Lyrics are beyond watered down. That is even if you can understand them Rap videos should have CC features on them.

StressWon said:

Lyrics are beyond watered down. That is even if you can understand them Rap videos should have CC features on them.

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True. Mumble Rap Sucks ass...

hardboiled said:

their music EDM doesn't have a REAL dance culture with SKILLS like breakdancing that they'd done their music in general is plastic.

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Breakdancing is part of hip-hop but not today's hip-hop

hardboiled said:

They work their asses off, but I still think because they aren't musically trained to performance level in some instrument,

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But that could be said for hip hop, as well.

Today's music is just that....Today's music. When we were younger, we were digging "today's music".....Us older heads don't relate to it, it's different. It isn't about how dope your bars are. It's about how turnt up the record is.

Yes a lot of it is terrible and cookie cutter, but you can find those who are out today and are pretty dope (see Astro from NYC). They don't get the love, because they don't do the club records. So they'll only get listens from very few heads who still rock with golden era style music.

I've listened to electronic music for ages, but I've really gotten into it in the past 5 years. Although made almost entirely by synthetic instruments, it felt organic. producers like NGHTMRE is what makes the genre so awesome.

EDM producers have to be a good musician, good DJ and a good engineer...and even sometimes a decent singer (see Kaskade and Calvin Harris)..those guys get very little credit for how much they actually do....Not to mention they travel as much as 300 days per year...... Some DJs are great at mashups (blends in hip-hop terms) and flip tracks live quite often.

The thing that frustrates me most about music today is the divide that people love to create. Back in the day there was no sub genre of rap. it was just rap. Trust me, I know there is a place for it now since raps changed but I just wish there was more of a global acceptance for music in general. I may be speaking too much from an engineers standpoint but I truly believe that if someone is putting themselves out in the public for all to see and hear that's already doing more than most people do, and secondly that I have no reason to be the judge of if his or her music is "good" or not. I can choose to not like the music but it doesn't mean I don't understand it and can't appreciate it for what it is. Music is like religion to me and I have no right to push my beliefs on to other people who have their own beliefs, but I can either choose to learn more about their religious point of view or decide it's not for me. Stop the divide people! I challenge everyone to make a beat or a song in a style they "hate" to put their spin on how they think it should sound! I'm bout to make a Jersey Club remix just to prove a point!! lol
Peace

-Ethan | Wigshop

what bothers me the most is the lyrics. I love making beats but I cant stand tracks with the N word over and over. I liked rap that was about money women and drugs but now it seems pretty basic bitch to me. aside from confessing to crimes, there aint shit this white boy hasn't done. Really don't need to hear some little kids interpretation of it. Rappin about Zannies? like they don't turn you down...way down..."wow this is cool, I have no opinion nor do I feel strongly about anything..wow! so fun" How you gonna be hyping up an anti anxiety medication. Iroic...No? Rapping about codeine like it aint some week ass form of good opiates. Making tracks where the rapper comes out and says the track is trippy?....come on juicy Jay. It used to be when something was trippy, you knew right away. You didn't need someone coming out and telling you. In fact, it kind of makes it sound like the whole track was done by a cop that has never done a real drug ever. New school rap frustrates me to no end. most of the shit don't even rhyme. They're just speaking rhythmically. Then you got these R'N'B tracks where the singer used to say deep romantic shit, now it's all shallow superficial shit that would be offense in any other context...sad its not offensive in this context. what eles frustrates me? Sorry could just think of one.... I love hip-hop...however, is it me or has it mostly just become a tool to keep people thinking only about material gain? possessions? People used to set high rapping goals for them selfs like seeing how long you could spit on a track without pausing for a breath. People used to take pride in having tracks with straight verses and no hook. Rappers are more lazy than ever. Growing up, I saw most people who tried to rap about shit that was fake get the shit kicked out of them now it's like anything goes...steal beats, steal styles, Give as little of a fuck as you can about everything, pretend like there arnt deeper problems out there...Whats the new hottest track going to be about? Lifting weights while smoking blunts and getting head? There you go...that ones free..

Wigshop said:

The thing that frustrates me most about music today is the divide that people love to create. Back in the day there was no sub genre of rap. it was just rap. Trust me, I know there is a place for it now since raps changed but I just wish there was more of a global acceptance for music in general. I may be speaking too much from an engineers standpoint but I truly believe that if someone is putting themselves out in the public for all to see and hear that's already doing more than most people do, and secondly that I have no reason to be the judge of if his or her music is "good" or not. I can choose to not like the music but it doesn't mean I don't understand it and can't appreciate it for what it is. Music is like religion to me and I have no right to push my beliefs on to other people who have their own beliefs, but I can either choose to learn more about their religious point of view or decide it's not for me. Stop the divide people! I challenge everyone to make a beat or a song in a style they "hate" to put their spin on how they think it should sound! I'm bout to make a Jersey Club remix just to prove a point!! lol
Peace

-Ethan | Wigshop

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I agree with you very much.. My Best friend growing up used to always argue that you had to pick a genre and stick with it.. you couldn't "like everything" like most people always said they did. I always disagreed...I never cared about style or looks...That kind of shit just makes music not about music. If it was made in the name of artistic expression then its good enough for me. If it was created mostly to sell "records" than it shouldn't be a song, it should be a little Caesars commercial or something.
I grew up in New England so everyone's answer to the question, what kind of music do you like was always, everything but country. I live in VA now where people don't get beaten up for wearing cowboy hats, boots or being republican and liking country music. I was so disappointed when I realized this that I stopped leaving the house for five years straight...no lie... I even worked at a place where they made up listen to pop country all the time....Sorry if you are nieve enough to like this crap but every song sounds like a truck commercial and the leading democrafic is a five year old. Maybe I'm being bias but never have I ever heard a country song written in the last five years where I didn't think to myself, " when is this phony crap going to step aside and let real music with real opinions and feelings come in. I love death metal and would be more than happy to listen to suffocation or Nile than Luke fucking Brian.... Want to talk about sub Genre's? Metal has the most....grind core, grunge core, Hardcore,sludge metal, doom metal, black metal, technical death metal, ect. Dubstep/electronic music/trap can be the same way...when its a more specialized type of music,more people start writing their interpretation of that style and it begins to mutate...Really the sub genres are just indicators letting the listener know which variation the artist decided to lean towards..... its just convolution... see it as anything deeper and after youre done thumbing through all the sub categories, you will feel very much cheated..

Sucio said:

Today's music is just that....Today's music. When we were younger, we were digging "today's music".....Us older heads don't relate to it, it's different. It isn't about how dope your bars are. It's about how turnt up the record is.

Yes a lot of it is terrible and cookie cutter, but you can find those who are out today and are pretty dope (see Astro from NYC). They don't get the love, because they don't do the club records. So they'll only get listens from very few heads who still rock with golden era style music.

I've listened to electronic music for ages, but I've really gotten into it in the past 5 years. Although made almost entirely by synthetic instruments, it felt organic. producers like NGHTMRE is what makes the genre so awesome.

EDM producers have to be a good musician, good DJ and a good engineer...and even sometimes a decent singer (see Kaskade and Calvin Harris)..those guys get very little credit for how much they actually do....Not to mention they travel as much as 300 days per year...... Some DJs are great at mashups (blends in hip-hop terms) and flip tracks live quite often.

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Great response bruv...I even learned some things.... I think about that age gap perspective all the time and thought about it all through my twenties as well... It all seems so important at that age doesn't it? It is but it's more something in the backround at work if you're lucky..

here's a longer variation of the Halloween beat I did for the battle if anyone is interested... .... Love to hear what you guys think

Free beat producers. Thaks for ruining the game, we could be pricing beats at $1000 by now. F*cking clowns.

What frustrates me is the lack of originality. I get so many submissions where people all sound the same and they are all trying to sound like someone that is already established.

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What frustrates me is the lack of originality. I get so many submissions where people all sound the same and they are all trying to sound like someone that is already established.

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That's Hip Hop today, unfortunately. It's sad though because originality is one of the best ways that we get great music.

For me i really dont have a problem with todays music. I think with rap and hip-hop its in its Hair Metal days if you compare it to rock music. If you look at the time lines its pretty similar the 1960's were what people consider the golden age of rock n roll. then the 70's there was still good stuff but it wasnt the same because of a dance oriented genre Disco. Then you have the over commercialized era of the 80's. Hip hops golden era was the 90's then the 2000's you could feel it going mainstream and that was met with the rise of EDM and now we're in the over commercialized era rappers dressin up like women much like the big hair and eyeliner of the hair-metal days. Now we are just waiting for hip-hops Nirvana and it will come.

But really this is a time in music where you can find what your looking for because someones making it somewhere. unlike anytime before the cost of entry into making music is nothing compared to the million dollar studios before the DAW. Shit i started making music with a $4 app and a tablet lol and really when has popular music ever been good? how many stations were playing Straight out of compton when it came out? you just gotta sift through the noise and find what you dig.

The one thing that frustrates me the most is people saying that Hiphop these days suck. I'd argue that we are in a second golden age.

Ok, so I use to have the mentality of "today's rap sucks" and I will agree that it is a bit much to hear the same drums, kicks, and hats in every song. (which is why I love Kanye so much) But if you're an old head into that boom bap style it still exists, in fact that style of rap has evolved beyond boom bap if you look at Aesop Rock, Run The Jewels, Sage Francis, Murs, and my dude Anderson .Paak, etc. That entire community of Hiphop has progressed the "true" art form beyond what we know it as.

When it comes to mumble rap I think it is insane how popular it is, no one could have seen that coming. It's one of the reason I love Hiphop so much, you get use to what it's doing and then it flips on you. Beyond that you can compare mumble rap to scatting, don't focus on the lyrics, focus on the rhythm and the energy/feeling being presented.

As far as originality? Well...technology has progressed that anyone can spend a few bucks and make music. Most people have a laptop and all they have to do is google is "How To Make Music", download Audacity, find a beat on Youtube with "Whatever Type Beat", either buy a cheap USB mic or even use their laptop mic, and boom. It's how most (if not all) musicians start and it's the ones that stick to it that develop their own sound. I started out using Mixcraft when it was still free, graduated to Sony Acid, then garageband, then Logic...and that's when I started making music XD I digress

If someone tries to make the claim that Hiphop today sucks then they aren't looking very hard or just like to complain, this is coming from someone who use to love to complain. If you are unimpressed with the Top 40 version of Hiphop (and now I have to listen to Binary Star) then I ask you if you have ever been impressed with the Top 40...and I will admit some slip through (Cudi!). But even making a Top 40 song takes talent.