a while all of em had the same migos flow. Now the melodic stuff is saturated. We will return to actual rap eventually

Tarboosh Record · Mar 2, 2022

Just to add...

Of course as an older fellow I lean heavily on the side of "Hip Hop was better back then!".... BUT, most of the artists I loved back then are still active and releasing decent music to this day. Do they have the same budgets as back then? of course not, But tech has changed and promo etc Plus there are many younger MCs that are active and have similar standards as those that came before them (Doppelgangaz, Kev Brown, Oddisee, Blu & Exile, to name a few)... So the question isnt so much about how Hip Hop today is 'bad', but more, why arent the true MCs/Producers that are active NOW being supported?

Its prob a mix of marketing and sampling. Of course after several artists suffered the fiasko of being sued for samples and estates taking large chunks of the profit on royalties etc, It deterred major labels to support that style of Hip Hop at one point. Artists like Timbaland, Neptunes etc were making original, dope and good selling mainly non-sampled Hip Hop so they more heavily supported that. And that spawned 100s of copycats and, with the meshing of dance music coming out of UK, led into the Trap/Drill sound of today... And with the easier nature to make those beats (no need to dig etc and the access to the tech (you can make those types of beats on your phone if you wish) it created a massive oversaturation. But I guarantee that if MPCs and studio time was as easy to get back in the 90s we'd have just as many copycats out back then imo. But the effort to make those beats back then was much larger and created a makeshift gatekeeping situation... Only those dedicated and passionate enough made it to the expensive studio time.

Anyways, Ive rambled enough haha and please keep in mind everything i typed above is just stuff ive noticed from my perspective, its not been researched properly hehe

OGBama · Mar 2, 2022

Don't @Tarboosh Record be afraid to research, it's not gonna kill you but make your views stronger not that they aren't

Hip Hop @Fade sucks because no one talks about how there has always been an inherent perception that rap is "easy" and this has been reinforced by way of the "cool pose" male rappers have employed since Hip Hop's genesis. Notice in other genres artists can discuss songcraft? In Hip Hop it's been an undercurrent of "yo me and my mans and 'nem we got high and did whatever." Sad part is today's (c)rappers make the aforementioned more obvious.

Media training falls under artist development and I forget where but I read somewhere that after 1992 it disappeared in "urban" music. One of my inspirations in that regard is Angelo Ellerbee.

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